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Really didn't want to write this, but it seems like Game Freak isn't as hesitant about adding blatant things that could be taken the wrong way. If you check Plumeria's waist you can see some of her tattoo is hidden beneath her pants. If I estimated correctly, the second hlf of the tattoo reaches her private area. I know this is kind of a lame complaint but for a character in a game for 10 yrs old kids, thats a little risky
You could argue that for a lot of things in pokemon, such as the complexity of all the hidden factors in the game to be taken to account, like IVs and breeding oh and all of the ridiculous things that some NPCs have said over the years (look in the other thread)
 
According to serebii, surge surfer doubles speed in electric terrain. Idk how I feel about that. COuld be cool partner with Tapu koko tho.
 
Raichu is still too squishy. Nice gimmick. Might see fringe play and certainly increase Raichu's viability, I don't see it making waves too big, though.

From a non-competitive point of view? HELL YEAH!
 
Oh come on in Gen 1 there was a pervert that you could talk to.
Not only that, but Wallace's ORAS outfit should pretty much shutdown any complaints of risque clothing in Pokemon.

Also, I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but does anyone think the eyes of the skulls on Team Skull's mask and Guzma's sunglasses look like a sun and crescent moon? It's a pretty cool design choice if it was intentional.
 
Assuming the Pokemon shown in the trailer have uniform IVs, Surfchu is going to be at least as fast as regular Raichu. That's a good sign.

Can't say I expected the vast majority of recent reveals. Gamefreak as always are going above and beyond expectations.
 
Now that the official video came out I will say what I think about the new info:

A-Raichu, It has the right typing, there is already Tapu koko and Deddene with Electric/Fairy and while Raichu is also in the Fairy egg group at the end it isn't that bad we got a Electric/Psychic as it's new, it's only full stoped by itself or ground/dark. It has a good design too if A-Raichu obtains Electric terrain as a move it would round it up even if Tapu koko could fix that issue.

A-Marowak, can't be hit by Normal offensive moves, Fighting or any electric move, it can't be paralized or burnt by usual means...not even trapped with abilities like shadow tag or arena trap since now is a ghost type. It's definetly good potentially to say the least.

Wishiwashi is just awesome If it only needs to be in a certain lv to use School form which I think it's not a bad thing while it does revert to single after more than half of the damage is dealt is bad it something that can be fixed with support so no worries.

Pyukumuku has a good ability and is kind of cute but it doesn't look to be really strong aside from that it's just a sea cucumber after all.

A-Meowth is okay I guess nice type nice ability in technician it should also have a nice movepool like normal meowth but it doesn't show anything that impressive aside of swag in every move.

Wait a second A-meowth is breed by royalty...and because it's a meowth it can attack throwing gold coins with Pay day...This A-meowth is in a whole new level of royalty, the one that slaps people that isn't royalty with money D: that must feel humiliating more than being hit by Gutz using the Dragonslayer from a sea cucumber pokemon :(

Trainers or at least Team skull also use a diferent type of ball other than Pokeballs to send out pokemon to battle it's a nice detail.

Morelull looks cute same typing as Whimsicott but I think it will have a well diferentiated movepool to make it unique I think it uses spore which is nice the abilities are not that amazing but still effect spore is better than illuminate as we know it now.

Team skull like like more as evil dancers than pirates in the official video.

The Team Skull soundtrack is nice too.
 
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Not only that, but Wallace's ORAS outfit should pretty much shutdown any complaints of risque clothing in Pokemon.
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Yeah... sure... Wallace has the most risque outfit
 
It's a shame Alolan Raichu's ability is so amazingly terrible for such a ridiculously cool-sounding name... oh well. I'll hope for decent stat re-allocation, but right now both it's ability and typing have been huge disappointments, especially when this is such a great design and it's first real buff ever. I mean come on, why not electric/fairy or electric/water? Complete joke.

Wishiwashi still looks rly interesting to me. Can't wait to see it's stats.
 
It's a shame Alolan Raichu's ability is so amazingly terrible for such a ridiculously cool-sounding name... oh well. I'll hope for decent stat re-allocation, but right now both it's ability and typing have been huge disappointments, especially when this is such a great design and it's first real buff ever. I mean come on, why not electric/fairy or electric/water? Complete joke.

Wishiwashi still looks rly interesting to me. Can't wait to see it's stats.

It needs psychic power to "surf" on its tail.
 
It's a shame Alolan Raichu's ability is so amazingly terrible for such a ridiculously cool-sounding name... oh well. I'll hope for decent stat re-allocation, but right now both it's ability and typing have been huge disappointments, especially when this is such a great design and it's first real buff ever. I mean come on, why not electric/fairy or electric/water? Complete joke.

Wishiwashi still looks rly interesting to me. Can't wait to see it's stats.
IT'S THE ELECTRIC VERSION OF SWIFT SWIM. HOW IS THAT BAD. THAT IS FREAKING AMAZING.

Also this Raichu is sending in on your precious M-Medicham taking both stabs and chopping him up. Terrak? Don't even bother that man is getting Psychic'd. M-Venusaur? Bye bye my dude. This boy is going to do work.
 
IT'S THE ELECTRIC VERSION OF SWIFT SWIM.

HOW IS THAT BAD. Also this Raichu is sending in on your precious M-Medicham taking both stabs and fucking him up. Terrak? Don't even bother that man is getting Psychic'd. This boy is going to do work.
1. We don't even know if Electric Terrain will be good yet. A single Pokémon - which shares it's main typing with Raichu - has the setter ability, a single Pokémon revealed so far (this Raichu) has an ability that benefits from it, and we don't even know if there'll be an item that extends it. For all we know it could be as shitty as hail.

2. It's useless in-game. Don't tell me you're going to use Electric Terrain in-game, because you're not. You're just not. It's annoying when an ability is so specific to one playstyle that isn't used in-game.

3. The last time Terrakion was relevant was pre-bank XY

4. I really don't give a fuck about competitive

edit: and before I forget the last thing Raichu needs is another speed buff. It's fast as hell enough, it doesn't exactly need an ability to help it.

It needs psychic power to "surf" on its tail.
Well that's stupid.
 
We don't know its stats, it may be slower than a normal Raichu.
And if you don't care about competitive, abilities don't really matter much. :x
I kind of doubt a design like that leads it to having it's speed lowered drastically to give it a ton of Attack/Special Attack, which is what it actually needs.

Just because I don't do competitive doesn't mean I won't be doing multiplayer.
 
Really didn't want to write this, but it seems like Game Freak isn't as hesitant about adding blatant things that could be taken the wrong way. If you check Plumeria's waist you can see some of her tattoo is hidden beneath her pants. If I estimated correctly, the second hlf of the tattoo reaches her private area. I know this is kind of a lame complaint but for a character in a game for 10 yrs old kids, thats a little risky

When it comes to moral debates, I do not think Gamefreak has positioned itself with conservative values and I think that's great.

Let's not forget about Beauty Nova, the Transgender trainer in XY Battle Maison.
 
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When it comes to moral debates, I do not think Gamefreak has positioned itself with conservative values and I think that's great.

Let's not forget about Beauty Nova, the Transgender trainer in XY Battle Maison.
politics should stay the heck out of here please. Pokemon is apolitical af because it reaches everybody and I mean everybody. Can't make money if you only breach to one certain type. Stuff like the Hong Kong controversy doesn't rake in fans, it just sparks controversy in a negative light for the company. It's what makes this game great, though. You meet all kinds of people with all kinds of differences and all meet up for the enjoyment of a game!
 
Well I woke up to a lot...
Base HP stats time for those interested!

Gumshoos: 80 - 96
Wishiwashi: 39 - 55, and this doesn't change with the different formes
Pyukumuku: 85 - 102 (bulky!)
Alolan Raichu: 53 - 69; like the other alolan formes, I highly doubt it changes base HP

I couldn't see the rest.

edit: Update from the english trailer:
Minior: 45 - 60; combined with what we were shown before, that's 55-60
 
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politics should stay the heck out of here please. Pokemon is apolitical af because it reaches everybody and I mean everybody. Can't make money if you only breach to one certain type. Stuff like the Hong Kong controversy doesn't rake in fans, it just sparks controversy in a negative light for the company. It's what makes this game great, though. You meet all kinds of people with all kinds of differences and all meet up for the enjoyment of a game!

No one spoke about politics here, the dichotomy of Liberal/Conservative parties is used on US, not where I live (Brazil)
 
IT'S THE ELECTRIC VERSION OF SWIFT SWIM. HOW IS THAT BAD. THAT IS FREAKING AMAZING.

Also this Raichu is sending in on your precious M-Medicham taking both stabs and chopping him up. Terrak? Don't even bother that man is getting Psychic'd. M-Venusaur? Bye bye my dude. This boy is going to do work.
Lol taking both stabs. I'm pretty sure raichu gets ohko'd by hjk even while resisting.

Assuming alolan raichu doesn't get any defense buffs...
252+ Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 627-738 (240.2 - 282.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

240.2-287%/2 = 119.9 - 141.3%

It ain't even taking an ice punch
252+ Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 242-285 (92.7 - 109.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Yeah, no. Unless they buff raichu's stats, there's no way in hell I see Raichu being good. it's definitely gonna be better, just not as much as your making it out to be.
 
Lol taking both stabs. I'm pretty sure raichu gets ohko'd by hjk even while resisting.

Assuming alolan raichu doesn't get any defense buffs...
252+ Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 627-738 (240.2 - 282.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

240.2-287%/2 = 119.9 - 141.3%

It ain't even taking an ice punch
252+ Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 242-285 (92.7 - 109.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Yeah, no. Unless they buff raichu's stats, there's no way in hell I see Raichu being good. it's definitely gonna be better, just not as much as your making it out to be.

lol

252+ Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 213-252 (115.7 - 136.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Being OHKO'd by Mega Medicham's HJK means absolutely nothing.
 
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