Or you could f command walrein's posts and stop being so jumpy
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I have done that and have found no case of Walrein defending himself and using humour at the same time.
He did crack jokes plenty, but all were proactive. The only one remotely close to that was the joke he made based on cancerous questioning buttered toast for answering the question about what he did when he asked Walrein. This was in no way a defense anyways, unless you read Walrein post without context.
I could quote and list all the relevant Walrein posts, but just search them up yourself.
Now then moody if I don't find no Walrein posts you describe, where did you get your idea from, searching for it didn't work!
He did crack jokes plenty, but all were proactive. The only one remotely close to that was the joke he made based on cancerous questioning buttered toast for answering the question about what he did when he asked Walrein. This was in no way a defense anyways, unless you read Walrein post without context.
I could quote and list all the relevant Walrein posts, but just search them up yourself.
Now then moody if I don't find no Walrein posts you describe, where did you get your idea from, searching for it didn't work!
Guess I didn't see the same thing you did when looking at these posts, my impression is that he's been making a joke every time someone mentioned whatever suspicion towards him and that the one time I've seen him be proactive is right as he was attacked. Both made my disliking of his town reads lean towards having a scumread on him.
If there is something you'd like another explanation for be sure to ask as long as it's not "please quote every word that felt off from every post thus far"
If there is something you'd like another explanation for be sure to ask as long as it's not "please quote every word that felt off from every post thus far"
I don't see how day1 townreads are relevant at all tbh sharing scumreads/calling people into question is alright but how does telling people that you think X might be town useful + there is no reason whatsoever to trust your townread so I fail to see how it helps people to not sit in null either way.
At best this looks like buddying with no benefit to scumhunting to me, thus not pro-town and it contradicts your earlier post prodding town to get meaningful discussion going
At best this looks like buddying with no benefit to scumhunting to me, thus not pro-town and it contradicts your earlier post prodding town to get meaningful discussion going
I assume people know that smogon's search command has the ability to search for a certain user's posts, as well as a checkbox for "this thread only".
Typically, the person making an accusation that "[x person] posted in a certain suspicious manner" has the burden of proof. And analysis.
Note that my "devaluing of scumslips" was part of my point that there isn't really recent and therefore relevant data for me to answer the question about how I act.
The thing about day 1 is that few things are productive, effective, or both. Town legit has 1 piece of public information total, and that's that there's some kind of letter-collecting town role. Which *cough cough* doesn't quite help with alignment indication or scumhunting day 1, because it's doubtful that said lettertaker claims because of important info or something (which I guess they could get?).
Thus, people might as well post townreads (having reasons is better, obviously)
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Uh... this is a non-bastard game right? I would assume so.
Typically, the person making an accusation that "[x person] posted in a certain suspicious manner" has the burden of proof. And analysis.
Note that my "devaluing of scumslips" was part of my point that there isn't really recent and therefore relevant data for me to answer the question about how I act.
The thing about day 1 is that few things are productive, effective, or both. Town legit has 1 piece of public information total, and that's that there's some kind of letter-collecting town role. Which *cough cough* doesn't quite help with alignment indication or scumhunting day 1, because it's doubtful that said lettertaker claims because of important info or something (which I guess they could get?).
Thus, people might as well post townreads (having reasons is better, obviously)
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Uh... this is a non-bastard game right? I would assume so.
Mostly this +the bunch of joke posts made before. This line especially ticked me off because I've seen scum have close to this exact reaction before, so while subjective it is a reason for concern to me.
Didn't like this post either, looks like an excuse+jumping on another guy+speculation, happening quite fast and being walrein's first accusation of the game iirc. Something about only pressuring players reactively instead of proactively doesn't look towny to me.
sharing townreads is important because if someone is townreading someone for a really terrible reason that can be a scumtell
and i mean would you rather i not have pressured anyone at all? i'd been gone all day and there were votes on me regardless, my options were "accuse someone reactively" or "sit on my hands"
could i have called someone out before that? maybe, if i wanted to make wild extrapolations based on RQS. which i didn't and don't.
where's the "excuse" in that post anyways? an excuse is something like "sorry i'm not posting because i'm getting sworn in as president today" or some shit. all i see in my post is a refutation of the main argument against me and a valid point against another user, along with a bit of speculation (which isn't inherently scummy?)
and i mean would you rather i not have pressured anyone at all? i'd been gone all day and there were votes on me regardless, my options were "accuse someone reactively" or "sit on my hands"
could i have called someone out before that? maybe, if i wanted to make wild extrapolations based on RQS. which i didn't and don't.
where's the "excuse" in that post anyways? an excuse is something like "sorry i'm not posting because i'm getting sworn in as president today" or some shit. all i see in my post is a refutation of the main argument against me and a valid point against another user, along with a bit of speculation (which isn't inherently scummy?)
Some roles commonly found on Smogon can be considered pretty bastard on PS
I meant along the lines of "hosts won't lie to players"
you could ask Hitmonleet or internet if they can confirm/deny the possibility of host lying (incorrect inspect results etc)
also hi Aubisio are you actually going to play today or are you just going to reply to the most meaningless thing in the thread and disappear again
also hi Aubisio are you actually going to play today or are you just going to reply to the most meaningless thing in the thread and disappear again
LightWolf I'll answer you, but it means the question will be compromised for future use.
My goal for the percentages question to see how much stock players put into scumhunting. That's the backbone of the game and imo the most important Towntool. Even if you aren't a PR, you can still use your brain to suss out scum. With that logic in mind, I try to gauge if players who don't consider scumhunting to be as important as other factors are actually trying to scumhunt. From there, it falls to determining if a player is phoning it in (which then needs to be compared against past behavior, if available, to make a read) or if a player possibly has ulterior motives.
Fort Colorcastle This game is built on player input, which means any level of bastardry is determined by the players. Being familiar with other players' mannerisms and preferences would probably be helpful in gauging how likely it is that there's a role that directly affects the Mods.
My goal for the percentages question to see how much stock players put into scumhunting. That's the backbone of the game and imo the most important Towntool. Even if you aren't a PR, you can still use your brain to suss out scum. With that logic in mind, I try to gauge if players who don't consider scumhunting to be as important as other factors are actually trying to scumhunt. From there, it falls to determining if a player is phoning it in (which then needs to be compared against past behavior, if available, to make a read) or if a player possibly has ulterior motives.
Fort Colorcastle This game is built on player input, which means any level of bastardry is determined by the players. Being familiar with other players' mannerisms and preferences would probably be helpful in gauging how likely it is that there's a role that directly affects the Mods.
Mods can take flavor and staple any number of roles to it so unless someone made "Meta Musil the game breaking living fiber supplement" whose flavor specifically refers to this game or something the responsibility is on the Mods.
This, incedentally, is why the claim game sucks until much later. It isn't alignment indicative.
Moodycloud's logic strikes me as weird and uncharacteristic but the emotions in the him LW fight strike me as TvT so I am conflicted.
Growing suspicious of texas because usually I see more fight from him. I both like and not like the walrein poke and withdraw. On the one hand it felt like sincere scumhunting on the other I haven't seen him do that before and it feels like it could be a way to distance from Walrein.
This, incedentally, is why the claim game sucks until much later. It isn't alignment indicative.
Moodycloud's logic strikes me as weird and uncharacteristic but the emotions in the him LW fight strike me as TvT so I am conflicted.
Growing suspicious of texas because usually I see more fight from him. I both like and not like the walrein poke and withdraw. On the one hand it felt like sincere scumhunting on the other I haven't seen him do that before and it feels like it could be a way to distance from Walrein.
As I said to Walrein I've changed my playstyle based partly on having read through some mafiascum games but mostly based on having nowhere near the amount of free time I did when I was posting several hundred posts in a game.
Walrein and LightWolf are solid town reads for me at the moment and shouldn't be the day 1 lynch, they had specific townslips in their posts that mafia would have to be highly self-aware of to make.
MoodyCloud's posts have been weak and have a definitive scum odor to them, however I don't scum read them at the moment as their play is similar to past meta I've seen from them as town where their town posting style is around similar activity.
Scum lean on Fort at the moment, but I've yet to notice specific scum slips from him or the rest of the player base yet
My suspicion is that one scum has been actively posting, one has posted a couple times for activity and the others are in the idle crowd.
We are honest people.
That is literally the one I explained is the closest but in context isn't at all him defending himself. The context of that one is entirely Buttered Toast being asked by cancerous if BT would not look at what walrein does. There was no saying walrein did anything wrong in the whole discussion and it started with buttered toast answering a general question about cancerous' RQS post after Walrein called it out. Again this was a proactive one, heck it was Walrein inviting people to scrutinize him and not just assume he is good the end. Again give me an actual example or did you say he has been doing something implying plural with only one case and that one turned out to be wrong due to context?
Also how does one proactively accuse someone? You literally have no choice but to address stuff others say and can't make a case on someone without them doing something questionable first.
Knights I do not see how percentages helps you with that. You don't need to keep people to an arbitrary numbered standard they set for themselves to see as the game progresses they begin to half ass scumhunting or their behavior doesn't match up with previous games(though I find the latter pointless and biased). I personally can't say I would ever judge based on what people answered, but I can see how you'd personally use it as a starting point especially with your claims of a weak d1. End result don't agree but I can see your thought process and we are past the stage and in actual discussion.
Proactively as in "not waiting to have three votes on you to suddenly build a case on someone after having been mostly joking around"
Also your posts lightwolf seem very different from what I recall to be your play in other NOCs I was in and idk what to make of that
Also your posts lightwolf seem very different from what I recall to be your play in other NOCs I was in and idk what to make of that
Idle folks please start playing ty
going to bed now
going to bed now
Holy shit so many posts while I was trying to pass my classes >_>
So far: strong town reads on Walrein and Lightwolf, town read on Texas, meh read on MoodyCloud, slightly scum read on Fort. If we had to choose a lynch target at this very moment I'd probably lean Fort but jumping to conclusions on lynches earlygame in NOCs tends to be...somewhat counterproductive?
Also if Walrein and Lightwolf are both mafia we're probably fucked but that doesn't seem terribly likely?
So far: strong town reads on Walrein and Lightwolf, town read on Texas, meh read on MoodyCloud, slightly scum read on Fort. If we had to choose a lynch target at this very moment I'd probably lean Fort but jumping to conclusions on lynches earlygame in NOCs tends to be...somewhat counterproductive?
Also if Walrein and Lightwolf are both mafia we're probably fucked but that doesn't seem terribly likely?
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