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NOC Paranoia Mafia Game Over - Mafia Wins

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I think I found a way to help
for each player could you list something that comes to mind about how they played or are playing towards the town wincon (the alive players I mean).
If you struggle to find something that may help you reconsider your reads / help you in finding other scum. When re-reading I realized that some of my cases for finding people townie werent as strong as I thought they were.
also unlynch twin because if he IS town and this is lylo we lose
 
u: above
texas: above + earlier
asek: his posts after subbing, tried to keep up with the game but bogged down by time constraints iirc everything he's done is town tho
borath: basically the same
gale wing srock: came into the game as a sub for someone who wasnt very active and immediately started chasing leads and even calling out people who were majority townread idt scum would do this
 
check his content from d3 to the previous day, it was townie
today has been p bad though but im attributing that to laziness/being not sure what to do
he also defended dentricos when it would have been incredibly easy to pile onto him (his actions at eod3 seemed super townie to me) and looked legitimate in his push on FH.
 
So this site won't let me post on any browser aside from Chrome for some odd reason or another, which would be fine if I used Chrome, which I do not.

And for some odd reason or another Chrome wouldn't fire up all day, leaving me trapped in a glass box of emotion.

Earlier you all did some wagon nonsense but forgot to include pretty colors, so I'll take a crack at it.

pancake (3): rssp1, Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Former Hope (2): Dentricos, Josh
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Walrein, thetwinmasters
Blazade (1): pancake
Josh (1): Haruno
Not voting: OM Room/Beta, Aubisio, Blazade(voted Beta), FH(voted Beta), Flyhn(Voted Haruno)

Haruno (4): Walrein, Texas Cloverleaf, rssp1, Dentricos
Texas Cloverleaf (3): thetwinmasters, Former Hope, Haruno
Former Hope (1): Hawkie
Aubisio (1): OM Room
Walrein (1): Josh
Not voting (2): Aubisio, Flyhn

Dentricos (4): rssp1, Walrein, Former Hope, Asek
Texas Cloverleaf (2): thetwinmasters, Aubisio
Former Hope (2): Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Aubisio (1): Dentricos
Not voting (1): OM Room

Former Hope (3): Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie, rssp1
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Aubisio, thetwinmasters
Aubisio (2): Asek, Borath The Oscillator
Not Voting (2): Former Hope, OM Room

Aubisio (4): Asek, Texas Cloverleaf, Borath the Oscillator, rssp1
Texas Cloverleaf (2): aubisio, thetwinmasters,
Thetwinmasters (1): Hawkie
rssp1 (1): Gale Wing Srock


So first thing's first, fuck everyone who didn't vote. Your vote is your voice, don't you know that you charlatans?

Second thing's second, I set my playlist to shuffle but the last four songs have been Metallica. What's up with that?

Third thing's third, rssp1 has gotten some shit for voting on every mislynch, but Texas has voted on all but one and even then was voting a townie. Oddly, these two have been defending each other a bit. Thinking noises, followed by a delicate Hmmmm.

Additionally, out of the first four days, only one wagon remains unflipped: Texas. In the case of Day 4, if it wasn't for rssp1's vote, Texas would have been lynched. Further thinking noises, followed by a stern Hrrrrrmmmm.

With the exception of Day 3, Texas has voted with rssp1 every day. Noises of thought followed by a brief, strained sigh.

Musical Interlude

Everyone wants to feel safe in the dark
Everyone wants to feel safe in the dark
Forces unseen pulling strings in your heart
Everyone wants to feel safe in the dark

End Musical Interlude

Day 5 is obviously the biggest mess for analysis, since there are virtually no flips to work with.

Objectively speaking, myself and Walrein have also voted exclusively for townies so somebody really should have brought that up but I guess my roguish charm convinced everyone enough to not be paranoid.

Anyway, it should be fairly clear what my conclusions are based on wagonomics. rssp1 and Texas, two people who have defended each other, voted together on mislynches, and put faith in my earlier wagonmics (which could be used to help clear them) have been all up in our grill all game, buddying right in front of our faces.

Posts can contain lies.

Votes cannot.

I freely admit that I am beginning to question my reads on these two. In fact, they're now my top suspects.

Wowza.
 
OK I'm working again this weekend

For those of you who think I'm suspicious due to my long period of inactivity: I didn't sign up for this game initially for a reason. I knew I'd be busy whilst it was running, and didn't want to leave the game with another player whos activity would be sporadic at best. Regardless, DLE approached me and asked me to sub in, and I agreed as long as there was nobody else available to take the slot. I've tried my hardest given that I'm working full on shifts and had my exam period during this NOC. I really hate the smogon NOC meta with so many subs because it completely ruins the scum hunting game and any chances of keeping a straight profile on each member of the game. In fact I think this game has been significantly affected by the subbing in and out of players.

I've tried my best to provide my thoughts and solve this game with you guys. If you want to vote for me on inactivity grounds you can do it, but I hope this post explains why I've gone missing at the very least.
 
see you've got a good point there borath but walrein said it best when he said that you should analyze the reasons that people had for voting as they did, and if those seem weird, go off of that. My reasons for everyone except pancake (I was in class when he got lynched) and MAYBE Aubisio (but you know my dilemma yesterday) were valid imo, but I suppose that's for you to judge.
I suppose it's weird that Texas has also consistently been on town, but a majority of those lynches were just to save himself so i'm not really sure if its alignment indicative.
 
asek continuously casting shade on me while refusing to actually follow up with any thoughts aside from "he's sketchy" and "I don't like his posts/I don't feel like he has any content" is annoying. Due to him not having time I also can't tell if his reasoning for doing so is a lack of time or a lack of towniness
 
rssp1 said:
see you've got a good point there borath but walrein said it best when he said that you should analyze the reasons that people had for voting as they did, and if those seem weird, go off of that. My reasons for everyone except pancake (I was in class when he got lynched) and MAYBE Aubisio (but you know my dilemma yesterday) were valid imo, but I suppose that's for you to judge.
I suppose it's weird that Texas has also consistently been on town, but a majority of those lynches were just to save himself so i'm not really sure if its alignment indicative.
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The fact that you two have consistently been together is the most worrisome bit in my opinion.
 
Thetwinmasters said:
Texas Cloverleaf want to tell us how your poe worked and what seems odd about asek?
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7 left

I'm town
I believe Borath is town for the analysis he's been posting and how shitty it would be of walrein to go to another forum to get a sub
I believe hawkie is town for reasons aforementioned in this thread
I believe gale is town, his actions are as I expect town!gale to be and I think his logic is generally town guided
I thought you were scum but that was predicated heavily on a twin+aubisio scum team so I'm 50/50 on you
I believe rssp is more likely town than scum

PoE leaves Asek who started out as towny for me but has since then posted content I haven't necessarily thought was beneficial and did sub in for a scum read player


Haven't seen anything since this post I quoted btw
 
Borath the Oscillator said:
The fact that you two have consistently been together is the most worrisome bit in my opinion.
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I've voted for pancake to save myself and then my top scum reads at the given points in the game in Haruno/Former/Former/Aubisio

To be perfectly honest rssp hasn't influenced my posts at all for a long time, he was contributing really positively for a good time and providing good logic that iirc I'm pretty sure was accounted for in some of my rationale but since about d3 I haven't cared for the style/content of his posts and they've mostly gone read and forgotten since then.

I'm trying to keep away from leading town discussion today as best I can while still being invested because as the votes show I fucking suck at scum hunting.

Thetwinmasters said:
Thoughts on gale+texas
Gale called texas his #1 scum read then never voted him then attacked rssp1 for the same reasoning and texas also didn't seem to care at all gale was a "misguided" town
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wrt this I believe you missed the part where gale explained that he voted me as a decoy to try and get reactions from rssp who was his actual scum read. I didn't care for his initial vote on me but I also didn't care that he was pushing it because the vote was confidently on aubisio who I was confident was scum at the time, ergo his wagon didn't really matter in the scheme of things assuming aubisio flips scum

my vote probably ends up on twin tomorrow as he's in the most probable of my scum teams but i'm not laying a vote until close to deadline with the mislynch hammer a possibility. as far as i can tell the two scums have to come from twin/rssp/asek and the other three i confidently town read, just can't tell who it's from with any certainty
 
How confident are we that we could afford another mislynch btw? If we're completely confident that we could afford it AND my flipping town would enable someone to solve the game I'm cool with dying. I'm frankly amazed the game is still going, thought we'd lost twice over already
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
PoE leaves Asek who started out as towny for me but has since then posted content I haven't necessarily thought was beneficial and did sub in for a scum read player
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To add on to this, d4/d5 content seemed relatively empty compared to previous and seemed to avoid scum hunting interaction although that could be attributed to activity
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
I've voted for pancake to save myself and then my top scum reads at the given points in the game in Haruno/Former/Former/Aubisio

To be perfectly honest rssp hasn't influenced my posts at all for a long time, he was contributing really positively for a good time and providing good logic that iirc I'm pretty sure was accounted for in some of my rationale but since about d3 I haven't cared for the style/content of his posts and they've mostly gone read and forgotten since then.

I'm trying to keep away from leading town discussion today as best I can while still being invested because as the votes show I fucking suck at scum hunting.



wrt this I believe you missed the part where gale explained that he voted me as a decoy to try and get reactions from rssp who was his actual scum read. I didn't care for his initial vote on me but I also didn't care that he was pushing it because the vote was confidently on aubisio who I was confident was scum at the time, ergo his wagon didn't really matter in the scheme of things assuming aubisio flips scum

my vote probably ends up on twin tomorrow as he's in the most probable of my scum teams but i'm not laying a vote until close to deadline with the mislynch hammer a possibility. as far as i can tell the two scums have to come from twin/rssp/asek and the other three i confidently town read, just can't tell who it's from with any certainty
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You could have voted former to save yourself
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Agreeing with blazade that people seem unusually happy to jump on the beta defense wagon. his posts so far have been a slight scumlean and frankly considering the lack of any real offense against him besides "hey ur inactive" the defense was unusually hyperactive. especially don't like hawkie's "this is how ppl stop playing mafia argument", aside from disagreeing i dislike the emotional appeal intent (that being said i see that as coming from a personal and emotional level which i see as being more town driven than scum). that being said i don't think there's enough there to commit to him as a strong lynch unless the goal is simply to remove inactives, it would essentially be a shot in the dark which i mean, okay, but there's better choices today

i don't mind a walrein lynch as i dislike his lack of activity and unwillingness to post much of substance after early game town guidance which suggests a bit of scum to me, but i'd only want to commit to that lynch if we collectively lynched all of walrein, twin, and blazade specifically to confirm if there are terrorists of if we can vote to end game because we're all town. possibly haruno if we're still unsure. the logic being that with steven having confirmed that there was balancing in place at least one of walrein/twin/blazade/maybe haruno would be terrorist and would confirm their (non-)existance. but that's something i'd prefer to consider on day 2

pancake has really done very little to dissuade my vote, he's looked scummy, his arguments have looked scummy, his rebuttal has looked scummy, and i find his targeting of blazade to be very odd as something of a hail mary. what's particularly odd to me is that he says that he's his primary scum read. i can understand him scum reading blazade to an extent if he's suspicious of his actions, but to commit to him acting so much scummier than everyone else? I don't buy it. my vote will most likely stay here

twin and hawkie look like fairly strong towns, twin i've mentioned before, hawkie's argumentation while i don't agree with a lot of the logic i think the overall message and underlying emotions convey a strong desire for town to succeed. he's playing almost in a similar way to how i did in the last noc, trying to stir things up and create reactions out of people and i haven't got any kind of duplicitous vibe from him

in the interest of time before deadline the rest have to be abbreviated

former hope i lean more scummy than towny, haven't liked their interactions, they haven't seemed genuine and their reasonings has been fairly weak

aubisio and flyhn are in the same boat as beta to me, idlers who are decent scum targets on the next day or two if they don't show anything to the contrary

josh, rssp1, and dentricos i'm having a hard time reading, josh in particular. i have slight town leans on all but not a whole lot for it to go off of. i like the way josh has been defending beta and on the surface it seems towny, but i can definitely see circumstances where it NAI and soemthing he'd do from either side of the aisle

tl;dr keeping my vote on pancake barring something major
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"former hope i lean more scummy than towny, haven't liked their interactions, they haven't seemed genuine and their reasonings has been fairly weak"
That isn't a town read on FH
 
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