Personally, I'm just waiting for the plot twist that there are no terrorists and we're all town.
Also, personally I am not as convinced that there's as much need to lynch someone every day this game. If someone dies during the night, we know that there are still scum. So especially later in the game, it would seem that the scum might intentionally not kill to fake their deaths and try to cause town to end the game.
obligatory setup comments
Here's actually a question to everyone to hopefully get discussion going, how many terrorists do you think there are?
obligatory discussion creation from a pro-active townie or a pro-townie scum
Normally I might agree, but not for this game. Really this game seems like it's all about set up speculations to the point of being able to determine when there are no longer any scum. I mean, there's reasons why the rules are written in a way to include the possibility of no scum at all.
still riding the "post setup spec and get read as town" train
Hawkies post does seem a tiny bit bandwagoning, not sure if it's a scummy thing or just him trying to be active though.
Hawkie besides Aubisio, what other reads do you have thus far?
Also, personally I would like to see beta or Flynn post more otherwise I'd be down for lynching one of the more inactive people with this little to go on at this point
this is off to me, "a tiny bit bandwagoning, not sure if it's a scummy thing or just him trying to be active though." doesn't this sound like someone who doesn't want confrontation/to be "sure" about something? Then continues to "contribute" by asking people for reads then starts his whole "let's ignore what people are posting and focus on inactives"
Personally, Hawkie is seeming kind of scummy for me with their devotion to lynching Aubisio.
I'm seeing both Blazade seems to be driving town discussion, reading as townier
Twin is being twin, I've only seen them as town but they're acting like I've seen them in really any other game right now.
Walrein seems like they should be town, but I'm also getting mild DLE vibes from the basic game so eh.
Presents his scum read of me, which imo is an easy lead for scum to pick up on D1 as i made myself out to be retarded, I think he was looking for the "easiest" person to present a scumread on which fits in with his "contributing" thing. Note the 3 townreads he presents on "power players", trying to get them on his side?
How does Hawkie being town make me likely scum? Frankly I still stand by that I find the teaming on Aubisio by Hawkie and dentricos to be scummy since Aubisio's playstyle makes them am easy target. That said...they're playstyle could also confuse someone who hasn't seen them in past games.
i find it funny how he uses "easy target" as reasoning when the exact same could be applied to his read on me
In all fairness, what proof do you have that there are terrorists haruno?
w h a t
the host goes out of their way to mention that possibility, so until the first mafia kill drops, it's idiotic to ignore that possibility
Haruno posts a solid read on former and he replies with these two posts. Literally ignoring confrontation
Lmao, I would be absolutely glad if the mafia didn't kill and we just kept lynching. What I don't want to happen is town assuming because no mafia have died there are none. In other words, until we can confirm a scum exists then we can't say for sure they do. Simple logic.
simple logic that's basically common sense which is basically a filler post
So first you say I might be mafia because I want to lynch someone who is acting suspicious. Now your flipping around and saying I might be scum because I don't want to lynch people (which is not at all accurate). This complete 180 really isn't making you seem towny.
lol what is this, he literally doesn't address haruno's points at all and then tries to "180" and make haruno look like scum? ha
Lol, anyhow
Betathunder nice to see you posting. Could you elaborate more on that? Since otherwise you are on my likely to be lynched today list based on inactivity
this is after i present my read + lynch him, literally ignored "AVOIDING CONFRONTATION" also worth noting he'd had 2 posts in like 4 pages prior to this, im guessing this was him trying to fade back into the background??
That post is oddly aggressive which really doesn't help the fact that quite a bit of town thinks your scummy. Anyhow, I care so much more right now in getting the quieter people to talk than I do about suspected scum trying to lynch me. Also
Betathunder I saw you viewing the thread, please post or be lynched.
like actual what. Just because i was scumread by like 2 people at the time he thought this meant he could literally ignore what me/haruno said and continue trying to get people to post while there was MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION HE COULD CONTRIBUTE TO
I never get to show my scum game here:(
On side note, will respond when I'm home and not using mobile
lol.
So, to start off. I think there are some in this game that are still playing this like a normal mafia game and haven't caught on yet to reading between the lines. This game is all about, much as the title says, paranoia. Between the lack of any PR's, the lack of information about how many times the scum can kill (limited vs unlimited) and hell, the intention inferring that there might not be any scum at all. This game is all about Town v Town and while it might be logical to assume there's a 'normal' amount of killers. It is obvious that the host is trying to get us paranoid, so while there might very well be 3 or so killers, there could easily be 2, 1 or even 0. In fact I could see very easily that this game's intention was to see how paranoid we would be around one another when there were no actual mafia and we all end up losing when we kill a certain number of ourselves.
Even so, there are normal conventions which get thrown out the window, for instance, I really doubt that the terrorists will kill tonight. Not only might they have limited shots, but for them to kill tonight means they prove they exist. However, should they not kill, it means we get to keep our better players such as Twin/Blaze/Walrein.
Anyhow, to that end I feel like Hawkie really either needs to change up their style of be lynched. Right now their style seems very very similar to Twins in the basic game, which was to find a target and aggressively see everything they do as scummy and ignore the evidence that would indicate otherwise. The Abuisio lynch for instance, Hawkie lynched and didn't listen to anyone who stated that Abuisio was just being Abuisio, in fact they tunneled that lynch hard until moving to me. Now I originally scumread Hawkie because of the excessive tunneling on Abuisio, however now with his excessive, aggressive tunneling on me I'm seeing it more as playstyle than any alignment indicator. However, in a game when it's all about paranoia and town v town, Hawkie's current playstyle is really the worst possible thing that town can have. So truly, as much as I'm null reading Hawkie's alignment right now, I think they either need to change their playstyle or be lynched before it can continue.
a filler post with more setup spec and then presenting whatever the fuck you call that on me "I think they either need to change their playstyle or be lynched before it can continue" like actual bye i was trying to get good discussion going and booting people the fuck out their comfort zones and he says i should be lynched while all he's doing is posting setup spec and lynching inactives
To start off, my usual NOC scum read really comes down to odds and seeing how many people I can count as 'probably town'. However, in this game we aren't at a point where someone 'has to be scum' and I am agreeing with a lot of blazades posts in that I could see most people currently posting as town.
However, there's absolutely no way I'd be defending Aubisio as a scum partner. As someone pointed out (I forget who now), mafia don't need to maintain advantage. There's 0 reason why any mafia wouldn't throw another mafia under the bus in this game, all they need to do is live. However, like basically everyone has said to you, Aubisio just really tends to play that way and as thus, their posts were non indicative at that point (to me at least). However you tunneling on that lynch was still scummy and until you started doing the same to me, I thought it was aliegnment indicative for a nooby mafia (at that point in the game I didn't know how much experience you had).
As for not responding, honestly it's mildly selfish. I was on strictly mobile at that point and I truly really really hate making substantial posts through texting and tried to move the discussion away so I could be lazy :(. Though I'm more than happy to answer questions now
As for not responding, honestly it's mildly selfish. I was on strictly mobile at that point and I truly really really hate making substantial posts through texting and tried to move the discussion away so I could be lazy :(. Though I'm more than happy to answer questions now
Oh, by the way. I'd like to reveal that I'm a werewolf hunter PR so there's also a werewolf somewhere in this game, it's probably Texas (for reference, yes this is a joke).
Anyhow, it was scummy because you continued to do it even when it was explained multiple times that it was just their play style....speaking of which.
Aubisio what are your current thoughts on hawkie/me/beta/others?
even though i'd already explained like 100x i was lynching him for pressure(WHICH YOU DONT GIVE UP AFTER 2-3 PEOPLE TELL YOU THEY'RE ACTING NORMAL, THE POINT IS TO KEEP PUSHING UNTIL YOU HAVE A SOLID READ) he still says its scummy, then boom obligatory "contributor" comment with "....speaking of which.
Aubisio what are your current thoughts on hawkie/me/beta/others?"
If people are telling you the logic is flawed, I think most would? Especially in that case when the logic is flawed from the rest of us having more experience with the person. I could see town easily as mafia backing off from that information. All in all, you are still rather neutral for me and I still don't particularly care if you or beta get lynched.
a minute ago i was scummy? still trying to keep everyone happy i see
Since deadline is approaching, unvote, vote beta
While I'm still fine lynching either, I feel there's more chance for beta to be scum than Hawkie, but unless their playstyle changes tomorrow I do think it's in the towns best interest to not have that playstyle present.
yes its in town's best interest to get rid of someone who was actually generating discussion instead of pointlessly pursuing inactives. 10/10 post
Unvote
Still would like more Posts from them but a pancake lynch doesn't bother me
at that point there was a ton of shit happening and that's all he posts. Ok.
Awww, blazade :( will post more when I'm home in about 2 hours
nice rip post, that ":(" really makes me feel like u were genuinely sorry.. for killing him | also note that "will post more when home" thing didnt happen
So just...lmao. Both you and Haruno don't seem to understand how this game works. The question town has to keep asking every new day is, "are there more mafia?". This includes the first day when the host explicitly goes out of their way to say there might not be any scum at all. However, because town is designed to know absolutely nothing about mafia, the more mafia does things the better off we are.
For instance, we now know there's at least one mafia who used one of their potentially limitless (or limited) kills. What that means is that we know for certain that we should lynch someone. But then the question comes up, was there only one? In fact, I would predict that after we get the first mafia (if we do...) then the second one will probably not kill. Which leads to the troubling situation that if we kill the first and there is a second one that doesn't kill, town has no way of knowing if there truly is a second terrorist, or if there was only one terrorist and town screws themselves over by continuing to lynch an all town village.
responds to someone's read on him with setup spec. Nice.
Personally, I'm rather curious why both Walrein and Aubisio stopped posting towards the end of yesterday. Especially it makes me rather wary of Walrein since that was the exact same move DLE pulled in the basic game.
a meaningful comment for once, YAY!
And though I appreciate you defending me, I fully admit that if I were scum I would play mindgames like that. However, I'm fairly sure Blazade was killed not because of me but because he was just the most towny seeming experienced player we had.
this post in itself is a mindgame
I never said I prefer lynching inactives over scum...? This is what I mean about needing to change the playstyle, stop tunneling me and trying to make up reasons why I'm mafia and start opening your mind before this playstyle loses town the game. While I'd prefer lynching mafia members obviously, in the absence of solid reads I'd prefer lynching people who are likely to hurt towns chances of playing.
LOL. All he done D1 was chase inactives while everyone else/he himself had scumreads he didn't pursue? Really sounds like he preferred lynching inactives than scum. And does the whole "ur playstyle is gon make town lose" bullshit again. Acc Zzz
Just as an fyi, I'll be on a road trip starting tonight and ending tomorrow so don't expect a ton of content from me.
people have lives, dont have anything to say about this but it's convenient it happened when heat was going on former
I travel a lot for my job, has its pros and cons.
Also, going back to the question. Why do you think I'm scum Aubisio?
lemme just
That post is oddly aggressive which really doesn't help the fact that quite a bit of town thinks your scummy. Anyhow, I care so much more right now in getting the quieter people to talk than I do about suspected scum trying to lynch me. Also
Betathunder I saw you viewing the thread, please post or be lynched.
wasnt Aubisio suspected scum at this point???????????
Yeah, I have to concur. As much as it probably doesn't help my case, personally I probably would have killed blazade last night even if I had l limited shots
nice mindgames
ok
Fyi, I was suddenly interrupted so panicky hit post before I was ready.
Essentially like it was said blazade was the most towny person so it makes sense they were killed and it doesn't really effect if I'm town one way or another
claw it back now y'all
On, why am I tied for top in the lynch?
Vote texas
Truthfully I think blazade was right in that haruno and I's interaction was tvt, but the fact they haven't changed their lynch and their general avoidance of seeming to play is disturbing.
Texas on the other hand seems quite like scum, weird posts and then turning desperate later in the day.
bandwagons the "power players" in scumreading texas in an effort to save himself
I think twin really describes it well, but the lack of consistency then more recently going hyper defensive and aggressive during the last few hours
basically says "i dont have a read on you texas im just copying twins"
Honestly, I find it weird that Texas A. ISO'd me last when he claimed it was in order of the player list and then B. starts trying to push me as mafia as soon as it was shown that I was tied for in the lead for the lynch. All in all, that screams super scummy and my lynch will stay on them.
basically making up reasons to justify his texas lynch
I'm not sure I'm liking Rssp's move here, but alright.
Texas, Aubisio, Walrein /Haruno.
Why anyone would lynch me at this point in the game is beyond me considering there are people far scummier than I.
he never seems to be "sure" when it comes to influential players, does he? and that "why anyone would lynch me" just makes me want to puke all over this thread
I find the Josh kill ...interesting. Though from it I'd infer two things
1. The scum have probably no need to worry about the number of kills
2. Either between Twin/Walrein one of them is scum, or the scum are trying to get us to lynch them.
setup spec and suspecting 2 influential players but not pushing either one of them, out of fear?? x
Actually, Josh was trying to lynch Walrein all of yesterday so my line of thought is that either Walrein is scum and killed Josh (less likely) or more likely, scum are trying to frame walrein as I don't see them killing off their accuser. Then again, it could be some tricky double play all in all, for me personally Walrein seems more towny from this.
Aubisio from the list
Haruno (4): Walrein, Texas Cloverleaf, rssp1, Dentricos
Can you put them in order of who you think is most scummy to least scummy?
some common sense analysis and a "contributor" post Zzz
lol, how am I as suspicious as Texas (RIP always being read as scum), also, tbh I don't think lynching Hawkie/me would reveal anything about either of us as I do personally feel Hawkie is town, the tunneling is not townlike, but apparently it's consistent with past plays.
townreads me when he realises im not going to give up on lynching him, and throws in a "i shouldn't be lynched either", SELF PRESERVATION MUCH?? he basically outlined his playstyle(if he's scum) earlier: "However, there's absolutely no way I'd be defending Aubisio as a scum partner. As someone pointed out (I forget who now), mafia don't need to maintain advantage. There's 0 reason why any mafia wouldn't throw another mafia under the bus in this game, all they need to do is live. However, like basically everyone has said to you, Aubisio just really tends to play that way and as thus, their posts were non indicative at that point (to me at least). However you tunneling on that lynch was still scummy and until you started doing the same to me, I thought it was aliegnment indicative for a nooby mafia (at that point in the game I didn't know how much experience you had)."
Yeah.... I do have to say a Texas/dentricos scum team seems likely. But between then Texas seems more scummy, also if Texas flips town somehow I don't see it likely that Dent is also scum...
That said, rssp1 has entered into a scum read for me based on their behavior EOD yesterday, I dont feel strong enough to vote on quite yet, but keeping it in mind
agrees with influential people and flops around an rssp1 read but does nothing about it
I suppose, although I would like to not hammer early so if it gets close to 6 I plan to unvote. Lynch Texas
nice "pro-townie" post
Why would I be the preferred lynch over someone like Aubisio (who would be my target for lynching tomorrow if Texas flips town for some reason)? Your immediate push towards lynching me (something Texas was trying to do yesterday) is really sort of scummy when there are far scummier people out there.
I also heavily dispute I had a bad D1, I mean, Blazade read me as town from that day and the only person who was really on me was hardcore tunneling. Otherwise, people just tend to be terrible at reading me, I've been thought of as scummy for basically every NOC yet I've always been town.
completely disregards the reasoning for the read on him and just says "ignore me there's scummier people out there"
Oh yeah, I was going to explain the Walrein being scummy. For me, Walrein is scummy in part just because they are acting a ton like DLE was in the basic game (where DLE was scum). Essentially, DLE acted towny by leading discussions, but otherwise would vanish for large parts of the day, especially towards the end of the day. Walrein is claiming to be busy in rl which might be true, but the fact it's following the same cycle as DLE just doesn't bode well I feel.
That said, I also think last nights kill makes it seem like Walrein is being framed which in turn, makes them seem more town to me.
unless Walrein/DLE are the same person this is irrelevant?? then townreads him, lol.
I mean, as you can see I literally stated that it could be a double play. Other than that though, Walrein has suggested some fairly pro town logic, which again could be double plays. However there's a point when everything becomes way to flippity and ultimately, while Walrein could be doing some complex scum game, I draw the line in that it's probably not what's going on here. If things keep changing around, I'll change my views as Walrein is no where near confirmed town for me, I just find it easier to assume it's not a double play going on than to assume everything they do is.
I mean, I'd look scummier in the vote because...I'm actually posting and playing? That's not really that surprising is it...but it's also terrible logic.
Also I don't know where you are coming from in that hammer reasoning, but let me clarify. I'm voting for Texas mostly because there's no reason not to. However if people start bandwagoning I'm going to unlynch so that we can use the full day we have instead of cutting it short. However I still intend to be on the lynch for Texas today bar anything happens to change my vote to someone else.
As for the notion I'm voting for someone who lynched haruno, that's completely inaccurate. Aubisio made one of their rare posts stating that they thought someone on that lynch was scum. Given their...suspicious playstyle I pushed on that point by asking them (and only them) who they thought specifically was scummy. The fact more people answered than just Aubisio is completely on them.
This part really makes you seem scummy as that is 1000% baseless. I had my lynch on Texas yesterday and kept with it even when it seemed like it would come down to the 50/50 and simultaneously stated I had town read Haruno based on our earlier interaction. Then the other logic is based on misreadings. Otherwise there's literally 0 reason or evidence that I'd do something like that.
Again, this makes you seem scummier in my eyes. Considering all that Texas has done to seem scummy... for instance, they just claimed they think the Josh kill was a ruse to get Walrein lynched. Yet at the start of the day:
They were the first person to suggest lynching Walrein today. While it might be they thought of it after that post, it's possible. But it seems too much like they came up with that ruse and tried to make it work, turns out it didn't and then backed up and claimed they thought was a ruse after all. So the fact you'd want to lynch me over Texas, it reeks of scumminess.
as always instead of addressing a scumread head on all he does is try to make the other person look stupid/look like their read is terrible, this is a mafia tactic, not a town one. Also its quite weird how this is the first read he's replied to PROPERLY and it happens to come from an "influential player", trying to impress? Why does he react in this way to someone with more experience and then totally ignores others?
Because he's scared they'll see right through him.
Note, if someone now tries to lynch me to tie the vote and save Texas than the are 100% scum.
lol, wasnt that when he was lynching to save himself. ha
Anyways, Hawkie you've shown enormous confirmation bias in your reads, evident by the fact that you're making up things to lynch me, which for me still counts as hard tunneling. I still think Hawkie is town but this hard tunnel of his quite possible will lose town the game.
instead of acknowledging the fact my read on him has been building up since the start of D1 as usual he just "ur tunneling so ur read doesnt matter bye" and tries to emotionally appeal to the rest of town to try and get them not to listen to me.
TL;D-fuckin-R
Former Hope has done nothing this game but mindlessly bandwagon off the reads of strong players while posting useless common sense setup spec and spending most of the first two days trying to push people who wouldn't reply to him. Every time he's suspected he comes back makes one post then fades into the background. He's responded to reads with basis on him with setup spec instead of addressing what the person has said. The only time he's made a half decent attempt at tackling a read from someone was Asek and this is because Asek is a strong player. I just spent like an hour doing this so if u ppl dont lynch him im going to kill myself
Have a nice day!
