NOC Why is there a gun in my popcorn? GAME OVER SCUM WIN

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Thetwinmasters said:
I dislike AG because of his idea that shooting people in order to "validate" their reads is a good idea especially somebody with reads that are just air in empoof.
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If you have a reason why that idea (which, while I'm not the first to suggest it, I will stand by) is a bad one, then by all means give it. As for Empoof specifically, given my analysis of his posts, and the verdict I gave, I feel that he will develop over a couple cycles (which is a minimum I gave) into someone whose opinions are worth knowing 100% re: are they valid or not. By which I mean: his reads don't feel like just air to me.
 
empoof's reads are nothing but air, he hasn't given a reason for anything he's said.

without reasons reads are worthless, easily shiftable later to make scum look better in retrospect.
 
Yeti said:
there are no 'lock clears'

to even suggest such seems like you are a. mafia and b. want a village player to waste a shot on another

should you convince some buffoon to waste a shot on me, you can then say my alignment of town means nothing about your alignment being scum and blah blah

i think it's suboptimal gameplay to try and transfer the shot to a "competent" villager whose reads you agree with more or whatever for the record, at the expense of a village life. hence why i think the haruno shot is p junk unless someone builds a case on him to be mafia cause i'm not seeing it rn. we should always be aiming for the most suspicious user, ultimately if the gunbearer is intelligent and invested in the game they will follow their own town reads' suggestions to some degree and aim properly.

the mafia clearly must've found texas more volatile than sam or myself (or sam is mafia) and hoped he would get himself out of the game misfiring instantly. this suggests to me the mafia is largely comprised of newer players who have less experience playing a noc with sam/me or older players like flyhn who do have the experience but probably won't have been vocal about it.

likely people who would try and set up a d1 misfire onto texas or blazade (who else is deemed 'good' ? josh ?) over me/sam:
Hitmonleet
MoodyCloud
winter-delta
Fort Colorcastle
DeathByWobbuffet
Former Hope
Martin

I think the shot should be within these 7 users. barring some evident scumslip

those who have played with them, who do you find most likely to suggest/support texas as the d1 gunbearer OR not hold an opinion any which way?
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that's an excellent point. makes the FoS on US even bigger.

Empoof said:
If my goal was to hard bus yeti, I'm doing it perfectly and deserve credit for it imo. Don't think I would do that to her as a partner since I consider her a good player who could live for a while.

I don't think we should shoot her yet but I still think she's mafia. If she's town she'll probably have good reads to shoot off of later in the game.
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oh shoot yeti is female I'm so sorry! let's ignore the fact that her title says queen of unclesam's village
But uh any sort of bussing inherently uses WIFOM, and yeah this rock-solid bussing you're doing is certainly creditable.
 
hi sorry I have a lot more important things on my plate rn than this game

I don't really know how to approach this game because tbqh we don't even get to lynch so anyone can pressure anyone without it meaning jack shit unless the specific gunbearer is feeling similarly

Also there's legit nothing to 'pressure' off of because again there's no lynch so it's not like most people are really doing anything they're just blathering

I guess I'm a bit apathetic towards NOCs and this in particular because there's not much to talk about outside of 'I THINK X WOULD GIVE Y THE GUN BECAUSE Z' where Z is some spurious armchair psychology and X is someone who you hold a personal grudge against

I guess I may as well just act like it's a normal NOC in terms of how people buddy each other though:
-Hitmonleet and Aura Guardian both are trying to be proactive and analyze things in a meaningful manner. I think that both are mostly pulling things out of their ass but at least they're trying
-Fort Colorcastle seems to be trying really hard but not saying much, I think he is a definite scum read for me and imo probably the best shot today in terms of odds of mafia
-Haruno is Haruno. Honestly I think a decent play might be to shoot someone who Haruno wants this cycle that isn't Haruno because I think that's the best way to determine his alliance; also I think that he would have a decent chance of picking mafia if he is village while also having as good a chance as anyone of bussing a teammate if mafia and pushed to it. I think that shooting him would be a bit of a mistake given he apparently has a history with Texas (?) that others might know about
-Empoof reads town to me, I don't think he plays this ridiculously without having nothing to fear
-Twin is behaving a bit strangely this game, not posting much and when he does post it's mostly fluff; someone more in tune with Twin's life should comment on whether Twin has been more busy than usual lately
-I've got no read on Da Letter El yet but that should change pretty soon, I tend to find him suspicious in NOCs and most of the time I'm right so take that for what it's worth (nothing)
-Yeti is a qt
-Asek I have like no memories of meaningful posts in this game which is a bit weird, I guess I would've expected otherwise so I'd say I'd wanna pressure him more
-Flyhn has been afk as far as I can tell
-Former Hope I mostly remember as posting bandwagon shit in this thread so more pressure on him would be good too. Same with winter-delta
-Jalmont is either resigned town or resigned mafia, I'd say pressure him more but eh not sure it would amount to anything; he's experienced enough I'd throw him on the pressure pile after Fort Colorcastle and Asek
-Blazade I don't like his play so far, but hell I wouldn't like my play so far either so shrug. I don't think he'd be a good shot and again I'd say maybe a bit more pressure but WTF IS THERE TO PRESSURE OFF OF ITG
-Josh I don't like nearly as much as Texas does but I'd throw him in the null category next to Haruno. Haven't seen a ton out of him lately (aka last two pages) though?
-Has shubaka even done anything? I'd be ok shooting him tbh he seems like the sort of person who might gun Texas
-DeathbyWobbuffett is AFK I'm pretty sure so let's ping him here DeathByWobbuffet and see if he responds; if he doesn't then I'd say consider shooting him next day but probably not worthwhile this day
-MoodyCloud I haven't seen anything from lately though he was more active earlier, which is a bit weird to me. No clue as to his typical schedule or timezone though. He's been active enough I wouldn't shoot him though.
-UncleSam is the greatest mafia player in the universe and you are all fortunate to have been allowed to play in a game with him tbh

tl;dr I think that Fort Colorcastle, Asek, Former Hope, winter-delta, and shubaka is the pool of people I'd shoot from (roughly in order) in order to shoot scum. If part of our interest is in preserving discussion rather than simply aiming at the most likely mafia than perhaps winter-delta and shubaka move up the list while Fort Colorcastle moves down.

Also I think that Texas should pressure at least 2-3 idle players under threat of getting shot then shoot whoever he thinks is most likely to be mafia regardless of activity. Imo the value of 'preserving discussion' is meaningless itg because if you shoot someone who is village they don't die but you do; the result is that if you are contributing to discussion (like Texas is), then you should be trying to shoot someone who you think has the best odds of being mafia and therefore keeping you around for another cycle if you shoot them. I'd be most comfortable shooting someone from the above list though Flyhn and DeathbyWobbuffett should be added to the list if both continue their hardcore idling
 
Okay i'm back for a bit
Yeti said:
Anyway who is the biggest threat to u
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Nobody really. Kinda looking forward to my own turn with the gun actually, i have interesting ideas about how to use it
Yeti said:
who do you find most likely to suggest/support texas as the d1 gunbearer OR not hold an opinion any which way?
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Can't really be too sure, i'll have to read back on games Texas was in and see any misreads he had. Maybe we could somehow meta clear someone that way? And then we can form potential scum from that pool as well.. hold on i'll get on that
 
Oh ya and people not posting somewhat comprehensive lists of reads is always terrible in a noc so people should be doing that, in a game like this there's absolutely nothing to fear unless you're mafia
 
I don't think I was bandwagoning anywhere? Of the two posts I remember making in the game this far one was speculation which ended up being wifom (a term I didn't know prior to this game) and the second was clearly a joke
 
Okay forget what i just said, not completely reading a 110 page game just to get a few meta reads, don't really have the time for that (though if someone else wants to do so, go right ahead ^w^). However, i still want to be productive, so i took the liberty of giving a list of players whose posting patterns i find a bit off. This includes shubaka, winter-delta, Former Hope, and to a lesser extent MoodyCloud and Asek.

Also no US i haven't been as afk as you seem to think. Some of the people on this list have been though, and i honestly expect more given my history in games with them (shubaka in particular, where you at?)
 
UncleSam said:
-Haruno is Haruno. Honestly I think a decent play might be to shoot someone who Haruno wants this cycle that isn't Haruno because I think that's the best way to determine his alliance; also I think that he would have a decent chance of picking mafia if he is village while also having as good a chance as anyone of bussing a teammate if mafia and pushed to it. I think that shooting him would be a bit of a mistake given he apparently has a history with Texas (?) that others might know about
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i just re read this and what the fuck?

how does this in anyway help to put a frame onto harunos allegiance when if hes town hes going off of DAY 1 CONTENT ONLY? I know im town so im guessing this is scum trying to get me or some1 else from harunos list shot and when we get gun say 'welp harunos probably scum then'.

yeah i dont buy into this or a lot of the other stuff you're saying in your big post
FoS unclesam
 
this is probably going to be screamed at for being filler, but it always offsets me when I see FoS used as a verb xD

ok to make this less filler, flynn makes 4 posts in a short period of time after US calls him out for afk'ing. Which I guess is what he's supposed to do?
I'm never sure what you're supposed to do when someone calls you out for afk'ing when you're actually not followign the thread. If you start talking after a ping, people accuse you of lurking. If you don't start, they call you an ilder and probably sub you out. /me ?_?

actually that's still filler. dammit whatever idgaf
 
Fort Colorcastle said:
flynn makes 4 posts in a short period of time after US calls him out for afk'ing. Which I guess is what he's supposed to do?
I'm never sure what you're supposed to do when someone calls you out for afk'ing when you're actually not followign the thread
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A) I already had more posts than people he DIDN'T call out, despite listing. That's where the real rub with that post is
B) I have been following the thread, just got sidetracked today. I was checking it from my phone at school as often as i could get away with
C) I unfortunately have to go to bed after this post, so uh... yeah

Also, Texas i wouldn't have DBW in that list, they're always an idler regardless of alignment, and if it's a miss an idling townie isn't exactly an optimal gunbarer.
 
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