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Simple Bibarel + Nasty Plot (or Charge Beam)

Bologo said:
Superpower seems like a terrible move to use with Simple though, because stat drops are doubled too, so a lot of the effort baton passing to it will be gone after you use it. I suppose it is good as a last resort move though.
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then again if you've got 885 atk/482 speed what does it matter what your defenses are
 
Well, I like the surprise element that comes with being swept by Bibarel, rather than just having it wall some attacks... -_-

Anywho... it seems that general consensus puts Atk Bibarel higher than Sp. Atk Bibarel... So I guess I'll make mine Atk with Return/Waterfall/Shadow Ball/Superpower(or Focus Punch) But... what about an EV spread?
252 Atk, but I guess I'll use the speed tables to find out how much Speed with a Salac Berry it'll need to outpace most threats. And then spread the rest into defenses? I'm not so great (all right, I suck) at making EV spreads (actually, this game in general, but I still have fun with it), so help is appreciated.
 
I use a bibarel with charge beam holding a salac berry. I put endure on it too so it definately consumes the berry, and since simple doubles speed and special attack, I've got a bibarel that outspeeds basically everything and has 400+ special attack after one charge beam (if it doesn't get in any more). It's fun to use
 
majesty said:
what if you BP'd some a swords dance and a few speed boosts from a ninjask up on OU? What can he really do for physical?
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Your expreiences might differ, but in OU I've found that Bibarel is way too fragile to come in on most attacks. And after 3 speed boosts, you cant really chain to a slower dude to tank the hit either. Really your best option is to either predict and pass when your opponent does something irrelevant (DD, Spikes, taunt, etc.) and then sweep or, you can try to sneak in a sub and pass it to Bibarel so that he's protected on his free hit.
 
Mr. McPeaches said:
I'm pretty sure that Simple's double effect is on the "amount of moves used" i.e. one NP is two NPs w/ simple (which is only a x3 bonus), instead of x2 bonus doubled to make x4...

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I'm sorry if this post is unintelligible... I'm pretty tired and it's late, so yeah.
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You are correct. A sharply raised stat(like nasty plot, or any other 2 stage) on someone with simple does cause the stat to be raised x3
 
I have been using bibarel for a long time but I never knew how much boosts was I giving him........say I BPed him 6 Dragon Dances....is it +12?
 
No, it would not be +12, he still caps at 6 like everyone else. So, you'd only need to pass him 3 DDs.

I mean, I guess I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive that Simple does not allow Bibarel to pass the stat boost cap. Essentially, after two NPs, it'd say "His Sp. Atk. can't go higher".
 
pewpewlazerzman said:
ok, i meant 1 stage which is about half that much attack.
Cant edit cause im bout to be banned or something
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*sigh*.



Okay, anyways, I think superpower WOULD be a legit option, again as a last resort. I guess it is like throwing in the towel after your hit, but isn't there another move that does that? Oh right, a few...explosion, to name one. Definately when you know your bell is about to be rung whip it out.:cloud:
 
Bologo post more about this special Bibarel. You are the Bibarel expert on these forums.

My opinion is it can work, but the three Nasty Plot passers are all Normal. This makes it more than a little redudant in terms of coverage. Is Bibarel beating Blissey like Togekiss does? Does it make sense to pass from Ambipom to Bibarel, since they will be walled by the same things? It is better at sweeping than Smeargle, but who uses Smeargle for sweeping?

In short, almost anything else would be better at using those NP's. Aeroblactyl raised a very good point with Yanmega. It can sweep without a boost, now give it one? In short, there are better things to receive the boosts.
 
There is Plusle/Minun in UU for passing Nasty Plot, but if you're talking about using Simple Bibarel in OU to receive Nasty Plots, it's generally just not a good idea.

If you want to use Charge Beam Bibarel, give it a bulkier spread (Bibarel's HP is actually quite nice), and let it do its own dirty work. It basically gets a psuedo Nasty Plot with Charge Beam, so it can manage on its own.

If you want to use Simple Bibarel in OU, you need to pass Attack/Speed mking Ninjask obviously the best passer for him, since Bibarel's attack is much much higher than his special attack. Seriously, after a maximum boost, Bibarel's special attack barely breaks 900. Now take something like Porygon-Z, who with 1 Nasty Plot reaches 810...you need to use Bibarel's big advantages and make him use his attack which can at least reach a respectable 1180 after a maximum boost to tear things up much easier.

Heh, Hyra I do love Bibarel, but I'm more of an Unaware expert than a Simple expert, but I posted anyway. :P
 
Swimrunner said:
then again if you've got 885 atk/482 speed what does it matter what your defenses are
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A lot. Priority moves and subbreakers are quite prevalent. When sub's down, if you've got nonexistent defenses and can't take a hit, what does 885 atk/482 spd matter?
 
Unaware is only oblivious of the foe's stat changes, not yours. So an Unaware Bibarel using Superpower would still lower its Attack and Defense by one stage.

Unaware Bibarel would also be awesome in an evasion metagame (i.e. one with Double Team/Minimize allowed) as it ignores them too. :)
 
Yeah, Unaware only ignores the opponent's stat changes, but unfortunately ignores speed ones. I rather like Unaware still, because it counters a lot of stuff that would normally be ready to sweep a team badly. Things such as a DDed up Gyarados can't take Bibarel easily, because, although they are faster, two of Gyarados's common attacks, Ice Fang and Waterfall are resisted by Bibarel, and Bibarel can have defensive EVs to take things such as Earthquake with no problem, and just keep on Super Fanging til that thing is dead. Same goes for CM Cresselia or annoying things like CM Blissey.
 
Bologo, which is better, in your opinion- Charge Beam Simple Bibarel, or Salac Swords Dance Passed Simple Bibarel? (SSDPSB)

I was thinking of making an Absol pass Bibarel a Swords Dance & a Salac boost... I'm very inexperienced at battling, so conceptually, would this work out?
 
Well, if you want to rely on luck for Charge Beam's boosts, then use the special charge beam simple version.

If you want to have a reliable set up, then I would use the Salac Swords Dance, since it has great STAB which is only resisted by Empoleon, and even has 2 moves to kill Empoleon.

Unfortunately, if you want to do this on Shoddy, you're out of luck since none of Bibarel's abilities are implimented, which severely neuters the poor guy.
 
And of course there IS a problem that comes toward the Swords Dance variant, and that would be Intimidate. Even though one Swords Dance would equal as two, one Intimidate would equal two Intimidates. Sucks really. Something like Choice Band... it's ok to try I guess. But you're really pushing your chances on something like Simple Bibarel on the physical side, IMO. You can solve it with Substitute but that still takes a turn to set up (by yourself anyways) and that still puts you at risk.
 
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