NOC Paranoia Mafia Game Over - Mafia Wins

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Okay, this is a deviation from my plans yesterday, but I feel rather confident at this point so lynch Walrein


It's really hard lynch, when reading their posts they do come off as towny. But between some of the logic involved and gut feelings, walrein seems like the best choice.
1. They've been disappearing for large parts of the day, for example, last day they only appeared for EOD to seriously drive the Dent lynch. Now that could be just them being busy, but like I've been saying, that feels way to much like DLE in basic.
2. The admission from the host that the mafia were carefully chosen
3. The strangeness of the Josh kill. Considering there was no kill last night, we can only infer that there are limited kills since the mafia have no obvious reason not to keep killing every night if they have the chance. That said, it means they used up one of their limited kills to kill someone who was far from universal town. I was saying yesterday that if I were scum I probably would have killed Hawkie, over the last hours I've been thinking on it, at this point in the game it would make sense to kill someone who was pushing for your lynch, because it would probably be worth the risk unless someone brought attention to it.
4. The constant downplaying of being mafia, now this was also something DLE did some of. But between lines of "I can't be compared to DLE" and "You would hate to be mafia with me", the constant trend has been just a heavy downplaying of being scum.
5. They are experienced, so despite their posts coming off as towny. That is something I feel they could do if they wanted. But when we get into the logic of their posts, then it starts to seem more clear. For instance, they suggested if we killed a mafia and then there were no kills we just not lynch. That argument honestly seemed towny at first, but upon thinking about it, that's just a null suggestion that would either lead to us ending the game or just stalling, ultimately accomplishing nothing.
 
To clarify 3 a bit. Initially I thought it was a ruse, but on thinking about it more. It makes sense as an actual mafia ploy that early in the game. Since town was so quick to move on from the kill. Walrein even tries to speed up that process by
Walrein said:
i legitimately feel like discussing the josh kill right now isn't going to get us anywhere, it was such an odd kill that all of the potential reasons are just pure WIFOM
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When clearly there was some reason why Josh was specifically targeted by limited number of kills.
 
i realize that there's definitely a reason behind the josh kill

that reason, from my pov, is 100% to frame me

from anyone else's pov that reason is EITHER to frame me or performed by me

and it's impossible to guess which it is

so that;s why i said discussing it would be pointless - you'd all just be running in circles

point 1 is because i'm busy as hell

i can't really argue with point 2 except to point out that snype could have said this with the intent on making sure none of the big names were given a free pass - in the past, people being afraid to lynch experienced players has been an issue

4 is because i legitimately am terrible at being mafia lmao

5 is neat that you respect me enough to be this wary of me, but of all the things to call me out for you call me out for that? because at the time it was the optimal play - force the mafia to show their hand, while buying us plenty of time to discuss things. i would argue it's no longer the optimal play (we now know there's at least one mafia and i doubt we have the numbers to even try stalling anymore) but it was at the time

going back to 3:
at this point in the game it would make sense to kill someone who was pushing for your lynch, because it would probably be worth the risk unless someone brought attention to it
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uhh... of COURSE someone's going to bring attention to it. josh was pushing me so hard that i was going to be under immediate fire the instant he died. scum!me doesn't want that extra attention under any circumstances

you seem to think i'm a much ballsier scum player than i actually am
 
lynch rssp1

discuss this while i compose a wallpost with the case against him

if the case winds up being weaker than i thought it would be, i'll unvote
 
For real though, I'm kind of shocked that nobody is scum reading twin. After my iso here I was surprised by how shallow his posts were and he's been doing a lot of things like disappearing for random stretches (i.e. eod yesterday) that other people are being pressured for. I don't necessarily know if I believe he's scum but if the assumption is that Walrein is town it makes him look a lot more suspicious.
 
will post more tonight
fh's argument makes him look scummy esp given that he's saying the josh kill incriminates walrein while the blazade kill doesnt incriminate him (I believe those two were around the same thing)?
when I was defending twin yesterday I was thinking his posts werent as good as I remembered (just like yours actually when I checked near eod2) but I didnt think that it was enough to paint him as scum. I'd much prefer lynching FH/Aubisio today.
 
Former Hope (2): Dentricos, Josh
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Walrein, thetwinmasters
pancake (3): rssp1, Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Blazade (1): pancake
Josh (1): Haruno
Not voting: OM Room/Beta, Aubisio, Blazade(voted Beta), FH(voted Beta), Flyhn(Voted Haruno)


Haruno (4): Walrein, Texas Cloverleaf, rssp1, Dentricos
Texas Cloverleaf (3): thetwinmasters, Former Hope, Haruno
Former Hope (1): Hawkie
Aubisio (1): OM Room
Walrein (1): Josh
Not voting (2): Aubisio, Flyhn

Dentricos (4): rssp1, Walrein, Former Hope, Asek
Texas Cloverleaf (2): thetwinmasters, Aubisio
Former Hope (2): Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Aubisio (1): Dentricos
Not voting (1): OM Room
 
yeah my intuition of who i think is scum is really bad
also twin do you seriously still think texas is scum because his defenses (ignoring the insults) have been pretty townie imo
 
and he wouldn't be stupid enough to push Dentricos so hard and literally beg me to lynch him because that's super incriminating. No, that was a legit scumread from rssp1 and im sure of it. Unless Texas/rssp1 but i dont want to think about that right now
 
I think mafia have one kill left they're hiding and need us to mislynch once or twice plus their kill to win. I think Aubisio and Former Hope are the safest (most likely scum) lynches today and would be reasonably confident that's 2/3 of a scum team with one of twin/rssp/walrein filling in the blanks.

Twin is tunnelling so hilariously hard it's not funny except it is
 
nice activity

anyway im going to sleep and working a 12hr shift tomorrow so won't be here until near deadline/might not even make it for deadline if u dont lynch former i give up and town is bad and deserve to lose

Have a nice day!
 
Vote Aubisio

Seriously fuck this guy i know hes here can we put pressure on him to say something meaningful

My preferred lynches for today are Former Hope = Aubisio > Rssp1 = Walrein

I will elaborate on my new stance on rssp1 if needed but it basically comes down to some shady shit happening at EoD yesterday

Texas is in the town circle for me today.
 
Lynch Aubisio

I can understand why people think of me as scummy due to yesterday but i'd like more concrete points so that I can correct any misunderstandings/explain what I was thinking if need be

Walrein you said you were going to make that post 6h ago where is it at

I think Texas/Hawkie/Asek are town.

FH is probably scum, i'm pretty sure Aubisio is also scum (he seemed to adopt the defeatist strategy when I pointed out that it's possibly a town play, along with his general inactivity/noncontent).
Om Room was absent for most/all of yesterday and also was the only person not to vote, and posts today just to say he forgot about the game, while still not contributing ANYTHING so i could see him as scum as well.

Leaning town on Walrein/twin.

There's really not much to discuss now which is a real issue so if you guys want to question me on my reads/discuss something lmk because the thread should NOT be this dead
 
no kill tonight implies limited number of kills unless mafia wanted to mindgame. However, I think the reason nobody died was because none of the flips incriminate someone without being an obvious frame and everyone in the game has someone suspecting them.
 
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