NOC Paranoia Mafia Game Over - Mafia Wins

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Hi I'm back from a legendary 4-16 dota 2 tilt spree featuring classics such as the dual mid and the no english speaking team
Texas mentioning he is consistent with the last game as a defense to his shubaka vote is super bad and asking for other voting strats is also bad dislike him even more
Nothing else points out that much to me rn
Unvote Lynch Texas Cloverleaf
 
Hi I'm back from a legendary 4-16 dota 2 tilt spree featuring classics such as the dual mid and the no english speaking team
Texas mentioning he is consistent with the last game as a defense to his shubaka vote is super bad and asking for other voting strats is also bad dislike him even more
Nothing else points out that much to me rn
Unvote Lynch Texas Cloverleaf
agree with all of this

Texas Cloverleaf please offer some thoughts on other players

has hawkie played mafia before? i don't think noobscum would have the balls to tunnel, even on such low hanging fruit as aubisio
 
lean town:
blazade - protown logic, good activity
twin - agree with his reads, tone fits his meta
hawkie - see above post
former hope - scumhunting feels genuine

hard null:
aubisio - what
dentricos - too much setup spec
pancake - trying to jumpstart end of RVS is pretty good, conspicuous disappearance is not

lean scum:
texas cloverleaf - see above, plus feels less involved than he seemed to be in neighborhood

everyone else needs to post more before i can get a good read on them
 
I'd be cautious about ascribing "clear scum behavior" to me when no one (myself included, the only time I've been mafia is irl so there's not exactly the chance to use a scum chat lol) knows how I'd act if I were mafia. Wrt activity, personal circumstances have changed such that I'm less able to be staring at the thread 24/7 in addition to no longer having that first game anxiety/need to be impactful, I'm more comfortable with watching for concerns and trying to spark things with more purpose, as with when I put additional pressure on shubaka. Moreover my role in the previous noc as a hunter was one where it made sense for me to play hyperactive and die early to give town information, in comparison one where I and apparently every other town is a vanillager it makes less sense to do so as I no longer have the ability to gain specific information for the town in addition to my own role being unprovable barring inspection afaik. Makes more sense to be patient and observant.

I will note that I didn't ask for other voting strategies as you both seem to think, I simply said that I was open to other lines of reasoning as the one that I was using on my current vote was no longer applicable. On a similar note, to twin, I have a bit of a bad habit of addressing the predictable scum argument against a certain post or line of reasoning that can be made against me before that argument is made. In this case pre-addressing comments that could be made about my shub target. I did it a few times in neighborhood too, ironically making me look scummier each time.

Walrein, I'll do specific player reads once I'm on my laptop and can more easily cross reference posts, nvm I'll do it now by posting thoughts as I go through the posts, though as I mentioned before I'm yet to notice anything specifically scummy from people. That being said I am getting strong town reads from twin, he's acting consistently with how he has in the past and his logic against players, myself included, is consistent with how he looks for mafia as a town (whether he's right or not is another matter, but his thought processes are consistent). You I've read as slightly towny from your early game inasfar as driving discussion and seeking to clarify situations in ways that are beneficial for town but I'm wary of the possibility that you're moling for scum, I haven't seen any hard town indicators and you're more than skilled enough to pull off such a play.

Former hope and blazade start as opposing slightly town and slightly scum depending on what you think scum motivations are for wanting or not wanting lynch. Dentricos too on the same side of FH at page 2. Blazade then backs up his arguments with very sound logic, with arguments that one would think would be very counterproductive where he scum, looks more towny (thus suggesting FH/Dent as either slightly scum or null depending on interpretation of reasoning for no lynch preference). Walrein makes a pair of posts supporting the two aforementioned, both falling into my previous read for you. I don't like hawkie's post at all. His attack on aubisio seems less based in fact and more based in gut reads and attempts to create emotional appeal (fake as fuck, shitpost, "joke"). Aubisio's first post is easily interpreted bas rules clarification especially in RVS and coming down hard on that with only "posts are filler" as reasoning looks bad to me. The question there is would the mafia jump onto a hard attack branch this early or is that the play of a town trying to get information from pressure. I'd lean 60-65% scum but wouldn't be surprised if the scum were lurking/playing ambiguous. Twin's lynch on me is consistent with how he applies pressure, beta posting activity and nothing else is slightly scummy. Nothing of note until twin v me and blazade lynch on josh, haruno posting twice and saying nothing except for setup comments is suspicious. FH posts sheeping popular opinion without providing anything new, null post with slightly scum indication. Bunch of posts speculating on how I'd act.

Josh, betathunder, dentricos, haruno, and flyhn have all been super quiet relative to how they normally are, I'd expect one or two with two being the more likely option depending on how many scum there are to come from that group.
Including Rssp1 and pancake as people that haven't posted much that could rise to three.

Twin is my strongest town read, hawkie strongest scum read, the rest are varying levels of slightly scum and slightly town as expanded on before.

Considering that analysis I'd want the lynch either on hawkie or on betathunder. Hawkie would seemingly be the safe lynch but he's also an easy lynch for mafia to push if he is town, and having seen that happen basically every time in the two previous NOCs I'm wary. Betathunder is the other good lynch target imo, his single post had no content and I think the most likely scenario is that he's idling to avoid target while others throw themselves on their swords. Considering that, lynch betathunder

Hope that sufficiently answers your concerns walrein
 
im pretty sure if i was scum and i was stupid enough to draw this much attention to myself by tunneling someone on D1 i'd at least make it someone useful to town who scum would appreciate being removed.

i made my post about Aubisio because his reaction to being called out for voting endgame seemed really off to me, i put pressure on him with my post to get further reactions from Aubisio to solidify my read against him.

I literally don't see how i can be your strongest scum read. Are you trying to defend Aubisio without being obvious by trying to discredit what I've said/paint a picture of me as scum? To me that's a possibility but i don't think it'd be worth it for scum to risk outing themselves to save someone on D1 who isn't much use to them either.
 
Guess now there's enough to start forming a couple reads now.. also not posting as much? It's the school year now, expect that

Dentricos - Nothing but setup spec and other fluff so far
Haruno - Not much yet outside of RVS and misunderstandings/complaints about the setup
Blazade - Just generally looking townie really.
Josh - Next to nothing yet outside of pushing for activity
Hawkie - Jumps on Aubiso, but then gets defensive when suspected.. then again i don't know enough about their playstyle, and some people are just defensive regardless of alignment
shubaka17/rssp1 - shubaka didn't really do much scumhunting, and rssp seems to want to be helpful
Thetwinmasters - Looks normal enough for him, not really indictive of alignment.. though he may be a bit more jumpy than usual? May have to reread previous games
Walrein - Acting generally townie.. nothing else to really say, he's doing a good job leading discussion
Former Hope - Seems genuine to me in their attempts to find scum
Betathunder - Literally nothing more than an "I'm here!"
Aubisio - Shitpost and "Yes, I know I look scummy"
pancake - One post, about wanting shitpost to end .-.
Texas Cloverleaf - Play seems alright to me imo. The reasoning isn't really as antitown as you may think, though I will focus more on this game itself, outside of people's usual meta when applicable

...wow I was wrong. Most of the game haven't produced a thing yet.

Lynch Dentricos post a couple reads
 
I'd be cautious about ascribing "clear scum behavior" to me when no one (myself included, the only time I've been mafia is irl so there's not exactly the chance to use a scum chat lol) knows how I'd act if I were mafia. Wrt activity, personal circumstances have changed such that I'm less able to be staring at the thread 24/7 in addition to no longer having that first game anxiety/need to be impactful, I'm more comfortable with watching for concerns and trying to spark things with more purpose, as with when I put additional pressure on shubaka. Moreover my role in the previous noc as a hunter was one where it made sense for me to play hyperactive and die early to give town information, in comparison one where I and apparently every other town is a vanillager it makes less sense to do so as I no longer have the ability to gain specific information for the town in addition to my own role being unprovable barring inspection afaik. Makes more sense to be patient and observant.

I will note that I didn't ask for other voting strategies as you both seem to think, I simply said that I was open to other lines of reasoning as the one that I was using on my current vote was no longer applicable. On a similar note, to twin, I have a bit of a bad habit of addressing the predictable scum argument against a certain post or line of reasoning that can be made against me before that argument is made. In this case pre-addressing comments that could be made about my shub target. I did it a few times in neighborhood too, ironically making me look scummier each time.

Walrein, I'll do specific player reads once I'm on my laptop and can more easily cross reference posts, nvm I'll do it now by posting thoughts as I go through the posts, though as I mentioned before I'm yet to notice anything specifically scummy from people. That being said I am getting strong town reads from twin, he's acting consistently with how he has in the past and his logic against players, myself included, is consistent with how he looks for mafia as a town (whether he's right or not is another matter, but his thought processes are consistent). You I've read as slightly towny from your early game inasfar as driving discussion and seeking to clarify situations in ways that are beneficial for town but I'm wary of the possibility that you're moling for scum, I haven't seen any hard town indicators and you're more than skilled enough to pull off such a play.

Former hope and blazade start as opposing slightly town and slightly scum depending on what you think scum motivations are for wanting or not wanting lynch. Dentricos too on the same side of FH at page 2. Blazade then backs up his arguments with very sound logic, with arguments that one would think would be very counterproductive where he scum, looks more towny (thus suggesting FH/Dent as either slightly scum or null depending on interpretation of reasoning for no lynch preference). Walrein makes a pair of posts supporting the two aforementioned, both falling into my previous read for you. I don't like hawkie's post at all. His attack on aubisio seems less based in fact and more based in gut reads and attempts to create emotional appeal (fake as fuck, shitpost, "joke"). Aubisio's first post is easily interpreted bas rules clarification especially in RVS and coming down hard on that with only "posts are filler" as reasoning looks bad to me. The question there is would the mafia jump onto a hard attack branch this early or is that the play of a town trying to get information from pressure. I'd lean 60-65% scum but wouldn't be surprised if the scum were lurking/playing ambiguous. Twin's lynch on me is consistent with how he applies pressure, beta posting activity and nothing else is slightly scummy. Nothing of note until twin v me and blazade lynch on josh, haruno posting twice and saying nothing except for setup comments is suspicious. FH posts sheeping popular opinion without providing anything new, null post with slightly scum indication. Bunch of posts speculating on how I'd act.

Josh, betathunder, dentricos, haruno, and flyhn have all been super quiet relative to how they normally are, I'd expect one or two with two being the more likely option depending on how many scum there are to come from that group.
Including Rssp1 and pancake as people that haven't posted much that could rise to three.

Twin is my strongest town read, hawkie strongest scum read, the rest are varying levels of slightly scum and slightly town as expanded on before.

Considering that analysis I'd want the lynch either on hawkie or on betathunder. Hawkie would seemingly be the safe lynch but he's also an easy lynch for mafia to push if he is town, and having seen that happen basically every time in the two previous NOCs I'm wary. Betathunder is the other good lynch target imo, his single post had no content and I think the most likely scenario is that he's idling to avoid target while others throw themselves on their swords. Considering that, lynch betathunder

Hope that sufficiently answers your concerns walrein
This is betathunder s first game of any kind of mafia so idk where you get more quiet than normal

I just have nothing to say. Usually I have a strategy but with all vanilla roles I'm kinda stuck on how were supposed to beat scum, still thinking about it. I can make useless spam posts like aubisio if you guys prefer? I mass tagged to try and generate some discussion so I could get some reads and post with those.

I've also never been townie so generating non fake reads in general is v different rofl
 
It was the one specific line I wanted to correct, lol. I'm not saying betathunder is a bad lynch but this is his first game and he's my friend so I'd feel bad if he got mislynched his first game day 1 for no reason
 
I apologize for my lack of posting, but in this setting I'd rather hold back a bit to make a distinctive read as opposed to jumping the gun and stating something that quite simply isn't true
 
I want more from you fren :}

**Unlynch Aubisio, Lynch Haruno**

Scumlean on Former Hope, Thetwinmasters, and Texas Cloverleaf for pushing on Hawkie for a lynch that made perfect sense. Pushing somebody who has had strange behavior to get them do react is reasonable. I also found aubisio explaining reasoning for uling endgame was a bit scummy combined with the way he was acting for other posts.

Texas made a comment about how I'm being more quiet than last game when scum o.o

That leads me kinda bwing the blazade wallrein are towny mentality. I pushed blazade a bit earlier and got nowhere.

Townread Rssp1-Shubaka17. Shub's contributions and decisions were kinda towny and rssp1 did what town would do joining a game.

Null on Hawkie. Even though I agree with him all hes done so far is post two reads and get defensive.
 
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I have no real reads at the moment but hawkie was convinced aubisios post was scummy. I also read aubisio as slightly scummy because of his posts in general. Hawkie going after him like that is also sketchy though.

We have no investigate roles this game so it's basically just educated guessing lol
 
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