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1) People wouldn't test infinite

2) I haven't seen any LPV in a NOC and we have inherent kill power so I don't have an intuition there.

3) The only time I've ever seen LPVs even in OC games was on wolves, which is one of the ways this game could have been designed to speed up kills and get through all the BPVs

We can prove your role all you like, like you said I was NLing anyway. The fact that a mafia would probably suggest this sooner greatly helps your case but I'm still going to be careful and I'd advise everyone to be similarly careful.
 
There was one death last night. Nomark died. He was the Village Safeguard.

Results going out now so hold off on posting until then. If you don't get a result you succeeded.
 
lynch meowmixxx

dont hammer this punk yet so we can discuss but seriously wtF was that??

he hammers GME when the vote was 4 GME 3 me and if someone else had voted me (or a mayor was on me) the vote would've been tied so nobody dies

like are you kidding me lol

i guess he got our vig for it but still, janky trade to make as mafia
 
lynch shubaka

and since you avoided the question previously VeryPinkPancakes where was it stated that there were mafia goons in this game? If you fail to provide a decent explanation, expect a lynch to come your way. I asked this on page 3/post 62 and you failed to respond then so pay up.
 
The reason you are looking for, as to why I "avoided" your question Haruno, is that you failed the tag during the time where my account stopped watching this thread (see post #99).

That being said I have no idea the scum in this setup is Mafia Goons; in this case, it's more of a referral to the scum in general but I can understand the confusion. I have absolutely no idea if there are goons in this setup.

I do however, know there are VTs; I'm one.

First day of school so I'll tell you my opinions on people, particularly MeowMixxx's weird hammer after school today.
 
vote MeowMiXXX this isn't close to hammer and you've got some explaining to do.

Let's take a look at the GME wagon, because after a number of potentially realistic lynches get proposed this gets the first bandwagon mere hours before deadline that's never a good sign.

Yeti - Really initially a poke vote, and she moved off that. I'll say that splitting attention off of no lynch an hour before DL onto her lost one total vote there but conversely she's never scum with MeowMix because of that and I'm inclined to believe her claim of lynchproof at the very least. Thus far, there hasn't been any obvious scum intent in her actions so barring some kind of conspiracy theory bullshit I'm townreading her.

shubaka - Vote's pretty explainable as defending themselves. Opinions still aren't really explainable either way but shubaka is a spaz so idk. They were the best rand yesterday imo and I hope they were investigated or something but we have bigger to fish to fry.

VPP - Probably the tipping point for the GME bandwagon, he subsequently got attention from now confirmed town Nomark. And it was a bit of a stretch looking at his reasoning to keep his vote on GME the whole day. I was perfectly fine with a push, but he never updated his findings or backed off after I pressed for it. Can you explain this, VPP?

Haruno - A real tipping point in picking GME over shubaka in a tied vote situation when those votes were competing with no lynch. Idk VPP and shub scum together seems like some elaborate theatrics and I'm still not convinced, though I can imagine a few realistic scenarios where either one is scum. However, I think Haruno could easily be scum here manipulating a TvT wagon situation.

That leaves Meowmixxx and their vote which is as opportunistic as it gets.

of {Haruno, MeowMixxx, VPP} Haruno makes sense as a lone scum or partner with meowmix given the coordinated near deadline push. I think if VPP was a partner with meowmix he would have been more helpful with meow's early pushes and him being a partner with haruno also requires some theatrics so if he's scum he's probably lone scum on the wagon imo.

I want to hear form Meowmix, people that haven't contributed in a while like rssp1, and all the idlers.
 
Okay guys. Something important: My BPV was broken last night. And Nomark died, that means 2 people targeted that poor person because BPV exist. That means there are more than one faction or is it so that vigs exist?

Also guys, I highly recommend that we try Street justice this night. But as always, I don't refrain from lynching.

Lynch MeowMiXXX

I will be uploading my reads soon. Also out of my previous statement (above) and Former Hope's statement, I have a bad feeling that he is Vigillante. But guys, please be more active. And if Vigs really exist, please refrain from targeting a random person and choose after thinking a lot.
 
Also people, I really hate this thing - the town dug GME outta like hell.

And people don't start digging into a person if they make a small mistake. Wait for their further posts, if none, get them.
 
Okay VeryPinkPancakes I can believe that. This just makes me positive shubaka is scum due to earlier posts and some external info. Keeping lynch on him. Meowmix is sketch af. Probably scum until he posts an explanation. In class rn will post more later. Also BPV was broken rip. So if anyone was watching me, odds are I got hit by Mafia
 
I assume each individual mafia player can pop a BPV as their role otherwise they'd never be able to out kill the lynch unless schmucks continue to mislynch.

Street justice failed last night btw.
 
ill fully read and maybe make a post when i get back from school but for now lynch shubaka since i still think that reasoning for lynching vpp was bad and i havent seen a good explanation yet
 
I assume each individual mafia player can pop a BPV as their role otherwise they'd never be able to out kill the lynch unless schmucks continue to mislynch.

Street justice failed last night btw.

4 shots and a hook all come from a mafia team? I'd bet on in order of likelihood: neutral parties, town hooker that somehow decided to target Former Hope, someone lying.

It'd make sense that the scum would be able to full kill Nomark, I don't see that happening by coincidence.

rssp1 I expect more on other topics when you get back.

Haruno's BP pop and supposed external info are interesting. Can't really process that, but I can't trust Haruno enough to take him on faith either. Champ doesn't really need to come out and say that as scum either, but I guess anyone could lie about getting their BP popped to appear townier and draw protection.
 
I assume each individual mafia player can pop a BPV as their role otherwise they'd never be able to out kill the lynch unless schmucks continue to mislynch.

Street justice failed last night btw.
How the f do you expect it to pass when we have just so many fkin Vig bcuz there won't be 5+ maf
 
4 shots and a hook all come from a mafia team? I'd bet on in order of likelihood: neutral parties, town hooker that somehow decided to target Former Hope, someone lying.
FH had been useless enough D1 that town rb could have targeted FH assuming he was indeed mafia trying to idle and avoid contributing anything. His worth to the village was certainly mediocre.

My assumption is either the godfather can pierce BPVs or if 2 mafia target 1 person, one shot pops the BPV and the other shot kills. However they can only double target once every so often so they can't kill like 3 people tomorrow.

I suppose it makes it more likely mafia have the/a hooker with Nomark being a sg. Or people are lying about having their BPV popped.

What is this 'external info' Haruno is talking about regarding shubaka? How tf do you get external info in a NOC unless your mafia teammates told you so or you're an info role lol.

I don't like Haruno. I definitely don't like MeowMixxx.

How the f do you expect it to pass when we have just so many fkin Vig bcuz there won't be 5+ maf
jalmont clearly expected it to pass? Why do you think town has so many vigs? GME was a BPV killer, nobody else has claimed to be a vig yet unless you are doing so??

What possible reason do you have to believe FH is vig because he was hooked last night?
 
Timeline of events:

I don't like the lynch on GME and figure I get more utility after showing my unlynchability.

I post at 11:23pm.

Haruno posts at 11:25pm after seeing nobody is going for the shubaka lynch, no lynch is in range of beating a GME lynch, and I have just proposed essentially a no lynch as well.

Haruno said:
rather have this than not having a lynch at all. I'm still pretty positive that shubaka and/or vpp are scum
Haruno then votes GME saying he'd rather someone die - why? In D1 of a NOC with no reason for it? GME hadn't done anything scummy except idle. There was no good reason for town to support a lynch on GME that day and quite possibly lose one of their own.

Haruno is also sure shubaka/vpp are scum yet refuses to try and push for a lynch on either by appealing to everyone around deadline and instead chooses GME for... what reason, exactly? Except that mafia don't want no lynches and a mislynch would be just swell.

Former Hope votes me at 11:34pm.

rssp1 asks if I am 1s or not at 11:37pm.

I reply after confirming with jalmont I didn't misunderstand my role and yolo too hard at 11:39pm (I had pmed him before rssp1 posted):

Yeti said:
no i have IMMORTALITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

rssp1 replies at 11:41 saying he's sticking on shubaka because he... doesn't want to waste my oneshot?

After I had said no, it's not a 1s?

Blazade also votes me at 11:41pm.

I clarify again to rssp1 it's not a 1s lpv at 11:47pm after a vote count reveals it's 4 GME to 3 me.

MeowMixxx puts the nail in GME's coffin at 11:58pm, likely to ensure no lurking town are going to vote me and thus tie the lynch, resulting in no proving my LPV BUT no death.

MeowMixxx is surely mafia for this move. There is no way a villager does this unless they are just really, really bad at NOC. GME was not a 'slam dunk scum' and there was no reason to force a lynch on D1 - it was NOT informative on anyone's connections especially since GME had been relatively inactive.

Haruno's logic that it would incriminate shubaka/vpp even more if GME flipped town is thus faulty. Haruno is a strong candidate for either idiot!town or mafia along with MM for the exact same reason - town does not want to try and force a lynch on D1 when proving someone's role or NL are options. Considering his hood Vegeta play and the terrible Bulma claim in DBZ NOC maybe he just yolos way too hard in NOCs and makes flawed logical connections.

rssp1, now, is an interesting subject. After being told no, it's not a 1s LPV, he responds as if I had said yes, it is, that he won't change his vote to 'waste' it. I then tag him to clarify again, no, it's not a 1s. He never replies. If he was there 20 minutes before deadline where does he go as it's winding down? Does anyone really believe town!rssp1 just up and misreads my response then vanishes after more clarification? To me this feels like a mafia move - he intentionally mistook my clarification as a justification for not helping town by voting me and securing a no lynch/proof of my role - without even having to be voting for GME to look suspicious! I just don't see why after being informed then corrected he keeps his vote on shubaka knowing GME has 1+ more votes than me.

I townread FH and Blazade for being willing to try and prove my LPV as well as try and avoiding the GME mislynch.
 
Yeah just because I personally would have targeted one of my harder scumreads (and I never scumread Former Hope over other inactives anyway) doesn't mean I should project onto others, in many ways a hook onto Former Hope is a safe bet.

Good post by Yeti, and that's another thing rssp1 should answer when he gets back. I don't blame people for being a little sketch around the Yeti lynch especially so close to deadline but sticking with a shubaka vote was surely not the right response in a competing wagon situation. The follow through today seems very one track minded, not very characteristic of him.
 
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