ORAS Doubles Speed Tiers

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Now updated for ORAS
Approved by Arcticblast and Mizuhime
If you rather have a spreadsheet to look at the speed tiers click here for the Doubles OU ones:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13iusTLkC-HQqXFlAx0jlZ18oYmN5QdmFXPHn9eveEcU/edit#gid=0

Speed Tiers
Format: Speed / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature (+Spe, -Spe or Neutral) / EVs / Boost
* - An asterisk next to the nature indicates that the Pokemon has 0 Speed IVs
** - Two asterisks next to the boost indicates that the speed factors in a drop from Icy Wind
Bold - Extremely common and relevant speed tier

Tier 0 (Boost Required)
700 | Latios | 110 | +Spe | 252 | 2
656 | Salamence, Mew | 100 | +Spe | 252 | 2
604 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | 252 | 2
590 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 252 | 2
528 | Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | 112 | 2
518 | Venusaur | 80 | Neutral | 252 | 2
497 | Thundurus-Therian | 101 | +Spe | 252 | 1
492 | Volcarona, Zapdos, Victini, Mega-Charizard-X | 100 | +Spe | 252 | 1
478 | Mega-Swampert, Ludicolo | 70 | Neutral | 252 | 2
465 | Genesect | 99 | +Spe | 192 | 1
464 | Landorus-Therian | 91 | +Spe | 252 | 1
453 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | 252 | 1
452 | Thundurus-Therian | 101 | Neutral | 252 | 1
448 | Volcarona, Salamence, Zapdos, Staraptor | 100 | Neutral | 252 | 1
447 | Rotom-Wash, Rotom-Heat | 86 | +Spe | 252 | 1
444 | Thundurus-Therian | 101 | Neutral | 232 | 1
443 | Hydreigon | 98 | Neutral | 252 | 1

Tier 1
438 | Mega-Aerodactyl, Deoxys-Attack | 150 | +Spe | 252 | 0
421 | Landorus-Therian | 91 | Neutral | 252 | 1
417 | Heatran | 77 | +Spe | 252 | 1
412 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | 252 | 1
412 | Suicune | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 2
406 | Landorus-Therian | 91 | Neutral | 212 | 1
405 | Mega-Lopunny, Mega Manectric | 135 | +Spe | 252 | 0
399 | Mega-Aerodactyl | 150 | Neutral | 252 | 0
396 | Blaziken | 80 | +Spe | 176 | 1
396 | Mega-Swampert | 70 | Neutral | 88 | 2
395 | Deoxys-Attack | 150 | +Spe | 236 | 0
394 | Mega-Gengar | 130 | +Spe | 252 | 0
393 | Politoed | 70 | +Spe | 252 | 1
392 | Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 2
383 | Weavile, Darkrai | 125 | +Spe | 252 | 0
356 | Raikou | 115 | +Spe | 232 | 0
355 | Mega-Lucario | 112 | +Spe | 252 | 0
353 | Thundurus | 111 | +Spe | 252 | 0
351 | Talonflame | 126 | Neutral | 252 | 0
350 | Mega-Diancie, Mega-Metagross, Latios | 110 | +Spe | 252 | 0
346 | Terrakion, Keldeo | 108 | +Spe | 252 | 0
333 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | 252 | 0
331 | Landorus, Thundurus-Therian | 101 | +Spe | 252 | 0
328 | Mega-Kangaskhan, Mega-Charizard-Y, Volcarona, Mega-Gardevoir, Salamence, Mew | +Spe | 252 | 0
326 | Genesect | 99 | +Spe | 252 | 0
302 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | 252 | 0
299 | Mega-Kangaskhan, Mega-Charizard-Y, Volcarona, Mega-Gardevoir, Salamence | Neutral | 252 | 0

Tier 2
295 | Hydreigon | 98 | Neutral | 252 | 0
295 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 252 | 0
284 | Kyurem-Black | 95 | Neutral | 232 | 0
284 | Hoopa-Unbound, Mamoswine | 80 | +Spe | 252 | 0
282 | Kyurem-Black | 95 | Neutral | 224 | 0
264 | Blaziken, Chandelure | 80 | +Spe | 176 | 0
262 | Breloom | 70 | +Spe | 252 | 0
259 | Mamoswine | 80 | Neutral | 252 | 0
239 | Bisharp, Breloom, Mega-Swampert | 70| Neutral | 252 | 0
236 | Jirachi | 100 | Neutral | 0 | 0
226 | Kyurem-Black | 95 | Neutral | 0 | 0
215 | Venusaur | 80 | Neutral | 76 | 0
214 | Ludicolo | 70 | Neutral | 152 | 0
212 | Victini | 100 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
210 | Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 48 | 0
208 | Rotom-Wash, Rotom-Heat | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 0
206 | Cresselia, Suicune | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 0
198 | Mega-Swampert | 70 | Neutral | 88 | 0
196 | Togekiss, Mega-Venusaur | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 0
190 | Heatran | 77 | Neutral | 0 | 0
179 | Rhyperior | 40 | Neutral | 252 | 0
178 | Swampert | 60 | Neutral | 88 | 0

Tier 3
176 | Politoed, Hitmontop | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 0
166 | Gothitelle | 65 | Neutral | 0 | 0
159 | Azumarill, Mega-Mawile | 50 | Neutral | 92 | 0
158 | Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 0 | 0
157 | Cresselia | 85 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
156 | Sylveon | 60 | Neutral | 0 | 0
152 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral | 0 | 0
148 | Chandelure, Hoopa-Unbound | 80 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
143 | Heatran | 77 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
142 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe | 0 | 0
140 | Sylveon | 60 | -Spe | 0 | 0
136 | Mega-Mawile, Sableye | 50 | 0 | 0
126 | Conkeldurr | 45 | Neutral | 0 | 0
121 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral* | 0 | 0
116 | Rhydon, Rhyperior | 40 | Neutral | 0 | 0

Tier 4
112 | Aegislash, Sylveon | 60 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
108 | Scrafty | 58 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
96 | Mega-Abomasnow | 30 | Neutral | 0 | 0
94 | Mega-Mawile | 50 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
85 | Conkeldurr | 45 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
76 | Rhyperior | 40 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
58 | Amoonguss, Mega-Abomasnow, Reuniclus | 30 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
40 | Ferrothorn, Escavalier, Mega-Camerupt | 20 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
 
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LmdQOHwpO08QLGLBvEamOHG-kZwPU_BGQmdhRQY38oM/edit#gid=0

Tier 0
708 | Whimsicott | 116 | +Spe | 216 | 2
706 | Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | 252 | 2
590 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 252 | 2
538 | Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | 252 | 2
494 | Lilligant | 90 | +Spe | 124 | 2
489 | Genesect | 99 | +Spe | 252 | 1
484 | Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | 184 | 2

Tier 1
439 | Genesect | 99 | Neutral | 236 | 1
438 | Mega-Aerodactyl | 150 | +Spe | 228 | 0
433 | Kyurem | 95 | Neutral | 252 | 1
426 | Mamoswine | 80 | +Spe | 252 | 1
399 | Deoxys-Attack | 150 | Neutral | 236 | 0
388 | Mamoswine | 80 | Neutral | 252 | 1
386 | Mega-Swampert | 70 | Neutral | 68 | 2
383 | Darkrai | 125 | +Spe | 252 | 0
363 | Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | 184 | 1
363 | Darkrai | 125 | +Spe | 176 | 0
361 | Raikou, Mega-Houndoom | 115 | +Spe | 252 | 0
355 | Mega-Lucario | 112 | +Spe | 252 | 0
354 | Whimsicott | 116 | +Spe | 216 | 0
353 | Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | 252 | 0
350 | Mega-Latias | 110 | +Spe | 252 | 0
339 | Mega-Pinsir, Mienshao | 105 | +Spe | 252 | 0
330 | Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | 168 | 0
328 | Staraptor, Salamence | 100 | +Spe | 252 | 0
304 | Vivillon | 89 | +Spe | 252 | 0

Tier 2
295 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 252 | 0
289 | Arcanine | 95 | Neutral | 252 | 0
284 | Mamoswine | 80 | +Spe | 252 | 0
282 | Volcarona | 100 | Neutral | 184 | 0
269 | Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | 252 | 0
263 | Meloetta | 90 | Neutral | 188 | 0
263 | Jirachi, Volcarona | 100 | Neutral | 252 | 0
259 | Mamoswine | 80 | Neutral | 252 | 0
247 | Lilligant | 90 | Neutral | 124 | 0
242 | Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | 184 | 0
241 | Arcanine | 95 | Neutral | 60 | 0
241 | Entei | 100 | Neutral | 20 | 0
209 | Mega-Heracross | 75 | Neutral | 92 | 0
193 | Mega-Swampert | 70 | Neutral | 68 | 0

Tier 3
159 | Rotom-Heat | 86 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
150 | Milotic | 81 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
148 | Mega-Altaria | 80 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
121 | Gothitelle | 65 | -Spe* | 0 | 0

Tier 4
112 | Jellicent, Porygon2 | 60 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
94 | Hariyama | 50 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
76 | Rhyperior | 40 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
68 | Escavalier | 20 | -Spe | 0 | 0
58 | Mega-Abomasnow | 30 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
56 | Aromatisse | 29 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
40 | Escavalier | 20 | -Spe* | 0 | 0
 
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Suggestions for DOU Speed tiers:
  • Considering it can set Tailwind, Max Speed+ Latios (700) could be added.
  • XZard at +1, Jolly (492) and Adamant (448). You can just replace Staraptor's mentions with XZard since no one actually uses Staraptor :(.
  • No one uses Jolly 212 Scarf Lando-T so you should remove that.
  • Mention Deoxys Attack along with MAero (438).
  • Add Mega Lucario (355) since it's viable enough to warrant a spot.
  • You typo'd Thundurus (353).
  • You could also remove the Staraptor mentions in the base 100s (328 and 299). You already have a lot in there so you don't need another, especially one whose viability is really shaky.
 
13ulbasaur said:
Great job melo ^_^

However I'm thinking that it would look tidier if you used the | symbol rather than /.

For instance:

656 | Salamence, Mew | 100 | +Spe | 252 | 2
604 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | 252 | 2
598 | Salamence | 100 | Neutral | 252 | 2
590 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 252 | 2

Or is it just me?
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thanks, i'll change it later. I used this for the DUU speed tiers and it looks much better

xzern said:
great job melo

ninetales isnt uu :)
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thanks, i removed the ninetales mention

Memoric said:
Suggestions for DOU Speed tiers:
  • Considering it can set Tailwind, Max Speed+ Latios (700) could be added.
  • XZard at +1, Jolly (492) and Adamant (448). You can just replace Staraptor's mentions with XZard since no one actually uses Staraptor :(.
  • No one uses Jolly 212 Scarf Lando-T so you should remove that.
  • Mention Deoxys Attack along with MAero (438).
  • Add Mega Lucario (355) since it's viable enough to warrant a spot.
  • You typo'd Thundurus (353).
  • You could also remove the Staraptor mentions in the base 100s (328 and 299). You already have a lot in there so you don't need another, especially one whose viability is really shaky.
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thanks, I added these in :]
 
Few errors here

413 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | 252 | 1
P sure everything gets rounded down in mons, so this exca should hit 412, not 413

333 | Garchomp | 103 | +Spe | 252 | 0
Garchomp has base 102 spe, not 103. Stat number is correct however.

598 | Salamence | 100 | Neutral | 252 | 2
TW salamence sees next to no usage, I'd just take this out, imho.

Other than that, looks pretty good. It's nice to finally have one of these.
 
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