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There isn't really one standard, but the combination of Arcanine/Tapu Fini/Kartana is really common. Tapu Koko, Garchomp, Porygon2, Ninetales, and Snorlax are all fairly common partners for it. Trick Room teams with Hariyama/Porygon2/Araquanid/Mimikyu are also kinda common, Rain and Sun exist, and Celesteela/Marowak/Gastrodon/Porygon2 is still a thing.
Arcanine / Tapu Fini / Kartana / Garchomp / two of Koko, Snorlax, P2, and Ninetales
VGC only allows Pokemon that have been caught/bred in Sun/Moon, so gonna need a new Arcanine.
Just had the quick match of my life. I got absolutely crushed.
Using Metagross/Garchomp/Tapu Fini/Porygon2/Vikavolt/Arcanine.
Opponent started with Pheromosa and Nihilego, and I figured my best counter to these particular pokemon were Metagross and Arcanine.
Doesn't really matter what I chose to do since Pheromosa (Special Atk) all out pummelling into my Metagross was a OHKO and so was Nihilego into Arcanine.
My next two pokemon, Porygon2 and Vikavolt come out and again, OHKO Focus Blast onto Porygon2 as well as from Nihilego into Vikavolt, not that this mattered.
Two questions -
1) Did I pick the right lead if you knew he was going to start with these two?
2) The one I am more curious about, how on earth did the All Out Pummelling OHKO Metagross? I'm checking damage calcs and it doesn't work. I have a 252HP/52 SpD Adamant Metagross
Using Metagross/Garchomp/Tapu Fini/Porygon2/Vikavolt/Arcanine.
Opponent started with Pheromosa and Nihilego, and I figured my best counter to these particular pokemon were Metagross and Arcanine.
Doesn't really matter what I chose to do since Pheromosa (Special Atk) all out pummelling into my Metagross was a OHKO and so was Nihilego into Arcanine.
My next two pokemon, Porygon2 and Vikavolt come out and again, OHKO Focus Blast onto Porygon2 as well as from Nihilego into Vikavolt, not that this mattered.
Two questions -
1) Did I pick the right lead if you knew he was going to start with these two?
2) The one I am more curious about, how on earth did the All Out Pummelling OHKO Metagross? I'm checking damage calcs and it doesn't work. I have a 252HP/52 SpD Adamant Metagross
If it can be bred to have the move in Sun/Moon, it is legal.
Well, there's a difference between legal and viable :P
It's an Egg Move, so Hariyama can be have it. The matter is finding room for it.
I think that Metagross was an understandable choice given Nihelgo. However Nihelgo outspeeds and KOs most Arcanine, and hitting Pheremosa SE doesn't really make a difference. A lot of Pheremosa run sash and it can't survive a neutral hit regardless. I didn't know she KO'd Metagross with Pummeling, but also yo couldn't have known it was a special variant either. You don't really have anything that wants to eat an attack from her though. Extremespeed + Bullet Punch might have been the play if you didn't mind losing Arcanine. P2 is out of the question since you know it can't take a hit from Pheremosa. I think Garchomp/Metagross would have been the play, followed by a Metagross switch into Vikavolt on the EQ. If Nihelgo/Pheremosa had HP Ice you would have lost regardless though.
Yeah I've been thinking about it. Only two options I have both involve a Metagross lead. If i lead Arcanine then priority double into pheromosa, which would leave Metagross alive, or i lead porygon and i either get rid Nihilego or i get trick room up, at the cost of one pokemon and chip damage to the other
Obviously he can swap out nihilego in the second option so it's not ideal for me. Priority double is probably the better play
What are the most common choice-scarfed revenge killers in VGC right now?
Mons which commonly run scarf include Garchomp, Tapu Lele, Porygon-Z, and Kartana, but their roles are rather different since the idea of a "revenge killer" doesn't really exist in VGC the way it does in singles metas.
What, if any, Hidden Power do each of the Tapus run?
Some sets of Tapu Koko run HP Ice for Garchomp
Some sets for Tapu Lele run HP Fire to catch Kartana offguard
But instances of using HP in VGC17 are very rare
Only HP Fire Lele I have seen carried scarf so it could outspeed and revenge kill Kartana.
Otherwise I think those are the only two HP sets run by Tapu
poliwrath is not a very good pokemon i suggest smogon dex might have some though
if it wasn't vgc id say u could have it have power up punch wait a min ill look at its moves and make a set
Poliwrath@ normalium Z
252 Att/252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Belly Drum
-Earthquake
-Brick Break
-Waterfall
try that out then
EDIT: z splash can also be used
Which is arguably more common? I'm trying to decide if it's worth continuing to SR for HP Fire or if I should just take the HP Ice one that I'm sitting on.