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Pokemon Sun and Moon Demo Datamine + Full Game Leaks Collection (Read the OP)

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I posted this somewhere else, but I'll post it in this thread too. People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the island deities will follow the pattern outlined by Oricorio (Electric/Ghost/Fire/Psychic). While this is tempting, I'd like to propose an alternate theory: each of the island deities corresponds to a terrain move. With Psychic Terrain, there are 4 terrains, 4 islands, and 4 island deities. Tapu Koko's unique Electric Surge ability suggests that the other Tapus (or whatever) might have similar abilities for Grassy Terrain, Misty Terrain and now Psychic Terrain. If you follow from this to looking at the designs, I think it lines up:
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Typing: Electric/Fairy
Ability: Sets Electric Terrain
Reason: Known information

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Typing: Grass/Fairy
Ability: Sets Grassy Terrain
Reason: Fern-like hair, process of elimination (see other two)

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Typing: Psychic/Fairy
Ability: Sets Psychic Terrain
Reason: Headpiece strongly resembles an open book, suggesting knowledge and the mind

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Typing: Water/Fairy OR pure Fairy (unlikely)
Ability: Sets Misty Terrain
Reason: Headpiece resembles shell/swordfish, "mist" is water, already Fairy type
On the other hand, the coloration is eerily similar to Oricorio, so I could buy either one. However, Gamefreak has been known to create Pokemon with color schemes totally unrelated to their type (see: Reshiram and Zekrom, who people couldn't figure out the types for until they were confirmed), so don't bank too heavily on color. I'm torn between which theory I'd prefer to be true, because Fire/Fairy is cool but so are more automatic terrains.
While cool as that is color is not the link the 2 Pokemon share oricorio and tapus both are tied to an island the corios dance the islands specific dance style and the tapus protect the islands and considering that two share typings and we don't know the rest it kind of leans towards they share a type based on the island but hey we won't know until they're shown by game freak
 
So.. has TM Move list been found? Someone mentioned it earlier and I've yet to recieve confirmation on this.
Not sure, but the OP mentions that Surf and Fly have been confirmed to return as TMs. I guess this was shared by the dataminers in the IRC because I cannot find their tweets saying so.
 
"We still don’t know what, exactly, Ultra Beasts are, but Nintendo confirmed to Polygon at a recent event that they can be caught."

Literally in the first paragraph
That is still not confirmation as we don't get proof Nintendo said anything or that they are even telling the truth not saying they are lying but you should not take whats said as 100% confirmed info until game freak says it
 
I posted this somewhere else, but I'll post it in this thread too. People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the island deities will follow the pattern outlined by Oricorio (Electric/Ghost/Fire/Psychic). While this is tempting, I'd like to propose an alternate theory: each of the island deities corresponds to a terrain move. With Psychic Terrain, there are 4 terrains, 4 islands, and 4 island deities. Tapu Koko's unique Electric Surge ability suggests that the other Tapus (or whatever) might have similar abilities for Grassy Terrain, Misty Terrain and now Psychic Terrain. If you follow from this to looking at the designs, I think it lines up:
EQZE0W.png

Typing: Electric/Fairy
Ability: Sets Electric Terrain
Reason: Known information

2L74Dd.png

Typing: Grass/Fairy
Ability: Sets Grassy Terrain
Reason: Fern-like hair, process of elimination (see other two)

68SNJU.png

Typing: Psychic/Fairy
Ability: Sets Psychic Terrain
Reason: Headpiece strongly resembles an open book, suggesting knowledge and the mind

cYhPi2.png

Typing: Water/Fairy OR pure Fairy (unlikely)
Ability: Sets Misty Terrain
Reason: Headpiece resembles shell/swordfish, "mist" is water, already Fairy type
On the other hand, the coloration is eerily similar to Oricorio (although Tapu3 is way more orange than red, so there's that), so I could buy either one. However, Gamefreak has been known to create Pokemon with color schemes totally unrelated to their type (see: Reshiram and Zekrom, who people couldn't figure out the types for until they were confirmed), so don't bank too heavily on color. I'm torn between which theory I'd prefer to be true, because Fire/Fairy is cool but so are more automatic terrains.
I like your theory, but no way is Tapu 3 Psychic/Fairy. Those hand nozzles/tail nozzle, the enormous chest, bicep-flexing pose and the nosering, not to mention the coloration, all clearly suggest that it's some kind of big angry fire type. I'm also extremely skeptical of Tapu2 being grass-type. Its hair is more reminiscent to me of tentacles if anything, but based on the coloration, I would personally guess it's either fairy/psychic or pure fairy.
 
I posted this somewhere else, but I'll post it in this thread too. People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the island deities will follow the pattern outlined by Oricorio (Electric/Ghost/Fire/Psychic). While this is tempting, I'd like to propose an alternate theory: each of the island deities corresponds to a terrain move. With Psychic Terrain, there are 4 terrains, 4 islands, and 4 island deities. Tapu Koko's unique Electric Surge ability suggests that the other Tapus (or whatever) might have similar abilities for Grassy Terrain, Misty Terrain and now Psychic Terrain. If you follow from this to looking at the designs, I think it lines up:
EQZE0W.png

Typing: Electric/Fairy
Ability: Sets Electric Terrain
Reason: Known information

2L74Dd.png

Typing: Grass/Fairy
Ability: Sets Grassy Terrain
Reason: Fern-like hair, process of elimination (see other two)

68SNJU.png

Typing: Psychic/Fairy
Ability: Sets Psychic Terrain
Reason: Headpiece strongly resembles an open book, suggesting knowledge and the mind

cYhPi2.png

Typing: Water/Fairy OR pure Fairy (unlikely)
Ability: Sets Misty Terrain
Reason: Headpiece resembles shell/swordfish, "mist" is water, already Fairy type
On the other hand, the coloration is eerily similar to Oricorio (although Tapu3 is way more orange than red, so there's that), so I could buy either one. However, Gamefreak has been known to create Pokemon with color schemes totally unrelated to their type (see: Reshiram and Zekrom, who people couldn't figure out the types for until they were confirmed), so don't bank too heavily on color. I'm torn between which theory I'd prefer to be true, because Fire/Fairy is cool but so are more automatic terrains.

The Oricorio theory actually has more links than just coloration and Tapu Koko's typing. I'm thinking that, when closed, the shells on each of the GDs are supposed to look like the head of a form of Oricorio, or at least a Tiki-esque re presentation. Look at Tapu Koko's arm shells - when closed, it's a dead ringer for Pom-Pom Oricorio's head. The other three also have protrusions on their shells that could represent beaks, similar to Tapu's claw hands (purple one's 'Marlin horn', the two horns on the top of the red one, and I think there's a bit on the bottom of the pink one). I think the purple one is easiest to imagine closed, and it most likely resembles Sensu Oricorio. From that, I'm pretty sure Pink resembles Pa'u, and Red resembles Baile. Then again, we'll have to wait until we see them closed to confirm anything, but I'd bet good money they're gonna resemble the various Oricorio forms.
 
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Okay, so?

I don't care what Polygon claims, Nintendo has not confirmed that Ultra Beasts can be caught yet. That was my original post. You said "Ultra Beasts are confirmed catchable by Nintendo." That is (at the time of writing this) false.

Discussion over.

There's like, no discussion to begin with. You didn't read the article. I pointed out for you where to read it. Like, what was the discussion again?

If anything, UBs having Shiny forms 90% confirms that they'd be catchable.
 
There's like, no discussion to begin with. You didn't read the article. I pointed out for you where to read it. Like, what was the discussion again?

If anything, UBs having Shiny forms 90% confirms that they'd be catchable.
it at least confirms that Nintendo understands people are able to hack things into being usable, so they would rather avoid having people crash games by trying to load shinies that aren't there. It does not confirm anything other than You Fight Ultra Beasts.
 
it at least confirms that Nintendo understands people are able to hack things into being usable, so they would rather avoid having people crash games by trying to load shinies that aren't there. It does not confirm anything other than You Fight Ultra Beasts.

How about we leave it at you both have valid points and either one of you could be right. No point in keeping this going.
 
it at least confirms that Nintendo understands people are able to hack things into being usable, so they would rather avoid having people crash games by trying to load shinies that aren't there. It does not confirm anything other than You Fight Ultra Beasts.

Kinda true but Ash-Greninja not having a shiny form (or at least not found yet) makes this kinda not true

Actually, does Ash-Greninja have a shiny model?
 
That T-wave nerf is very much appreciated in my books. You could just spam it with anything unless the opponent had a ground or electric type. Maybe a bit controversial, but I think it's fair.
 
Any Dataminers here that could give more insight to the TM data found? Most TM's are simply reused, is there enough new TM's to warrant a big list?
 
Kinda true but Ash-Greninja not having a shiny form (or at least not found yet) makes this kinda not true

Actually, does Ash-Greninja have a shiny model?
A good theory for why no shiny greninja could be that the ability transforms him into default ash greninja regardless of if its shiny if you take into account all a-greninjas have same nature and etc. So game freak probably didn't plan or want to release a shiny and another possibility is that if you do hack shiny greninja it freezes when he transforms
A plausible reason for the lack of shinies that follows the UBs having one is that ash greninja never appears in SuMo and the UBs are mandatory boss fights if you use the make all shiny thing of a game shark it wouldn't matter to greninja sense he's a demo Pokemon who doesn't appear ingame it's flawed logic but it was probably what game freak was thinking
 
While we wait for the TM data, I might as well say something about a Pokemon found earlier in the data mine.

I know a guy that was in his early 20s during the 1980s. You know what early 20s means? Drunken Shenanigans! You know what the 1980s means? Lots of things, but in this case, it meant that lots of people had Garfield Plushies on their window sills. You know what those two things together means? Don't worry, I wouldn't be able to guess if I didn't know ether. What it means is he and some of his friends made a hobby out of getting drunk, sneaking up to the Garfield Plushies, cutting their heads off, and collectting the heads in the back of their trucks. Why did I mention that story? If you want an Alola Persian that doesn't have an oversized Garfield head, which I believe is most people... well, I know a guy that can help. :P

As for a Darwin Evolution explanation of how that Pokemon happened in the first place... err, I'm just going to say that Darwin is shuddering and rolling in his grave. I'm to busy comforting a dead guy to come up with a solid explanation. Lasagna Allergies?
 
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