The Everything NFL Thread - 2016-17 Season

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It might also be nice if they got some sort of running game to take a little of the pressure off. the defense is actually pretty good so they probably can focus on the offensive line and draft an rb with one of their early picks.
 
some hero said:
I've seen him play and it is ugly. But that's definitely on coaching and should have been picked up in the off season or something.
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Yeah, in the offseason of popwarner football maybe it's the coach's job to be on him for knowing how to throw a good football. It's not the coach's job to be teaching rudimentary mechanics at the pro level.

Osweiler and Bortles are both on the Look the Part all-star team together.
 
TheValkyries said:
Yeah, in the offseason of popwarner football maybe it's the coach's job to be on him for knowing how to throw a good football. It's not the coach's job to be teaching rudimentary mechanics at the pro level.

Osweiler and Bortles are both on the Look the Part all-star team together.
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Bortles at least had a good season to show he can play. osweiler has literally never done anything. sure maybe he was lazy in the offseason but it's hard to believe his mechanics could change that drastically. even if he didn't throw a single ball before camp (unlikely), there's more to it than that.
 
some hero said:
Jesus do you guys complain about everything? Your team was 4-6 and looked horrendous and now they're on a 4 game winning streak, about to steal the division and playing like one of the best teams in the league and what do you do? Whine about needing a player on your roster to play to win a game against a divisional opponent on the road with a pretty good d. They're on a 4 game winning streak, that's all that matters. Don't focus too much on a game, no single game tells you who a team is. For example, when the giants(i have to talk about them in every post) lost to the steelers i still saw them as the better team and saw how incredible that defense was. That game imo was a better example of how dominant their defense has become than the last two. Packers struggled against a crappy team and needed a comeback... so what? These things happen and it doesn't say anything negative about anyone on the packers organization.
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ive literally been saying we should fire mccarthy every week in this thread. i dont think he has what it takes to win the super bowl again with his terrible coaching and game management like do you not remember the nfc championships 2 years ago? We might (we have to win out) get to the playoffs then what? Mike or the defense will find some way to fuck it up. Same thing every fucking year.
 
macle said:
ive literally been saying we should fire mccarthy every week in this thread. i dont think he has what it takes to win the super bowl again with his terrible coaching and game management like do you not remember the nfc championships 2 years ago? We might (we have to win out) get to the playoffs then what? Mike or the defense will find some way to fuck it up. Same thing every fucking year.
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Yeah it must suck making it to the playoffs LITERALLY EVERY YEAR. Can't stand hearing GB fans whine about their misfortune as a Lions fan.
 
Success done in by self sabotage is worse than not having success at all. Don't be jealous petty.
 
Well, gotta settle for 2nd seed. And I was really getting hyped for watching Dallas having a chance to lose their last two. At least we can hope NY to pull ahead and push them to wild card.
 
Aerodactyl Legend said:
Well, gotta settle for 2nd seed. And I was really getting hyped for watching Dallas having a chance to lose their last two. At least we can hope NY to pull ahead and push them to wild card.
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How is that preferable really? It's not exactly hard to play in Dallas, I think they have one of the weakest homefield advantages
 
WaterBomb said:
It might also be nice if they got some sort of running game to take a little of the pressure off. the defense is actually pretty good so they probably can focus on the offensive line and draft an rb with one of their early picks.
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Down the stretch, Ivory has been decent this season since they fired olsen (fuck him) when he's been healthy (so like half the time). Yeldon simply doesn't have the quickness to be a next level back; Ivory is clearly faster than him and that's a problem. As for the O-line, it's come together down the stretch this season and they've done good jobs against some tougher foes, esp Houston the first time around (they've lost a few players by now), Kansas City, Denver, and Minnesota. I really think this team needs speed to compliment its big play ability on the outside, hence why I think Dalvin Cook would be such an amazing fit on this offense. If Cook goes anywhere with a decent offensive line/OC and receivers that are mildly threatening, he will easily break 1k yards as a rookie. Furthermore for those of us who are concerned about injury, he pairs with Ivory perfectly, Ivory pounding out the yards between the tackles that could get Cook hurt while we all know Cook can break big plays at any time.
 
xJownage said:
Down the stretch, Ivory has been decent this season since they fired olsen (fuck him) when he's been healthy (so like half the time). Yeldon simply doesn't have the quickness to be a next level back; Ivory is clearly faster than him and that's a problem. As for the O-line, it's come together down the stretch this season and they've done good jobs against some tougher foes, esp Houston the first time around (they've lost a few players by now), Kansas City, Denver, and Minnesota. I really think this team needs speed to compliment its big play ability on the outside, hence why I think Dalvin Cook would be such an amazing fit on this offense. If Cook goes anywhere with a decent offensive line/OC and receivers that are mildly threatening, he will easily break 1k yards as a rookie. Furthermore for those of us who are concerned about injury, he pairs with Ivory perfectly, Ivory pounding out the yards between the tackles that could get Cook hurt while we all know Cook can break big plays at any time.
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If y'all are going to retain Bortles, you desperately need a dual threat back similar to le'veon bell or David big Johnson to catch checkdowns. it will also take pressure off Robinson who clearly suffered this season with defenses keying on him. I don't watch minor league ball so I wouldn't know but are there any backs entering the draft next year that fit that profile?
 
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Its becoming more and more difficult to convince myself that the Pats defense isn't good.
 
Pretzels said:
Its becoming more and more difficult to convince myself that the Pats defense isn't good.
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By points scored the best offense the Patriots have played is Buffalo (twice) and they haven't played a single offense in the top 8. The Steelers played without Ben, and the Pats have played 4/5 of the bottom five scoring teams. Having two opponents score 3 and 0 points is fantastic, but Oakland and Indianapolis have a solid shot at posting 30+ in the playoffs, not to mention Atlanta, Dallas or GB in a potential SB matchup. Good coaching can't overcome the skill difference in those matchups.

Of course TB12 could also easily post 30 points on most or all of those defenses, but the Pats defense probably won't be winning a championship by outstanding defense.

Hope I helped
 
WaterBomb said:
If y'all are going to retain Bortles, you desperately need a dual threat back similar to le'veon bell or David big Johnson to catch checkdowns. it will also take pressure off Robinson who clearly suffered this season with defenses keying on him. I don't watch minor league ball so I wouldn't know but are there any backs entering the draft next year that fit that profile?
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robinson simply has a fumbling issue, and again, cook fits exactly what you wanted. He's a dual threat back who's great in the open field and can break the long run at a moment's notice. Nobody keyed on robinson, olsen has a poor scheme and robinson isn't a great back. neither is yeldon. ivory is a decent power back that needs a compliment. cook fits the build
 
xJownage said:
robinson simply has a fumbling issue, and again, cook fits exactly what you wanted. He's a dual threat back who's great in the open field and can break the long run at a moment's notice. Nobody keyed on robinson, olsen has a poor scheme and robinson isn't a great back. neither is yeldon. ivory is a decent power back that needs a compliment. cook fits the build
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I was talking about Allen not shoelace lol
 
Killah said:
By points scored the best offense the Patriots have played is Buffalo (twice) and they haven't played a single offense in the top 8. The Steelers played without Ben, and the Pats have played 4/5 of the bottom five scoring teams. Having two opponents score 3 and 0 points is fantastic, but Oakland and Indianapolis have a solid shot at posting 30+ in the playoffs, not to mention Atlanta, Dallas or GB in a potential SB matchup. Good coaching can't overcome the skill difference in those matchups.

Of course TB12 could also easily post 30 points on most or all of those defenses, but the Pats defense probably won't be winning a championship by outstanding defense.

Hope I helped
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Exactly. The fact that they allowed 3(!) whole points against that vaunted broncos O is proof enough of how good they are. Not. That defense looks awful.

You want a real defense? Check out NYG. That defense is playing at an extremely high level and is easily the best in the league. They still make mistakes, but they're improving each week. It's very noticeable how each defender is playing harder than ever and with so much confidence. I just wish they had figured it out sooner so that they could have clinched the number one seed. Had they done that I doubt even the Falcons score 10. And a team like Hawks would get blown out.
 
Pretzels said:
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Its becoming more and more difficult to convince myself that the Pats defense isn't good.
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Just remember what we looked like the Seahawks if you've forgotten how little talent we have. We can't cover tight ends and running backs and our coverage on wideouts depend massively on the scheme called fluctuating between good and bad. Our Run Defense is good but it's entirely because of the linebackers and our DLine is sporadic and has shown flashes of decent play but always against bad offensive lines. As an engine our DLine doesn't have the horsepower to generate any pressure on their own against more solid lines which strains our coverage at all levels. It's a well coached defense so we're rarely gashed for but we definitely lose to death by a thousand cuts. If the Steelers weren't the Steelers their offense would blow us out of the water. Frankly any legitimately good running game will crush us because to stop the chains from moving on the ground we'll pull resources from the backend and give up big plays through the air.

Tl;dr our defense is built to look good against bad teams but isn't actually good.
 
Assweiler's gonna be riding the bench on Saturday. Texans need to cut him ASAP, dude's proven that he sucks and sunk cost at this point. No reason to pay him $18M to ride pine.
 
JackTheGordie said:
Assweiler's gonna be riding the bench on Saturday. Texans need to cut him ASAP, dude's proven that he sucks and sunk cost at this point. No reason to pay him $18M to ride pine.
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They might as well keep him as a backup for now just due to the amount of dead money cutting him would create. Sad part is they overpaid him so nobody will accept him in a trade either.
WaterBomb said:
I was talking about Allen not shoelace lol
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ah then, i was thinking running backs and not AR.
 
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