Postgame Acid City's Trouble [Day 4/End: City Win! 4/10 Players]

Votecount (1.4):
King_ (2) - Blazade, Da Letter El.
Dullagamur (2) - Jalmont, King_
Acidphoenix (1) - Jumpluff
Blazade (1) - Acidphoenix.

Currently King_ is in danger of lynching at the end of the day by being voted first in a tie.
 
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In the beginning he had posted less content and that style was just harder to read. His first post was both trolly and misleading. After that he started making a few real comments and getting into the swing of things. There a difference between liking a tone and scumreading someone for it.
 
Ok 2tracer means I quit game and do internship debugging that I didn't do yet and I answer q before I do that


Does that mean she trolls there maybe or I'm wrong in guessing she's familiar with this ? I guessed because I saw her post using language that is typical on NOC sites before the game.. and I think she wanted to host a game here.. IDK. Are any of the rules of the Mafia Chat here relevant?

DLE you have half the game in null and then you have jalmont as like Super Light Scum based on tone so you can't push but you make the (correct) observation that in a relaxed day like this it's super ez to look townie.

I think your read is true or else distancing because you could've just sheeped me on other comments I made about jalmont. But I find it remarkable that you made the distinction at all that jalmont seemed scummy compared to your nullreads and yet felt none of them was worth pressing and yet observed that the lack of pressure was holding the game back.

King_ ok sorry sometimes my paragraphs are hard to read. You post in a list structure so. My questions for you!

1. You said we needed a drama queen to generate real discussion. I don't disagree that the lack of pressure has been making things easier for scum (and personally I think scum are afraid to make the first move). However, you said we needed the drama queen to make us discuss 'real things'. What are these 'real things'?
2. Why can't you prod us into discussing real things? What is holding you back from sparking discussion other than lack of an aggressive playstyle?
3. You said you were trying to scumread, have you found anyone particularly towny, particularly scummy, particularly weird, or particularly hard to read?
4. When asked to give scum you gave 3 users. I felt that the reasons you gave for 2 were as random as you said they were, but the idea that DLE was buddying Blazade ('questioning him to make him look town') wasn't random at all and really interesting. Could you expand on that? what happened to that thought and did any opinions change?
5. You asked why cancerous and ullar were being townread by DLE, why did you ask that? If you found it notable you must have had an opinion on them in particular or found it notable in some way, do you remember your thought process on that at all?

AND FOR EVERYONE: If you had a choice between lynching only these two users, Dullagamur and acidphoenix, ignoring the fact that acidphoenix is getting subbed, who would you pick? I'm not saying vote them, I'm saying if they were your only lynch options who looks worse.

I'll post my pick after I see some answers.
Idk if Dullagamur trolls or not I've just simply never seen her play. Could be blocked at a certain place idk.

1. At the beginning we weren't really discussing anything besides the random lynches. The "real things" to me is to find an easy win strategy for town.

2. I'm not good at expressing my thoughts. I'm usually just on Mafia Chat and I'm used to just putting in some of my thoughts here and there.

3. The only people I find particularly townie are Jumpluff and BT because you guys seem to really care about this game with these long ass wallposts.
The people I find weird are Ullar, Canerous, Jalmont, Acidphoenix and Dullagamur. Although I find Ullar weird, he is one of my scumreads alongside Blazade and DLE.

4. It could be DLE trying to make Blazade talk, as in trying to make the other scum active so he doesn't get scumread. But then again, he could've told Blazade in scumchat?
Or it could just be DLE trying to get something out of Blazade if Blazade was one of his scumreads or something. It was just kind of a random read still.

5.I asked why Cancerous and Ullar were being town read because I didn't particularly town read them. I was thinking Cancerous was kind of not caring, which even if that IS his playstyle
it should be changed. Ullar wasn't necessarily a big scumread or townread at all but after seeing him lynch me alongside Blazade just because I said they were my random scum read is interesting
when he didn't really ask me why.
Questions for King_:

How do you feel about Jalmont?

How do you feel about me?

How do you feel about DLE?

How do you feel about Dulla?

Which of the people that said they might lynch you is the most suspicious from your perspective?


1. Jalmont seems weird af, I don't know how to read leaning scum.

2. I'm still trying to figure out your play mostly null read with a bit scum lean.

3. I feel like DLE could contribute more since he is good at expressing his thoughts. Kind of a null read a bit scum lean as well.

4. Dulla should've been talking but IDLE doesn't necessarily mean Scum. null read.

5. From my point of view I'd say Ullar is the most suspicious because he didn't really question me at all about scum reading him then he just lynched me.
 
Think about it, IF I was scum why would I put myself into a position where I can easily be lynched for a minor reason. Also IF I was scum wouldn't I get a little backup by scum?
 
i only have a minute or two so Ill be brief, sry for lack of activity

/unvote King_

this was a memey vote, but honestly i feel you tend to nitpick a bit much, and that disrupts the game flow

i feel like dale is trying to poke around for info more than provoke discussion; will elaborate after my movie

no vote being placed yet tho
 
Think about it, IF I was scum why would I put myself into a position where I can easily be lynched for a minor reason. Also IF I was scum wouldn't I get a little backup by scum?

If_I_Did_It.jpg


First point is bad and scummy to make. It reads like an admission that behaviors he's done he knows are scummy and should be read as scummy, but it's ok because he'd be more careful as mafia. 1, this isn't true and you know it king; you hard claim spy and give no fucks in resistance. you sure as shit know you would do this as either alignment. 2, the acknowledgement is itself scummy, too.

Second point is actually good/true though, there hasn't been much counter opinion on king, but there really hasn't been much lynch pressure either.

Let's change that.

/unvote acidphoenix
/vote king_
 
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First point is bad and scummy to make. It reads like an admission that behaviors he's done he knows are scummy and should be read as scummy, but it's ok because he'd be more careful as mafia. 1, this isn't true and you know it king; you hard claim spy and give no fucks in resistance. you sure as shit know you would do this as either alignment. 2, the acknowledgement is itself scummy, too.

Second point is actually good/true though, there hasn't been much counter opinion on king, but there really hasn't been much lynch pressure either.

Let's change that.

/unvote acidphoenix
/vote king_
Yo
1. You overestimate me my friend.
2. I acknowledged it myself because no one else did and I believe I was on top of the lynch list.
are we playing the same game
Well contribute more than you have since you are very good (imo) at expressing how you feel.
 
I just don't have anything to say right now. I don't know how I feel about most people (well excluding town reads ofc) and that's after actually going through and thoroughly reading.

That said I'm very happy with where my vote is at right now.
 
There are several unanswered questions here. Some of the huge questions really bugging me is "who has the town power and protection role?" "What roles did they get" (more likely to find out the second one tbh). Who is the neutral and what is their role and win conditions.

PS: would also like to know what Mafia roles were disturbed and most importantly who the Mafia are so we can lynch them
 
There are several unanswered questions here. Some of the huge questions really bugging me is "who has the town power and protection role?" "What roles did they get" (more likely to find out the second one tbh). Who is the neutral and what is their role and win conditions.

PS: would also like to know what Mafia roles were disturbed and most importantly who the Mafia are so we can lynch them
1. Who would even claim those.
2. That's what we're trying to find out.

PS : These are the most basic questions ever that everyone is already thinking of.

/vote Dullagamur
 
1. Who would even claim those.
2. That's what we're trying to find out.

PS : These are the most basic questions ever that everyone is already thinking of.

/vote Dullagamur
Just putting it out there. I didn't really expect anyone to claim except maybe the neutral (and then again I was probably just being hopeful).
 
Small update, a goals section has been added and win conditions has been updated in the OP.

Just cosmetically though (colors and such), nothing big.

I will update it to all of your PMs soon too.
 
I'm done with work for the day and have my Olympic fix, so time to buckle down and catch up on the game.

AND FOR EVERYONE: If you had a choice between lynching only these two users, Dullagamur and acidphoenix, ignoring the fact that acidphoenix is getting subbed, who would you pick? I'm not saying vote them, I'm saying if they were your only lynch options who looks worse.

That's like throwing down two people I've seen once in passing before and telling me that I have to shoot someone. It's a bad call to make, because I have really dumb reasons for choosing one over the other. But I'd probably lynch Dullagamur over Acid, on the sole belief that I think that acid would feel more pressure to be active if he was on a scumteam.

**Woah, the inactives showed up! Guess this is mildly irrelevant now, but this is my answer anyways so I'll keep it in here.**

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Those arguing about discussing gamespec...

I always found there to be merit in it. It helps the village make a gameplan and discuss ideas. Discussion is always good because it gets people talking and thinking. It's a great way to start the game and it helps players who aren't use to formats to understand what they have to do in the game.

I find it curious though how the early talk of DLE asking people to claim negative night actions against you died and never came fully into light. I haven't saw anyone posting anything relevant regarding how they were targeted N0. This isn't a cold open NOC, and if someone got targeted by a night role they can deduce from the role list is mafia, it gives us something to play off of besides speculation.

If he didn't bring that up, I dunno if I would have thought about that because I'm too use to playing cold open games without results day 1.

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I'm not sure if I asked this before or if you guys gave your reasonings but jumpluff why the lynch on BT still? Also acidphoenix why are you still lynching Jumpluff or what was your original thought behind it?

You're reading the votes ass backwards. I'm voting for Jumpluff and Jumpluff is voting for acidphoenix. Reasons for these was found in the thread itself. Have you read it? I mean it's a long ass thread to read, but you should be reading it and taking notes down in some fashion.

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I thought about avoiding the King_ thing because it makes me look like I'd bandwagon to you all who are pressuring him. I think DLE is on a great train of thought with his observation and analysis.

I thought of saying something because of my thoughts on King_. In AM2, he played me perfectly with his night actions and what he did in the thread. I was the night killer and he the watcher, and he caught me killing alone and knew I was the killer. He proceeded to set me up in a web because I needed the watcher dead, and if I killed him it would have outed me as mafia. I remember it distinctly because I was really amazed by it because I didnt see it coming and just wrote it off as nonsensical, and going into this game I saw him as a stronger player.

That's why his game play seems off this game. Now, he might have just gotten lucky in the last game and just did random things at the right time to get a perfect result, but I find it highly unlikely. But in this game he seems to be pushing a beginner feel and that he's making weird reads and posts like he doesn't fully get what's going on.

I don't know if he is doing this as a cover to kind of get by? But at the same time he got himself into this mess through this. I don't think he was too pressured before he started doing weird things.

I also don't like him calling me town. I feel like with what Jumpluff noting that I stood up for him, he might be buddying me a bit if he was mafia. The whole "town because he is participating" argument is weak and is simplifying the "Town = active / Scum = Inactive" shit we see every game and I went over that.

Not much to really say about king right now but I thought I'd say that at least.
 
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