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NOC Deathnote NOC Mafia - GAME OVER, Postgame in #714

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I already gave my reads and you should lynch me try reading


And I've never scumread idlers lmfao what idling is nai and as you saw in hoods scum can push em super easily. There's a difference between idling and being caught scum who gives up rather than keeps fighting just like asek and jalmont did in my game. Giving up makes me sick
 
Josh said:
I already gave my reads and you should lynch me try reading


And I've never scumread idlers lmfao what idling is nai and as you saw in hoods scum can push em super easily. There's a difference between idling and being caught scum who gives up rather than keeps fighting just like asek and jalmont did in my game. Giving up makes me sick
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The idlers comment wasn't aimed at you.

Quote the post where you read them, RECENTLY. I can't find it.
 
I thought what Josh did was brilliant in fake claiming Merlin. I townread him big time, Josh was the only one who really tried to solve this game early while everyone else was just following him. I feel like some people here make Josh out to be a big player in fake claiming merlin as scum, but I guess I just don't see that in his capabilities? The only thing that bothers me is that if AG and Hitmon are scum then he's really good at reading ( which I don't think he is ) that would be the only thing I can suspect him of atm.
 
Josh said:
i am legitimately dumbfounded i need to explain this and that asek is playing so bad (hey asek, oh my god you suck). do you not realize: ASEK TOLD SCUM HITMONLEET = MERLIN and HE = BODYGUARD. it doesnt MATTER if hitmonleet gets lynched, if hitmonleet is merlin the game is over ANYWAYS. look at how many living people there are: 10, 8 town. there goes merlin and bg, 6town, plus the inspect last night which was likely me, 5 town, plus they get a second guess AND two more at the end of the game AND all of the people who randomly get guessed before that. scum auto win if hitmonleet = merlin and it doesnt matter what happens, theyve already won, vigs dead so we cant even end game tonight.

you were more productive to town idling. ill humor you though, what numerous things cant i explain? where am i demonstratably anti town?

i chose my 4 biggest scum reads and claimed merlin with them. i knew ag was flipping scum, i think i proved i knew that throughout the day, and i wanted to ensure merlin wasnt randed. claiming merlin with my biggest scumreads would both throw scum off and get my biggest scumreads lynched. ive proved im right on ag and texas proved im right on hitmonleet. that leaves aura and asek. asek is town after further anaysis btw which is why youll see my reads below




tis in order of towniest -> scummiest in each category

conftown (i am personally willing to bet the game theyre town and accept town as having already lost if one of them played that good as scum):
Asek
Gronkasaurus Rex

townier side:
mithril
acidphoenix
king

scummier side (lets hunt that last scum!):
haruno
pancake
moody

confscum:
Hitmonleet

this should be obvious but watcher/tracker, do not make it obvious you're aware of each other

sry but again no reasons for my reads. i figured out a lot of the game and dont want to hint at anything for scum.


i think the last scum is 80% in pancake and moody, and moody is much more likely. and dw im not an idiot, merlin is tucked away via me rnging what slot to put em in.
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First, let me just reply to this.
Gronkasaurus Rex said:
Hitmonleet; why Asek & Moody as scummy?
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My feelings have since changed, but to explain my prior actions, this is what I was thinking by the time of this post: Asek was scummy due to not posting very much and seemingly trying to fly under the radar. Furthermore, Josh admitting that he was just kidding about the Merlin claim made him seem less scummy, and thus, asek was at the top of my suspicions. As for Moody, the whole plan for getting hit by Twin and the Watcher made him seem a bit scummy since Twin was discovered last night, but then again, we don't know if twin actually targeted Moody.

Also, Asek I can confirm your statement on post #441.

Now, to begin this in ernest.

To put things simply, Vote Josh.

Let's look at d1 to start things off:

Texas' post #82 throws some shade and suspicion his way, and he proceeds to argue against it. This isn't exactly suspicious in and of itself, but it does support Josh being the Mafia Hooker, due to his being targeted by Texas.

Now, continuing this line of reasoning, we have this right here:

Josh said:
i got investigated because i lied about being merlin and just spat out my scumreads and it worked because they 90% guessed merlin for me + investigated me last night.

now, sheep me on asek because i caught one scum already and its time to lynch #2.
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Now, this had made him seem much more towny, since he admitted to lying about being Merlin. However, looking at the role list, Percival only knows two roles, Merlin and Anton Chigurh. With Texas going ape after Josh, it is presumable that he knew of Josh from his role pm. Since Josh is not Merlin, it is assumable that he is the Mafia Hooker.
 
King_ said:
I thought what Josh did was brilliant in fake claiming Merlin. I townread him big time, Josh was the only one who really tried to solve this game early while everyone else was just following him. I feel like some people here make Josh out to be a big player in fake claiming merlin as scum, but I guess I just don't see that in his capabilities? The only thing that bothers me is that if AG and Hitmon are scum then he's really good at reading ( which I don't think he is ) that would be the only thing I can suspect him of atm.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69080
By far the first one to catch ep as scum and a major part of solving endgame, plus I didn't push a single mislynch. Ep scum slipped in a different fashion then ag but again I was the sole person to catch it. I study psychology, a lot applies to mafia and you'll see people question me about scum ep if you have time to skim it (doubt you will but there for posterity).
 
Hitmonleet said:
First, let me just reply to this.


My feelings have since changed, but to explain my prior actions, this is what I was thinking by the time of this post: Asek was scummy due to not posting very much and seemingly trying to fly under the radar. Furthermore, Josh admitting that he was just kidding about the Merlin claim made him seem less scummy, and thus, asek was at the top of my suspicions. As for Moody, the whole plan for getting hit by Twin and the Watcher made him seem a bit scummy since Twin was discovered last night, but then again, we don't know if twin actually targeted Moody.

Also, Asek I can confirm your statement on post #441.

Now, to begin this in ernest.

To put things simply, Vote Josh.

Let's look at d1 to start things off:

Texas' post #82 throws some shade and suspicion his way, and he proceeds to argue against it. This isn't exactly suspicious in and of itself, but it does support Josh being the Mafia Hooker, due to his being targeted by Texas.

Now, continuing this line of reasoning, we have this right here:



Now, this had made him seem much more towny, since he admitted to lying about being Merlin. However, looking at the role list, Percival only knows two roles, Merlin and Anton Chigurh. With Texas going ape after Josh, it is presumable that he knew of Josh from his role pm. Since Josh is not Merlin, it is assumable that he is the Mafia Hooker.
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Another scum slipping but it doesn't matter since you're caught. Then again it might matter due to the PL.
 
Josh said:
Everyone who has played with me a lot knows I love to gambit and I lie a shit ton as townie which is typically not a popular choice. I planned on claiming merlin from the second I signed up for this game, and by acting super sure of my scumreads I knew I could pull it off. Texas picked up on that a bit and faked some shade, I'm completely in awe people haven't picked up on this shit. Ultimately I'm playing a game assuming everyone has meta experience with me and is generally competent. Asek is usually a smarter player and idfk with mithril I have a reason to townread him but it's mostly scummy. This game percival, watcher/tracker, and merlin have been stupidly obvious and it really hurt town. Town isn't gonna win at this point and I'll explain why we lost in postgame. The only way town wins is by lynching one scum rn and leaving Hitmonleet alive as a newbie to choke final guesses - yesterday if scum had a good reader watcher/tracker was caught and they attempted the 50/50 so both are dead tn, I'm dead due to inspection, blah blah poe. Town lost due to how kill mechanics are and nobody seeing that is baffling.

My goal coming into this game was to protect merlin. Town couldn't have made that harder. Lynch moody and if he flips scum town has a CHANCE. Lynch me or Hitmonleet and we've lost even though Hitmonleet is caught scum. And man, I have harsh words for a lot of you in postgame.
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It would be fantastic if you ever read the rules. If hitmonleet is mafia, he is hooked. Rules just say that mafia has a final guess and light has the final say. How this leads to hitmoonleet even being able to choke is beyond me.
 
King_ said:
I thought what Josh did was brilliant in fake claiming Merlin. I townread him big time, Josh was the only one who really tried to solve this game early while everyone else was just following him. I feel like some people here make Josh out to be a big player in fake claiming merlin as scum, but I guess I just don't see that in his capabilities? The only thing that bothers me is that if AG and Hitmon are scum then he's really good at reading ( which I don't think he is ) that would be the only thing I can suspect him of atm.
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he can't be fakeclaim merlin because of texas's posts d1, he can't be actually merlin and lying about it because he didn't have twin in his list
 
Josh gets lynched :
Flips town - oh damn we lynch hitmon + no more material from the only actual person who actually tried day 1 that is still alive.
Flips scum - oh now we believe hitmon + dead sombra

Hitmon gets lynched:
Flips town - If he's Merlin , he didn't really fucking help anyways
Flips scum - one less scum to worry about
 
Josh said:
Everyone who has played with me a lot knows I love to gambit and I lie a shit ton as townie which is typically not a popular choice. I planned on claiming merlin from the second I signed up for this game, and by acting super sure of my scumreads I knew I could pull it off. Texas picked up on that a bit and faked some shade, I'm completely in awe people haven't picked up on this shit. Ultimately I'm playing a game assuming everyone has meta experience with me and is generally competent. Asek is usually a smarter player and idfk with mithril I have a reason to townread him but it's mostly scummy. This game percival, watcher/tracker, and merlin have been stupidly obvious and it really hurt town. Town isn't gonna win at this point and I'll explain why we lost in postgame. The only way town wins is by lynching one scum rn and leaving Hitmonleet alive as a newbie to choke final guesses - yesterday if scum had a good reader watcher/tracker was caught and they attempted the 50/50 so both are dead tn, I'm dead due to inspection, blah blah poe. Town lost due to how kill mechanics are and nobody seeing that is baffling.

My goal coming into this game was to protect merlin. Town couldn't have made that harder. Lynch moody and if he flips scum town has a CHANCE. Lynch me or Hitmonleet and we've lost even though Hitmonleet is caught scum. And man, I have harsh words for a lot of you in postgame.
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You kind of lost me at "lynch moody that's the only way town can win" lol. I don't get why you say we should let hitmonleetscum live in order to have him screw up the final guess when my understanding is that Light decides the final guesses even if he's dead?
 
It's not about screwing up the final guess. It's about being as helpful to mafia as an npc. Town doesn't seem to truly grasp how badly they're losing right now and how desperate they need to be.

Town has a chance if we lynch scum today and tomorrow. You're my best guess as scum. That's that.
 
Oh Mithril already mentioned it while I was typing. Anyway Josh you've mostly been saying "I'm carrying you baddies look at this past game morons" as a defense and your scumread on me seems just doesn't seem to make sense so ??
 
Hitmonleet can get lynched today. It doesn't make a big difference. But just like the difference one round of rocks can have on your Lando, every little bit matters. I think town odds are slightly better lynching another scum first.
 
MoodyCloud said:
Oh Mithril already mentioned it while I was typing. Anyway Josh you've mostly been saying "I'm carrying you baddies look at this past game morons" as a defense and your scumread on me seems just doesn't seem to make sense so ??
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Nah only I'm carrying. Linking games is extra. Meta is a stupid thing and you shouldn't read off it.
 
King_ said:
Josh gets lynched :
Flips town - oh damn we lynch hitmon + no more material from the only actual person who actually tried day 1 that is still alive.
Flips scum - oh now we believe hitmon + dead sombra

Hitmon gets lynched:
Flips town - If he's Merlin , he didn't really fucking help anyways
Flips scum - one less scum to worry about
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If hitmon flips Merlin town has a very high chance to lose so it's not "meh whatever", if he flips scum that'd be the best scenario however.
 
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