70 Base power moves are shit because they have no redeeming qualities, imagine one that hits the entire tier barring 3 types super effectively and had no resists barring 1 poke who is never used. still shit? no. i dont think so. thats "boomburst" in a nutshell damage wise. boomburst hits almost EVERYTHING neutrally. except rock, steel, and ghost types. everything else gets flat out raped by boomburst. as even chansey fears +2 boomburst. +2! chansey can tank +3 scalds off manaphy. a renowned wallbreaker.
most pokemon dont care about belly drum, shift gear, dark void, and a few others either, but its banned/in the process of being banned. that argument is a flimsey one, and you know it.
most special normal types are shit yes...but again, thats not boombursts fault. boomburst MAKES them viable. normal type viability means nothing to what boomburst can do. otherwise again, just because normal types are crap, doesnt mean boomburst is suddenly manageable if a 140 special attacker gains it.
its "side effect" is raw damage with good coverage. normal-is-not-a-bad-offensive-typing. sure it hits nothing super effective, but it has next to NO resists, and 1 immunity. again, its the equivalent of a night slash that hits everything super effective but 2 types neutrally, with 1 immunity. thats NOT a reason for its staying. seriously, if a 300 base power normal move came out but had no side effects would it be balanced too? see what i mean?
again, your judging boomburst by its POKEMON and not the move itself. is shift gear broken on magnezone? is belly drum broken on meloetta? no. are the broken for what they are? yes. is boomburst broken for what it is? a 140 base power spam move, with no reprocussions other then 2 types that resist and 1 type that is immune? yes. that's broken. tell me, if draco meteor had no spc attack drops, would that not be broken too? noo...because draco meteor only hits 1 type super effectively, and once all the bannable dragons are gone, its not like kingdra, kyurem and dragonite would be broken with it or anything.-flawless logic.
Let me rephrase: your
entire premise is broken.
Context matters. Is Boomburst
being in the meta making
this meta unhealthy? Does it break more than a handful of Pokemon? Are those Pokemon broken without Boomburst anyway?
To return to your "Night Slash super effective against most types" example: sure, let's go with that. It can
still be meta-irrelevant/weakly relevant. Are the Pokemon that get Widely Super Effective Night Slash actually... you know... any good at using it? No? Then
it's fine.
You go to Inverse, and Normal types are broken/borderline broken because there aren't
any resists to them and almost all of the toughest Pokemon are weak to their moves/shit to use in general. (Rock and Steel providing the majority of extremely high Defense Pokemon) Compared to Standard, it's the same Pokemon, with the same moves, but where in Standard widespread access to Frustration/Return is pretty irrelevant and their 102 BP nature is only really useful on, basically, some -ate Pokemon, in Inverse it's a strong, widely effective move available to some very hard-hitting Pokemon that nothing can take except, like, Avalugg.
So, let's look at your example with Free Draco Meteor. You're talking "Let's ban all the good Dragons so we can keep in Free Draco Meteor."
I'm talking "There are no good Dragons/there's like three good Dragons and they're broken regardless of whether Free Draco Meteor is in the meta/there's one good Dragon and it has no use for Free Draco Meteor, so banning Free Draco Meteor is really just nerfing some Pokemon that could desperately use the support".
You are insisting on banning Boomburst because it's a powerful move,
ignoring context in the meta. So? Hell, we might as well ban Geomancy from OU, because man, Power Herb Geomancy is so powerful. (Never mind that in OU Smeargle is
it for using it) Oh, and let's ban Extreme Speed from OU, it's such a ridiculous move. (Never mind that it's broken on exactly nothing that actually exists in OU) Hell,
obviously we should ban Boomburst from OU too, because the traits you're describing as making Boomburst broken are still true in OU, obviously.
Wait.
No.
That's stupid.
Either provide arguments for why Boomburst being in STABmons is unhealthy
in STABmons, or quit insisting we should ban it.
It does, in fact,
matter that there's few Specially oriented Normal types and they're mostly pretty bad. (Etc, etc) It
directly means that Boomburst's impact on the meta is surprisingly limited. Yes, it
is an amazing move,
no one is arguing otherwise, but that
isn't relevant to whether we should ban it. "Yeah, and what about when a 140 Special Attack Normal type shows up?" That's the (Hypothetical!) future. You're assuming Gen VII or whatever won't do something unexpected to make that Not A Problem. (You're also assuming our 140 Special Attack Normal type has solid stats in other areas, which isn't necessarily a given.
And you're assuming it's not something kicked to Ubers by default, also completely baselessly) Why are you assuming this? That's not a good basis for making a decision
here and now, for Gen VI.
Conversely, Belly Drum is, hey, available on a large number of Physically powerful Pokemon that then get to combine it with Extreme Speed, including multiple Scrappy Belly Drummers
actually exist to then bypass Sableye/Ghosts in general, etc. It's not just that Belly Drum is an amazing move -it's an amazing move
in a strongly relevant way. If we flipped things around (Boomburst the Physical move, Belly Drum the Special boosting move, or Normal type stat trends being flipped around, or some other form of this idea) then
of course Boomburst would be a lot more relevant to the meta, and Belly Drum a lot
less, possibly to the point that our Bizarre Selves in this alternate universe are clear Belly Drum is lame and Boomburst unequivocally must go, full stop -even though the moves, themselves, are
just as good in the Bizzaroverse.
Also? Quit being a condescending asshole. It's completely inappropriate, it adds nothing to your argument, and in fact it makes it that much harder to take your arguments seriously when you can't make a point without acting like people that disagree with you must be disagreeing with you because they're morons.
lmao. no? psystrike isnt broken. and neither is substitute. what does saying that prove? is fake out broken? is earthquake broken? is precipice broken? they all make diggersby good too. but its not like ANY of those moves are worth banning, since they don't contribute as heavily as shell smash, belly drum, and BOOMBURST does to a pokemons viability. they are like, the cheese and ketchup on a hamburger. or something.
Great job missing my
entire point. You were engaging in specious logic, claiming that something being a
part of the broken package proves that the individual part is broken -except obviously the other parts aren't broken because reasons. That was the point of my comparison.
Or put another way, good job mocking yourself.
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Metagrossite:
Ban it. If Shift Gear was banned, it
might be safe to keep it in, maybe, but with Shift Gear staying in it's just as broken as always.
Altarianite: Well, it's been denied it's extreme combinatorial prowess, leaving it as basically Swords Dance/Dragon Dance Extreme Speed or as an un-boostable/only weakly boostable Boomburst abuser. (It could also fiddle around with mixed Work Up, but that's no mixed Shell Smash) I'm leaning toward
No Ban for the moment, test the waters.
