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SPL 7: UU Discussion Thread

xMarth I just want to say sorry. I know some people treat you like you shouldn't have been drafted and they should've been picked over you. I know some people think your all washed up and old and peaked back in xy. I know people put you at the bottom of the viability rankings for oras uu (where you shouldn't be at all) and then this happens. This game happens... I honestly feel so bad for you dude. This recent game vs teal was honestly just riddled with terrible rng against your favor as I honestly think you outplayed him, but people are going to give you crap for losing in this thread/on ps because that's just what happens on this site as some of the people here are just jealous. I'm sorry if this ends up coming off as if I seem to have anything against teal, because I don't. He's a great uu player and an even better person and deserves his place in spl and he can hate me for this comment, but he really shouldn't have won that match. I've played you multiple times over the past year and a half and know how good of a team builder / battler you are. Nobody deserves the right to say you shouldn't have been in this season of spl especially after that match and call you out multiple times on ps and smogon because that is just wrong and stupid. I just want to apologize on behalf of the people who said you shouldn't be here and thought you were "questionable buy" at the beginning of spl and how they "might need to start scouting for another UUer". Just don't let those people get you down. I hope you play as good as you did that game or even better and the rng goes your way in the future. You're a great player and I know this from experience. Don't let people get you down and know for a fact you are good enough to be in this. Also if anyone comments on how Marth played poorly or messed up this match, I'm sorry to say it, but you're just wrong, he did what he needed to do, but rng was just against him there isn't much else to say. Anyways good luck in future rounds to both of you, teal and marth and I hope things get better for you Marth. Don't give up hope if people crap on you too much, because you CAN show them how good of a player you are. I believe in you.
 
Teal6 vs xMarth was a very sad match to watch. xMarth no doubt should have won, since Teal had nothing to break P2 + Slowking unless Haxorus was able to get a Swords Dance off or something, but with Mamo in the back it wasn't getting more than one kill. The crit on P2 was massive for obvious reasons, but Mamo alive still gave xMarth a reliable way of killing Scep. However, another crit on Mamo put it in KO range from LO when it should have two more hits left. Teal also hit all of his focus blasts, and the one on Cobalion was the nail on the coffin once Slowking revealed no Ice Beam.
 
xMarth played excellently. As someone who was around a few months ago when he was more active, I knew he was an amazing player - did not understand one bit why people counted him out post-draft. Unfortunately for him, and fortunately for me, I received the RNG that I needed in order to win. There is no doubt in my mind that, going forward, he will end up with a very commendable record throughout SPL and will more than prove that it was the correct decision to draft him.

GGs and I hope next time we meet there is less in the way of a good match.
 
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-uu-113156 here is the replay.

I think both teams were good, dodmen played agressivly at the start, predicting Hikari's tenta which was actually fast hpump so krook just died t4 which is really huge. After that a missplay on dodmen's part (trying to put florges to sleep when sableye slept already) just allowed florges to set up easily vs roserade, then a stone edge miss vs 60% Florges meant that dodmen just couldnt do anything else, even if I florges probably lived and killed back. aerodactyl back. Overall It was a good game, just this tentacruel killing krook made everything easier for Hikari, CM Florges also had a great match up once something else is asleep. The teambuilding and the way they played both mattered in this one. I also think that CM Cress was able to do something even if it was unlikely winning, just because it was para'd and because sableye was still alive.
 
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eh i think dodmen had a solid chance if he got bit lucky with rose, if he sludged first instead of sleeping he got a decent hit on ther florges off and if he managed to get the poison earlier on he could have gotten florges into stone edge range. Idt anyone is rly looking at the fact that absolutely nothing on hikaris team stopped aero if florges died, especially since it was offensive tenta.

yes this is a big what if but saying the game was a slaughter seems incredibly unfair
 
Yeah, with Druddi weakened and Sableye asleep, I thought M-Aero was going to do some really good work against Hikari's team. Unfortunately Stone Edge miss and the misplay against Florges prevented that from happening. Still two really cool teams overall. Offensive Tentacruel was a really fun counterstyle for dodmen, who often relies heavily on Krook.
 
Florges wasn't in Adamant Stone Edge Aero range. The miss took away any chance he had of winning, but the Aero wasn't killing Florges before going down.

252+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Florges: 186-219 (51.6 - 60.8%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

http://puu.sh/mqL92/79d887341b.png

Even if you assume wacky PS percentages, it was a roll heavily in my favor.
 
Hikari said:
Florges wasn't in Adamant Stone Edge Aero range. The miss took away any chance he had of winning, but the Aero wasn't killing Florges before going down.

252+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Florges: 186-219 (51.6 - 60.8%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

http://puu.sh/mqL92/79d887341b.png

Even if you assume wacky PS percentages, it was a roll heavily in my favor.
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Yeah, that's why I said that it was both a case of the Stone Edge miss and the misplay where he attempted to sleep your Florges instead of attacking. The extra Sludge Bomb would have meant you would have been at lower health there theoretically - but of course there was nothing stopping you from Synthesising an extra time if that had happened. (And on the other hand, without the Sludge Bomb poison there was no way you were going to be in Edge range no matter what had happened.)
 
week 2 match ups + predictions:
ORAS UU: bugzinator vs Omfuga despite using whimsicott as his aero counter i think fugas still the better player of these 2 and will take it edit: after a convo with fuga and seeing what his team was he wasnt that aero weak, sorry D:
ORAS UU: dodmen vs Calloflochie dont count godmen out just bc of week 1
ORAS UU: Hikari vs kokoloko hikaris just the better oras player imo
ORAS UU: teal6 vs dice thats teal6 the god D:
ORAS UU: xMarth vs Mazar never doubted marths playing ability and thinks hes still gonna come out with a positive record this season
 
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I had shuca phdef emp R0ady

and other things to take it offensively like scarf rotom-h or band krook

though I think it's fair to maybe criticize my team choice that week. I think it was fine but not the best I could do and I appreciate the constructive criticism regardless
 
ORAS UU: bugzinator vs Omfuga - I think fuga is overall more solid, but I wouldn't be surprised if bugzy pulled a win, though. HL of the week imo
ORAS UU: dodmen vs Calloflochie - dod isnt losing twice in a row unless SPL nerves
ORAS UU: Hikari vs kokoloko - Hikari had an impressive showing last week, I think he will pull through again
ORAS UU: teal6 vs dice - Bring some fire resists and no scarf rotom H and u will be golden homie
ORAS UU: xMarth vs Mazar - xMarth seems like the better player
 
bugzi vs fuga - love seeing both of these guys play but I think bugzi's going to have the matchup.
dod vs lochie - cannot predict against friends
hikari vs koko - hikari always brings some rad teams, excited to see what's next.
teal vs dice - I think teal is probably just going to roll over dice but I'd love to be proven wrong.
xmarth vs Mazar - marth is really good at this game.
 
*bugzinator vs Omfuga: Omfuga. Both of them are returning SPL crew after a one-season stint in SPL 6. From the numbers out of last season, Bugz had a more consistent SPL 6 season than Omfuga; however, Omfuga did not disappoint with his strong early game against maZary. Could this be the start of the Season of Omfuga? Maybe. If he doesn't sleep on Kyurem.

dodmen vs calloflochie: dod got caught off guard by some unconventional Pokemon sets, which lost him early game vs. Tentacruel. Regardless, he's made a couple of solid plays and didn't do too bad as debut player. Lochie definitely has experience on his side, but his team was at best questionable. Was it to get into dice's head? We may never know. He made some interesting plays, too. Banking on calloflochie.

*Hikari vs kokoloko: New TL vs. Old TL. I'm leaning mostly on Hikari at the moment. Hikari really went for some unconventional sets in his game against dod, such as his Tenta set and use of Druddigon. This could be pretty bad for kokoloko, whose team struggled against the uncommon AV Slowking against bugz. Both are veterans to the game and played since SPL 3. If kokoloko focuses on his problems from Week 1, we could have a solid match here.

teal6 vs. dice: Here's the thing. Dice has been in SPL longer than teal6 has. However, dice's resume is filled with Ubers (and the seldom NU) games, so he's relatively fresh to SPL for argument's sake. Dice had a solid team and a solid hold of early game and mid game, so he's not something to take lightly. teal6 also had a pretty good game against xMarth (a pretty good game overall), so teal6 and dice will be an interesting game. Leaning more on dice at the moment.

xMarth vs maZary: xMarth. Really don't have much to say here. Based on his performance against teal6, he's a much more solid and consistent player.

Predictions: A lot of the teams were pretty cookie-cutter standard, but I think quite a few people slept on Kyurem. Omfuga vs. maZary showed how devastating Kyurem actually and how both of their teams had not a lot in the way of checking it consistently. Maybe we'll see more Kyurem this week.
 
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It's a bit surprising to see Sceptile of all things sitting at #4 for that. I guess it shows how anti-meta the thing can be in a tier of bulky waters and dragon mons.

The rest of the stuff, I can't say I'm too surprised, since most of the top ten bar Kyurem and Sceptile are found on a lot of balanced and offensive teams.
 
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idk, Kyurem I was actually expecting to see a bit more. It's a devastating tool against balance which is easily the dominant playstyle of these tours. Ice + coverage along with pretty good bulk guarantees it at least one kill with the right prediction, as it can OHKO all of the mons currently in usage stats with the right predictions. Guess we'll have to see the upcoming weeks. I also think that Nidoqueen might make a usage jump once spl advances, as it has similar capabilities + better matchup vs offense. If what I say here is true, I see Bronzong becoming good. As for sceptile usage, couldn't agree more with most talk here. anti-meta + good prepping = wins in spl. Other than that, not too surprised to see Coba, Mamo, Florges, Hydra, etc. in the top 10 even only one week in. Reliable mons are good too.

since all of the UU matches seem to be johning game predicts:

bugzinator vs omfuga - I think fuga has a really straigtforward style of building, not bad at all, but if one of them is easier to counterteam, its fuga. if that doesn't happen then idk should be a great match.

dodmen vs calloflochie - lochie seems to be adapting to the meta well and he's a more experienced spl players in general. not saying dod couldn't win but tour experience and staying cool is probably what will decide it.

hikari vs kokoloko - I cannot possibly predict this matchup in the slightest. Proabably what I'm looking forward to the most this week.

teal vs dice - teal i think is a much better UU player as most of dice's accomplishments in spl lie in ubers (rip). Dice did play well week 1 and teal didn't really in all honesty. both had horrible matchups week 1 but dice had less (pivotal) hax on his side and absolutely no switch in for hydreigon. teal on the other hand played decently but got really lucky in an unwinnable p2 + slowking matchup. I think teal is the overall more consistent UU player, and should have an advantage here.

xmarth vs Mazar - both good players but UU main vs RU main. should be a decent match but marth has the advantage
 
Just a heads up according to xMarth, he and Mazar will be playing soon

EDIT: Link to game http://smogtours.psim.us/battle-uu-114155

Replay: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-uu-114155

Some comments: The big turn that everyone will be talking about is Gyarados subbing on Moltres. Mazar most likely won the game at that point, but switching to Moltres was the worst possible play since it's total fodder for Gyarados. I'm guessing it was mono Fire STAB since risking the Sub and using Toxic is definitely not more ideal than Air Slashing (0 SpA Air Slash breaks Sub). The Bounce miss definitely worked against Mazar but had Draco Meteor not missed on Metagross, the game would have been over when Gyara DDed on Florges turn 25. There also was the possibility of Bounce not killing, as it was most likely a defensive set.

Also I totes called Shuca T-Punch Metagross go me wooo
 
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What's with Marths non-existent luck before the bounce miss though. First the teal game- now turn 18 stone miss on moltress, turn 20 draco miss on metagross etc..
the guy's reaction: it's ok.

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very respectable in those circumstances :pirate:
 
Hax aside, Mazar's team just seemed completely unprepared for Gyarados, and he made it even worse by giving it free turns late-game. xMarth kept his head throughout the game, which is not always easy to do in the face of hax, and brought in a solid win at the end despite some setbacks.

But yeah, surprise surprise, Gyarados is dangerous as hell, especially when you give it free turns. I hope all the other SPL UU players took note and made sure their own teams weren't quite as vulnerable to Gyara before they play this weekend.
 
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