Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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MegaCharizard25 said:
Judging by the level of Rowlet and the stage they're battling on I think it's the first rival battle.

If I'm right and it is the first rival battle then two things come to mind:
1. There are more than one rival or
2. The rival picks the starter yours is strong against
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Considering the starters come with STAB moves, I doubt a rival with your starter's weakness would come until a little later.
 
Ooh, bystanders, that's cool. Adds a little atmosphere to battles. It makes sense that people would flock to see trainers battling, especially in cities, and it'd make evil team battles cooler. Not only are you battling a manic leader (probably...), but his henchmen are standing all around you to watch.

As for the location of the battle, it seems to be the platform in the starting town indeed. The building in the background has a thatched roof with an inset window, which seems consistent with what is presumably the professor's lab. Nice to see them light torches when night falls!

Also, is it just me, or is the new HP bar thicker at one end?
 
Codraroll said:
Ooh, bystanders, that's cool. Adds a little atmosphere to battles. It makes sense that people would flock to see trainers battling, especially in cities, and it'd make evil team battles cooler. Not only are you battling a manic leader (probably...), but his henchmen are standing all around you to watch.

As for the location of the battle, it seems to be the platform in the starting town indeed. The building in the background has a thatched roof with an inset window, which seems consistent with what is presumably the professor's lab. Nice to see them light torches when night falls!

Also, is it just me, or is the new HP bar thicker at one end?
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Well, Codraroll, let's use my INCREDIBLE MS Paint skills to find out!

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Yeah.

Neat visual touch.

Not sure I'm a big fan of it though; it's just a little... plain compared to how past games like Platinum and BW2 had fancy boxes around them.
 
Kurona said:
Considering the starters come with STAB moves, I doubt a rival with your starter's weakness would come until a little later.
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In X and Y the starters had stab moves as well, but only for the player. I believe the rivals' didn't. I bet if we have multiple rivals it'll be similar here.
 
Given what we already know with the 3D improvements, we are likely going to have, at least, a cel-shaded version of XD in that regard, if not with more eye candy.

Kurona said:
Not sure I'm a big fan of it though; it's just a little... plain compared to how past games like Platinum and BW2 had fancy boxes around them.
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Well, plain colours in interfaces are fashionable nowadays :P
 
I can't find the original post, but you guys mentioned the Japanese site leaked the typings of the final evo starters.

pdwinnall elaborated this theory in his video, which I think is very probable.

EDIT: It's theorymon
 
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Cresselia~~ said:
I can't find the original post, but you guys mentioned the Japanese site leaked the typings of the final evo starters.

pdwinnall elaborated this theory in his video, which I think is very probable.
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Noooo what ? :( Litten's end evo is a Fire/Ground Type ? That is so bad... Why did they do this ? Okay now it's all clear Litten's end evo and Rowlet's end evo will be just because there typings NU or RU in the Gen 7 metagame. I had been thinking that Litten would evolve in to a Fire/Dark Type.
 
Abk1997 said:
Noooo what ? :( Litten's end evo is a Fire/Ground Type ? That is so bad... Why did they do this ? Okay now it's all clear Litten's end evo and Rowlet's end evo will be just because there typings NU or RU in the Gen 7 metagame. I had been thinking that Litten would evolve in to a Fire/Dark Type.
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This isn't official, it's just guesswork.

This is why we shouldn't link unofficial videos from random people who have no clue what they're talking about speculating.
 
Abk1997 said:
Noooo what ? :( Litten's end evo is a Fire/Ground Type ? That is so bad... Why did they do this ? Okay now it's all clear Litten's end evo and Rowlet's end evo will be just because there typings NU or RU in the Gen 7 metagame. I had been thinking that Litten would evolve in to a Fire/Dark Type.
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Dark has nothing to do with Flying though. It doesn't form a trio circle with Flying.
But Ground, Flying and Fighting are some sort of a trio circle.
Just like dark, psychic, fighting in Gen 6.
 
Cresselia~~ said:
Dark has nothing to do with Flying though. It doesn't form a trio circle with Flying.
But Ground, Flying and Fighting are some sort of a trio circle.
Just like dark, psychic, fighting in Gen 6.
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Or, you know, there could be no secondary typing trio and they could just go with whatever they want. Like they've done in every single gen aside from 6.
There's absolutely no reason to believe they're going to go for a secondary typing trio like in Gen 6.
Meanwhile, Dark is a very reasonable thing to expect considering Litten's colour scheme, attitude and what flavour we have for it so far.
 
While I think the findings are interesting, I'm open to the idea that the typings could be tied to more Pokémon to be featured in the future, not necessarily starter evolutions. Early route 'mons could be featured next, or totally random ones from later in the dex. If they add these icons now for convenience's sake, might as well add them in order of which Pokémon to be featured, rather than necessarily evolutions.

Besides, if we go for type triangles, it makes more sense for Litten to be a Fire/Rock type than Fire/Ground. Rock hits Flying super-effectively, and is not very effective against Fighting. Rock takes NVE damage from Flying, and super-effective damage from Fighting. Thematically, it makes sense too. Basalt and obsidian are black, volcanic rocks, both of which can be found on Hawaii. As Esmeya pointed out a while back, Litten's face also forms an obscure Kanji character which is used in the word "obsidian", as well as the alchemical symbol for sulfur - both of which hint at volcanic connections.
 
MylittlePlusle said:
Why do some people think there will be Eeveelutions? We only get them every two generations.
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Well Gamefreak's holding patterns are only by our observation, they can (and have) done things that go against the pattern. Like how we didn't get a Pokemon Z in gen 6. There isn't this big Gamefreak checklist that says: Eevee's every two generations, odd generations have more pokemon than even, no dark type gyms ever.

But let's be honest, it's not "people think there will be new eeveelutions," it's "people want more eeveelutions."
 
Just remember I was the first one that called rock fighting flying on these guys.

Obsidian Jaguar, Elephant seal and flying owl :3

Seriously I was the first one to theorize on the myth of the obsidian jaguar.
 
Codraroll said:
While I think the findings are interesting, I'm open to the idea that the typings could be tied to more Pokémon to be featured in the future, not necessarily starter evolutions. Early route 'mons could be featured next, or totally random ones from later in the dex. If they add these icons now for convenience's sake, might as well add them in order of which Pokémon to be featured, rather than necessarily evolutions.

Besides, if we go for type triangles, it makes more sense for Litten to be a Fire/Rock type than Fire/Ground. Rock hits Flying super-effectively, and is not very effective against Fighting. Rock takes NVE damage from Flying, and super-effective damage from Fighting. Thematically, it makes sense too. Basalt and obsidian are black, volcanic rocks, both of which can be found on Hawaii. As Esmeya pointed out a while back, Litten's face also forms an obscure Kanji character which is used in the word "obsidian", as well as the alchemical symbol for sulfur - both of which hint at volcanic connections.
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Let me elborate more.
Litten's symbol is 黑 reversed, which means black.
Obsidian's Japanese name is 黑耀石. which means black glossy stone.
 
Codraroll said:
Besides, if we go for type triangles, it makes more sense for Litten to be a Fire/Rock type than Fire/Ground. Rock hits Flying super-effectively, and is not very effective against Fighting. Rock takes NVE damage from Flying, and super-effective damage from Fighting. Thematically, it makes sense too. Basalt and obsidian are black, volcanic rocks, both of which can be found on Hawaii. As Esmeya pointed out a while back, Litten's face also forms an obscure Kanji character which is used in the word "obsidian", as well as the alchemical symbol for sulfur - both of which hint at volcanic connections.
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I agree that being part Rock would make sense and could be easily tied to volcanoes, but we already got some Pokémon which are already connected to volcanoes. Which are these Pokémon?

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There is also Magcargo, even though it seems more connected to magma per se than volcanoes in general. Anyway, out the three mentioned Pokémon, two of them have the Fire and Ground typings (in the case of Groundon, when it becomes Primal Groundon), so it wouldn't surprise me if Litten's final evolution got a secondary Ground-typing as well, if it were to follow the logic behind Camerupt and Groudon.

Besides, Fire/Ground should benefit the Pokémon more than Fire/Rock. Immunity to Electric/Thunder Wave for a potentially speedy special attacker + only two weaknesses (with Water being the glaring one) + neutrality to Stealth rock is much better than a typing which makes it extremely vulnerable to both Ground and Water and vulnerable to Fighting and Rock/Stealth Rock, even though the resistance to Flying could be useful.

Regardless, another Fire/Rock Pokémon wouldn't hurt, especially if it got a useful ability to cover some of its weaknesses.
 
Darklatias92 said:
I agree that being part Rock would make sense and could be easily tied to volcanoes, but we already got some Pokémon which are already connected to volcanoes. Which are these Pokémon?

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There is also Magcargo, even though it seems more connected to magma per se than volcanoes in general. Anyway, out the three mentioned Pokémon, two of them have the Fire and Ground typings (in the case of Groundon, when it becomes Primal Groundon), so it wouldn't surprise me if Litten's final evolution got a secondary Ground-typing as well, if it were to follow the logic behind Camerupt and Groudon.

Besides, Fire/Ground should benefit the Pokémon more than Fire/Rock. Immunity to Electric/Thunder Wave for a potentially speedy special attacker + only two weaknesses (with Water being the glaring one) + neutrality to Stealth rock is much better than a typing which makes it extremely vulnerable to both Ground and Water and vulnerable to Fighting and Rock/Stealth Rock, even though the resistance to Flying could be useful.

Regardless, another Fire/Rock Pokémon wouldn't hurt, especially if it got a useful ability to cover some of its weaknesses.
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Not everything is about being competitive, ingame you could beat DP with sunny day Shedninja if you where baller enough.

Basically rock ground compliments a trio, and there is actually a lot of mythology tying cats to obsidian and fire.

There is a possibility of it happening just as much as fire ground thanks to that Kanji.
 
The only thing I hate about this theory (I mean other than all of it. Datamining websites leads to more red herrings than hard evidence) is that it ignore's Litten's flavor text about secreting oils and flaming hairballs. That doesn't sound like a very earthy nature.

And I find maintaining a type trio theme of flying beats fighting beats rock beats flying a very loose defense at best. It only has one generation of data to fall on (Gen 6) and five generations of counter-data (Gens 1 to 5).

And Litten's stripes have been compared to everything including the obsidian kanji, a satanic cross, alchemic sulfur, tiger stripes, racing stripes, about everything else other than stripes on a tabby cat with no hidden meaning.

And now you all made me a double hypocrite of defending pokedex text and Gamefreak patterns. >:(

Look, I know we're all excited but I think we all need to chill here. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong but this isn't evidence just "hope."
 
It is hope, let's remember pokedex entries are just flavor that falls into story segregation half if not all of the time.

If I wanted to get wishlisty I could point up that the Camazotz where the bat Gods in the Mayan mythology, one ripped the head of one of the hero twins and delivered to the kings of the underworld, hence one of the twins thing a turtle on his neck to be able to play, and then other incarnation of the Camazotz was a vehicle that sealed a pact with mankind and thought them how to perform sacrifice properly and still offer a beating heart making the bat a God of emissaries, sacrifices and darkness.

Heck that could lead to the whole deal of lunalaa being a moon messenger, but I would be stretching it big time.

Pokémon draws inspiration from everywhere and often relies on fridge logic and rule of cool to get by, it's fine to speculate as long as you don't immediately stretch it beyond the realm of I think this could happen and leap into the I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN GIVE ME MY MEGA EEVEE WITH PROTEAN! realm.

A small curiosity, hyenas in Muslim countries where said to be either the witches rides or a tribe of carnival people with polymorphism, giant magical hyenas on fire is probably one of the coolest things ever and I would love that to happen, I'm happy with mighthyena, but they could explore the concept even further XD
 
Norne said:
Not everything is about being competitive, ingame you could beat DP with sunny day Shedninja if you where baller enough.

Basically rock ground compliments a trio, and there is actually a lot of mythology tying cats to obsidian and fire.

There is a possibility of it happening just as much as fire ground thanks to that Kanji.
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I know that, but it wouldn't be the first time that there is a "broken" circle. Take the Sinnoh starters, for example. Basically we have Torterra which is weak to Infernape's Fire while being also strong against it with its Ground-typing, Infernape which is weak to Empoleon's Water and strong to Empoleon's Steel, and Empoleon which is strong against Infernape's Fire... but has no typings strong against Torterra's types, even though it compensates to that by learning Ice attacks and inflicting neutral damage with its STAB attacks.

I have absolutely nothing against the Fire/Rock theory, and it makes perfect sense, but an eventual Fire/Ground isn't too farfetched either. If all, it could vaguely connect to Ancient Egypt, which used to venerate cats. And if having an Egyptian cat in Hawaii would feel strange, we already got a French snake in the USA and a ninja frog in France.
 
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