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You know when you have poor actvity and content it means I can't pull up an ISO's worth of evidence to build a strict case but that doesn't mean that your votes can't take you off the null bubble and into actual suspicion. This is what i do when I'm stuck with a player that's offering jack shit either by playing well or idling, I read their vote as their intention.

I've been jumping around to read wagons and reactions, sue me for pressuring. I don't care if you don't think that I haven't producing reasoning or content, my posts are my concise, best reasoning for my current scumreads and I'm not just gonna let that attempt to discredit slide.
 
LightWolf said:
Also Moody I can't believe you STILL WANT TO LYNCH SMASH. I specifically tried to not bring it up again just so scum may forget, but to call you out I will say we aren't lynching the public tracker claim, the mafia can deal with that one for us, if not he keeps giving us info on top of info.
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What if he's scum and doesn't die, will you keep buying his claim? It isn't viable long-term but I get why you wouldn't want to lynch him today.
Yes lightwolf if you could clearly state what makes you think I am scum I could answer, because I don't get how my scumread on walrein (and I was probably wrong on that one) justified subjectively by laying down my impressions of his posts early day 1 is any evidence that I am scum.
 
lynch blankslate: lloyd, pancake (2)
lynch moody: lightwolf, acidphoenix, texas, butteredtoast, martin (5)
lynch lloyd: moody (2)
lynch aubisio: blank slate (1)
lynch pancake: blazade (1)

i believe this is the current count
 
A. You claimed there were PLURAL cases of walrein brushing off accusations via jokes, only provided one after a hard pressed argument you should, and that didn't work in context.
B. I have quoted at least two times where rather than address someeone's suspicions on you, you call them scum or say they are jump happy, essentially light ad hominem sprinkled in with OMGUS.
C. Despite jumping off Walrein saying it was mostly to pressure him you never actually state what your conclusion on him was you literally just drop it without fanfare.
D Some points from my mega post:
#87 First mention on suspicion on Walrein. Never paid that much attention to Walrein's town reads argument before, but reading through the thread he mostly called out people plenty would agree on, BT's pro town posts and asek+haruno for playstyles. Every other one was more or less jokes, so that is actual quite the small sample of fairly not really questionable choices for most people. At that point in time it didn't really hold up.
#159 Dislike how none of Walrein's actual point on Former Hope were addressed at all and simply painted as jump on another guy when judging the post. Also ass later pointed out, we were barely out of RQS and the first proactive thing done was p much a bandwagon on Walrein, accusing him of being reactive is pointless.
#172 Very noncommittal way of trying to make me look more suspicious without actually having anything on me.
#206 I'm p sure the deal here is already obvious. That being said, I find it interesting that this doesn't say Walrein is a okay now and still paints a picture where Walrein could be scum.
#212 Make a damn case why about 166 and 150 then dammit if they are that bad?
#217 When was the haruno lynch ever stated to be about interaction rewards upon flipping? This seems like a blatant attempt at pushing the walrein lynch, the only lynch described to have the quality Moody claims haruno's lacks. Considering he later voted Blank Slate who makes his name proud this also seems hypocritical to specifically call out. Also already called out that people being consistent in behavior is not a diminishing point, everyone tries to do that.
#226 Feels like a weirdly calm reaction after being called too defensive, also another case of ot tackling the argument rather targeting the person. This borders on making it an attack on the personality what with "scum or jumpy af town"
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Also no, AT WORST, smash will if lying cause ONE mislynch, and then DIES FOR IT. That's one of the best trades we can physically make! Lynching him for the claim is the most idiotic thing to do period just because he could be scum, you could be scum too and you will then use your reasonings to lynch villagers down the line, clearly we should lynch you(yes this was sarcasm).
 
MoodyCloud said:
What if he's scum and doesn't die, will you keep buying his claim? It isn't viable long-term but I get why you wouldn't want to lynch him today.
Yes lightwolf if you could clearly state what makes you think I am scum I could answer, because I don't get how my scumread on walrein (and I was probably wrong on that one) justified subjectively by laying down my impressions of his posts early day 1 is any evidence that I am scum.
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The problem is his claim is verifiable by yours truly since i idled last night , and the fact that I never acknowledged was due to not wanting to bring more attention to him than needed since a tracker is very valuable for us which is why I wouldn't want to lynch him and why I didn't call him out on idlers.
 
That's juicy info, however saddening it can be. At least now the scum and omniguard (if that's what happened with lightwolf having 3 (4?) actions fail on him) can have a nice fun game of pick a target any target.
 
Not really, it's to prevent smash from going under suspicion later on for that claim at least since moody seems intent on pushing anyone off the bus as long as it's not him.
 
No because the lie wouldn't be his role but his alignment in a game like this and also everyone but moody had tabled the discussion

More importantly moody should respond to lightwolf and everyone should make commited reads about people that aren't moody or blankslate
 
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Walrein said:
observe me all you want i'm very photogenic
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Ticked me off
fort colorcastle you're a PS player right? you're doing the thing PS players do where you make constant references to rssp1 regardless of whether or not he's relevant and i just wanna confirm
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is another joke post at a time when he was being pressured which made me identify a trend, but I most likely overreacted on that one. A player like walrein only starting to pressure people when he had votes starting to pile on him was concerning and unexpectedly not proactive on his part.

B. Yeah your nitpicking of what was mostly an early day 1 gut feeling did prompt this kind of response and pancake's "I idled for most of day1 but lets lynch moody and keep telling him he's really bad in half the posts I make" honestly didnt seem to deserve any better of a response.

C. I got discussion going and am still doing it as people narrow down their vision on whether to lynch me or not, which unfortunately is very bad news for town but shit happens. I decided against trying to lynch walrein by half of day 1 and I waited to see the cancerous flip to decide on how I was reading him, well he got killed so that goes out the window and while we're at it why would I have killed walrein if I wanted to cast shade on him? Most of the early wagon on walrein seem to be town though I dislike asek's day 2 contribution which seem mostly focused on commenting the bandwagons and going along with them.

D. Yeah I am far from persuaded you're town as killing walrein and pushing the people who had attacked him would be a valid scum move and imo you've been pushing the obvious wagons way too hard day2 while letting a bunch of people remain unpressured. Nonetheless you're making discussion happen and that's good so for now I see no point in lynching you. Reacting to being called defensive by someone who came out of nowhere to say "yeah he looks scummy af let's vote him" without much of a risk taken or contribution doesn't seem to be any reason to lynch me.

I will add that claiming tracker was completely unnecessary from smashlloyd and came at a time where suspicion of him appeared to be growing. Now haruno goes out of his way to confirm, also staing have a role that has a reason to be idled and potentialy giving himself away to scum. Now maybe lloyd is just a fairly inactive town tracker but that seems fishy as fuck.
 
not to be a spoil sport, but what timezone is the deadline running on, because if it's New York time we have 1.5 hours left.

Also of course the discussion got tabled, as both me and Haruno said we didn't want to bring more attention to the fucking tracker claim. And I explained why it doesn't matter if he is a scum tracker, he needs to lie to mislead us, if he lies he dies, AND WE BENEFIT because a 1 for 1 is the town's dream.
 
Why are players considering lynching an investigative role without at least trying to proof test him? If we can't get an inspect on Lloyd, we can build a test pool of 4 or 5 players he RNGs for a watch target. It's not perfect since we'd be relying on the c/d of the player he posts results on the next day, but at least it's something.

Haruno said:
The bigger issue I have is what exactly do we expect to see from the walrein flip since that should be the next focus going into n2 since most likely whoever we lynch will stay unrevealed going into n2. So what we really have going into n2 that would be new information would be what walrein ended up being. Blazade LightWolf Texas Cloverleaf pancake Blank Slate2356 KnightsofCydonia Whydon thoughts on what we'll get with the flip? Mostly based off of what will happen if walrein ends up flipping as scum/village/wolf and what it would that would implicate other users of.
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I covered some possibilities for town!Walrein vs scum!Walrein in #327. However, my reads have progressed since then, as I've taken the time to examine and reexamine some of the players in question. Most recently, I've taken the "bad play" reads on Moody into consideration and tried to weigh my read on the likelihood of scum!Moody vs VI!Moody. It would really help if he wasn't so taciturn about his reads/votes.

And as I'm typing he actually provides his D1 case. Fina-fucking-lly.

Moving on.

Not okay with lynching: Color (that D1 towntell about proper voting is generally a detriment to scum), Light (unless Walrein flips scum, he's a solid Townread for me), Lloyd (test him before you talk about lynching)

Maybe okay with lynching: Vanillish (big hypocrisy in calling out idlers without trying to increase his own activity)

"Maybe okay" list is unfinished, will need to do some more rereads.
 
Yeah so maybe if you won't lynch lloyd you should put pressure on people to try and figure other targets. Or you can keep it like that and say woops when I'll flip in two cycles, but the next you can assume I'm scum and mislynch blankslate I guess.
 
I'll also add that I lean scum on shubaka, vanillish wafer and pancake though the latter might just be town taking the lynchbait. Lynchbait which originated from lightwolf and was picked up quickly and easily by a bunch of people might I add.
 
Okay that was a lot of cherrypicking there, like you didn't address anything under D... You just attacked me under that point. As for B, you did the exact same thing today too, so it's not just a day 1 thing, it's a repeated offense and yes it is blatant omgus, disprove the accusation not the accuser.\

C You got not discussion going, this is the second time you claimed that, Asek did. Asek started the walrein wagon, got it to 3 votes and then Walrein reacted to it, you jumped on afterwards. I have no problem with you finding ACTUAL problems with walrein at that point, but trying to rewrite history to make the events favour your towniness is not fine by me. And the rest of your reply to C is literally a wifom argument. Here is a good reason why you'd kill walrein, he was not getting lynched, people found him overall trustworthy and you could pin a decent sized suspicion on those who had been voting him at the end of the day or me who "sucked up"to him, while you as one who doubted him but came around is in a nice neutral position there. See it's easy to come up with a polethora of reason to do and not to do it, therefore it's not an argument EITHER WAY.

A I like seriously this is all I wanted to hear, you admitting being wrong and the posts you specified not existing. Though you still don't acknowledge the proactivity argument doesn't work and was also just as farfetched, NO ONE ACTED TILL ASEK DID AND ASEK VOTED WALREIN. Of course anything Walrein does will be reactionary to that. What you did was literally just as reactionary. This kind of hypocrisy around you signalling out Walrein there and then and later about other stuff is my problem.
 
MoodyCloud said:
is another joke post at a time when he was being pressured which made me identify a trend, but I most likely overreacted on that one. A player like walrein only starting to pressure people when he had votes starting to pile on him was concerning and unexpectedly not proactive on his part.
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That was in response to a joke in response to yet a third joke. In a pre-existing chain of jokes, you're complaining about that comment being a joke? 10/10 would find convincing again. not.
 
DL is in EST I'm pretty sure since that's what we've been using the entirety of the game up to this point and if he suddenly decides to change timezones then fuck all logic so DL is in an hour and 18min.
 
MoodyCloud said:
I'll also add that I lean scum on shubaka, vanillish wafer and pancake though the latter might just be town taking the lynchbait. Lynchbait which originated from lightwolf and was picked up quickly and easily by a bunch of people might I add.
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LightWolf said:
Also don't play the look how many people are voting you card, there are 19 player alive this game and there was nothing else happening, 5-6 votes who find you are scummy is not def scum pushing this lynch material.
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MoodyCloud Was #566 aimed at me? Because I don't have a vote on you and I'm still trying to weigh you while I'm sorting through the rest of my null pile. Expecting me to jump your ass while I'm going through yet another reread is not helping your case.
 
I stated my scumlean on walrein and pressured the wagon to force reactions, in that regarde I attempted to make discussion happen, and you can't really argue that a bunch of discussion aside from the one created by the walrein wagon happened when way too much players are only considering blankslate or me.

Yes I do tend to react in an annoyed manner when I keep being pestered about my attempt to share my doubts at a point in the game where no evidence or vote interactions really existed yet. Pancake's posts being the culminating point of that while also being ad hominem attacks.
Asek did vote walrein first, then his aggressive demeanor seemed to disappear into thin air as he appeared content with the wagons forming. That rings an alarming bell for me.

I'd honestly be salty if people who dropped a vote after idling lynched me without even questioning things and without bothering to check before deadline in case something made them change their minds. Martin acidphoenix ButteredToast My blood is on your hands
 
Post 566 was aimed at lightwolf, who is telling me why we can't lynch lloyd but appearing to be satisfied with the state of today's lynch, and from my PoV this lynch is going towards a mislynch but also doesn't net village nearly enough pressure and insight into the idlers. Town seem to be setting itself up for disaster and not reacting to it by trying to pressure other players and figure out whether they're right about this or not.
 
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