Lynch Walrein atm
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i'm inclined to believe that whichever faction walrein flips you are on the same faction. People will be inclined to believe that whichever faction walrein flips I am not on that faction. I'm not answering this question beyond that due to the fact that speculation like that can and will be used by mafia on the probable chance that im wrong on some of them to push / support wagons that they know I would be inclined to follow. Outlying what I think on the people listed in relation to a walrein flip seems like it would only lead to bad things happening with my thoughtplan visibile for mafia to manipulate. I dislike reads lists at early stages of NOC for this reasoning also.
I don't see how it was a simple discussion generating bandwagon when I've outlined why I think walreins the person whos given me the strongest scum vibes out of anyone in my post. This isnt just a lynch for the sake of there being nobody else better (but fwiw I think thats also the case). I think other people were irked by walreins posts as well but maybe I planted the thought into their heads, who knows.
for the record i dont like that post 1 bit (lightwolfs) but I'm going to set my alarm tomorrow I think. Should be up in time to see how things shake out over night and if I need to switch wagons. But I'm comftable as is
Your only point is Walrein named like 6-7 towns? The reasoning he is baiting people to follow his vote because people who he believes are likely to believe him. Every way I look at this, this is bullshit. People will trust him because he is trustable, if you just look at the thread the amount of people trusting him are minimal compared to the people that suspect him.
Also no you didn't outline why Walrein was your main suspect, you voted him and said you will explain why if asked but you'd rather not, then you vanished till you lynched Walrein again finally giving reasons. The original bandwagon had no substance and was used to pressure Walrein.
Also I do not see why you can't share how you view the Walrein results affecting the people he interacted with. Again the only factor for those is what already happened and what faction Walrein flips. If you can't provide non wifom arguments for results of the lynch then your argument on Walrein being a good lynch regardless of alignment doesn't hold water. Your examples prove this.
I'd like to ask people to pocket the Walrein lynch for now unless you have arguments that haven't been brought up yet. I fear with so little time left we'd narrow our focus too much.
Therefore I request people list who they are willing to lynch and why.
For me it's moody for the reasons I discussed, haruno for their last big post(see mine on the matter), asek because of what I outlined here and before here, BT for being the most suspicious in the cancerous BT Walrein exchange plus his Martin push.
Also no you didn't outline why Walrein was your main suspect, you voted him and said you will explain why if asked but you'd rather not, then you vanished till you lynched Walrein again finally giving reasons. The original bandwagon had no substance and was used to pressure Walrein.
Also I do not see why you can't share how you view the Walrein results affecting the people he interacted with. Again the only factor for those is what already happened and what faction Walrein flips. If you can't provide non wifom arguments for results of the lynch then your argument on Walrein being a good lynch regardless of alignment doesn't hold water. Your examples prove this.
I'd like to ask people to pocket the Walrein lynch for now unless you have arguments that haven't been brought up yet. I fear with so little time left we'd narrow our focus too much.
Therefore I request people list who they are willing to lynch and why.
For me it's moody for the reasons I discussed, haruno for their last big post(see mine on the matter), asek because of what I outlined here and before here, BT for being the most suspicious in the cancerous BT Walrein exchange plus his Martin push.
Townleans: Slight townlean on LW, Asek and ButteredToast for logical reasoning, active contribution and a gut feeling of towniness. Slightly stronger on Toast.
Scumleans: Scumleans on Moody, Fort and Haruno. Mostly a gut feeling from reading through their posts, although I feel like Moody's activity is the most suspicious.
I'm placing my vote, lynch MoodyCloud.
Scumleans: Scumleans on Moody, Fort and Haruno. Mostly a gut feeling from reading through their posts, although I feel like Moody's activity is the most suspicious.
I'm placing my vote, lynch MoodyCloud.
As usual I find myself agreeing with almost everything Lightwolf says which always makes me nervous.
I don't like Asek's reasoning for a Walrein lynch becauae it boils down to something way to personal and picky. Townleans have always been a part of Day 1, and it's something I've seen from Walrein regardless. Not that walrein couldn't be scum, but I'm not seeing the evidence for a full case. Asek extrapolating alignments from these disagreements over philosophy (I'm on a different team than Walrein, LW is same team) is also problematic but difficult for me to scum read him over.
Lynching Martin today is just about the biggest idle bait on a genuine reading player and really you're all acting sillly for blowing up over the sub attempt and your disagreements with his understanding of the game like that. Everything on him has been reaching and completely counterproductive wrt reading him.
I'm willing to lynch moody but I'd prefer others because my gut's telling me that argument came from Town moody. I've never seen his NOC scumgame though.
I don't really get everyone's arguments against Fort. I'll looo more into it later.
Out of everyone mentioned I feel most comfortable lynching Haruno but admittedly I'm on my phone and this is a big game. I'll be sure to make a detailed post on all the players during my lunch break.
I don't like Asek's reasoning for a Walrein lynch becauae it boils down to something way to personal and picky. Townleans have always been a part of Day 1, and it's something I've seen from Walrein regardless. Not that walrein couldn't be scum, but I'm not seeing the evidence for a full case. Asek extrapolating alignments from these disagreements over philosophy (I'm on a different team than Walrein, LW is same team) is also problematic but difficult for me to scum read him over.
Lynching Martin today is just about the biggest idle bait on a genuine reading player and really you're all acting sillly for blowing up over the sub attempt and your disagreements with his understanding of the game like that. Everything on him has been reaching and completely counterproductive wrt reading him.
I'm willing to lynch moody but I'd prefer others because my gut's telling me that argument came from Town moody. I've never seen his NOC scumgame though.
I don't really get everyone's arguments against Fort. I'll looo more into it later.
Out of everyone mentioned I feel most comfortable lynching Haruno but admittedly I'm on my phone and this is a big game. I'll be sure to make a detailed post on all the players during my lunch break.
What a coincidence, I was going to call you out for lurking VanillishWafer.
My vote on Walrein was mostly there to try and make reactions to pressure on him happen, and it did and got support. Now while it is possible that Walrein is scum and has received support from a teammate, if he's town I would expect scum to either stay off that wagon or take extra care to find a valid reason to jump on it, thus I don't think the people who are voting Walrein without having made a case are what I'm looking for after all (Cancerous mostly).
Also prodding acidphoenix and Aubisio for activity, not sure where I'll drop my vote by deadline
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Lynch BlankSlate
My vote on Walrein was mostly there to try and make reactions to pressure on him happen, and it did and got support. Now while it is possible that Walrein is scum and has received support from a teammate, if he's town I would expect scum to either stay off that wagon or take extra care to find a valid reason to jump on it, thus I don't think the people who are voting Walrein without having made a case are what I'm looking for after all (Cancerous mostly).
Also prodding acidphoenix and Aubisio for activity, not sure where I'll drop my vote by deadline
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Lynch BlankSlate
Currently I'd think that lynching Walrein would give us far and away the most information based on what he flips, but I think we can probably afford to hold off on that for another day or two? People I'd be willing to lynch: Fort, Haruno (seems more and more scummy the more arguments he makes), MoodyCloud (general gut feeling from activity).
For now lynch Haruno but might change as deadline gets closer
For now lynch Haruno but might change as deadline gets closer
as more people unearth themselves close to deadline, i think it's odd that we've seen a wagon pop up on walrein, when he's not even here? and we had a good BT/Haruno wagon going? i missed something why did walrein become a lynch target? i understand the blankslate shift bc he's actuallly been active. also there's like three people defending walrein which is funny i think.
still not lynching yet, maybe will on haruno later, can we get a vote count Hitmonleet ?
still not lynching yet, maybe will on haruno later, can we get a vote count Hitmonleet ?
I'm very happy that no one has called me out on my activity in this game so far... contrary to popular belief, low activity =/= scum 
Now, it's low activity and also DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE when they are active that signifies scum.
My biggest scumread right now is ButteredToast because his long "response to bunch of other people's posts" on page six was really bad information and it looks like he just made a long post simply because long posts can typically signify "towniness." Citation: past NOC games. But yeah most of his posts are generally useless even though he makes a lot of them.
Another player that I don't like town-scum-wise is MoodyCloud. He, for some reason, encourages being defensive in post 172, which is really confusing because being defensive is one of my typically scumtells. In addition, he doesn't explain a lot of his reads to the fullest, like in post 142 where he is like "fort is scum because doesn't have content" whereas I think fort's content is decent and he doesn't say WHY fort is lacking content, i.e. when he has obviously posted, you have to explain why it is anti-content.
Finally blank slate has a BLANK SLATE with his reads (haha! My jokes are so funny and not overused) where he says that 22 people in this game are null for him. come on man, you gotta be better than that. not a full scumread yet but lean scum.
I'll just list off a bunch of townreads and a brief explanation of why:
- LightWolf, pretty much a gut read but his scumtells are really good like in post 150
- Blazade, just good content like in 166
- Haruno, mostly gut/player meta because of his shitposts lol
- Asek, I like his analysis of the current situation.
Lynch ButteredToast
Now, it's low activity and also DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE when they are active that signifies scum.
My biggest scumread right now is ButteredToast because his long "response to bunch of other people's posts" on page six was really bad information and it looks like he just made a long post simply because long posts can typically signify "towniness." Citation: past NOC games. But yeah most of his posts are generally useless even though he makes a lot of them.
Another player that I don't like town-scum-wise is MoodyCloud. He, for some reason, encourages being defensive in post 172, which is really confusing because being defensive is one of my typically scumtells. In addition, he doesn't explain a lot of his reads to the fullest, like in post 142 where he is like "fort is scum because doesn't have content" whereas I think fort's content is decent and he doesn't say WHY fort is lacking content, i.e. when he has obviously posted, you have to explain why it is anti-content.
Finally blank slate has a BLANK SLATE with his reads (haha! My jokes are so funny and not overused) where he says that 22 people in this game are null for him. come on man, you gotta be better than that. not a full scumread yet but lean scum.
I'll just list off a bunch of townreads and a brief explanation of why:
- LightWolf, pretty much a gut read but his scumtells are really good like in post 150
- Blazade, just good content like in 166
- Haruno, mostly gut/player meta because of his shitposts lol
- Asek, I like his analysis of the current situation.
Lynch ButteredToast
the fuck? You literally haven't posted all game lol. If you're going to use such arguments you're better off just stating why you feel holding off walrein for a day/two would be beneficial since information early on is pivotal.
lynch haruno: fort colorcastle, martin, blazade, smashlloyd (4)
lynch shubaka: acidphoenix (1)
lynch formerhope: walrein (1)
lynch walrein: asek, cancerous, blank slate (3)
lynch moodycloud: lightwolf, vanillish wafer (2)
lynch cancerous: texas cloverleaf (1)
lynch fort colorcastle: haruno (1)
lynch blank slate: Moodycloud (1)
lynch butteredtoast: pancake (1)
current count
lynch shubaka: acidphoenix (1)
lynch formerhope: walrein (1)
lynch walrein: asek, cancerous, blank slate (3)
lynch moodycloud: lightwolf, vanillish wafer (2)
lynch cancerous: texas cloverleaf (1)
lynch fort colorcastle: haruno (1)
lynch blank slate: Moodycloud (1)
lynch butteredtoast: pancake (1)
current count
How does my post encourage being defensive exactly, how is blazade's post 166 good content and how are Lightwolf's scumreads in post 150 really good? Like I've checked all of those and they don't seem to match with the description you make of them so I'm perplexed
Alright, just gonna warn you all:
4 HOURS AND 15 MINUTES TO DL.
4 HOURS AND 15 MINUTES TO DL.
Ok but you just described every NOC I've ever played
above post aimed at pancake
I'm not sold on a haruno lynch at all as I don't see how it gives insight on player interactions but also because his behavior seem coherent with what I've seen in past NOCs. That being said he would do well to contribute more to the discussion than defending himself and posting lynch rssp1.
I'm not sold on a haruno lynch at all as I don't see how it gives insight on player interactions but also because his behavior seem coherent with what I've seen in past NOCs. That being said he would do well to contribute more to the discussion than defending himself and posting lynch rssp1.
btw i get the whole player interactions argument but lynching because you think someone is scum > lynching someone for information
because regardless of intent, lynching townies helps the mafia. even if it gives us information, it helps the mafia. if we lynch scum, it doesn't. simple as that.
needless to say this is a point of disagreement i have with asek lmao
because regardless of intent, lynching townies helps the mafia. even if it gives us information, it helps the mafia. if we lynch scum, it doesn't. simple as that.
needless to say this is a point of disagreement i have with asek lmao
The point is that we don't know who is scum so we choose between people we feel may be mafia using the information the flip might give us to decide.
Idk where your post comes from to be honest lol
Idk where your post comes from to be honest lol
honestly this is rly funny because I didn't even LYNCH you and you became super defensive, like so defensive that you had to post THREE TIMES in order to say exactly how much you found my scumread alarming. this also kind of answers your first question so lol
LightWolf's scumTELLS not scumreads. I like what he caught about you in that post because you were being inconsistent (citation: see that post). Blazade's content was good because he was correcting a number of misconceptions had by the other players.
unvote lynch moodycloud for being super defensive
Keep in mind this is role madness, lynch your scum reads, odds are you'll get information from whatever roles people use.
Same as walrein, just woke up etc, cancerous case in a bit
Same as walrein, just woke up etc, cancerous case in a bit
lol
yeah I get that my suspicion towards walrein is mostly a gut feeling and all over the place but you sure are jumpy, how am I being super defensive I just thought what you had stated in your post just wasn't true and I still do.
yeah I get that my suspicion towards walrein is mostly a gut feeling and all over the place but you sure are jumpy, how am I being super defensive I just thought what you had stated in your post just wasn't true and I still do.
I haven't seen any case made against me other than "wait I don't agree that walrein behaved like that" and "OMG SEE GUYS LIGHTWOLF WAS RIGHT HE'S DEFENSIVE" so if you care to make a case I'm willing to respond to it !
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