Totally Relevant Vote on UncleSam
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NOC Why is there a gun in my popcorn? GAME OVER SCUM WIN
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so uh some of his reads rubbed me the wrong way. esp the clear contradiction at some points.
I don't like how he completely ignores Yeti in his readslist.
Also that read on shubaka? that's the "there's not much to talk about outside of 'I THINK X WOULD GIVE Y THE GUN BECAUSE Z' where Z is some spurious armchair psychology and X is someone who you hold a personal grudge against" you just complained about, except without even bothering to give the "BECAUSE Z" part.
Also noting that list as a pool of players you grouped, for if you flip scum.
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this part is important for below
this is also kinda lol for below
I kinda disagree. Aura's logic wasn't too convincing to me, and Leet's logic was just empty imo
why does that sound like the same thing as ^, except worded differently and with a different conclusion?
if he's scum, that might give insight into his thought processes, but as asek said, town has like nada to work off of right now.
XD that's an interesting way of looking at things. it does kinda ring true though, like texas on cancerous in OCNOC day 1.
I moved this up to referene it in the next two things
see ^
see ^
I'll shuffle things so all his nonsubstantial/idler reads are here
I don't like how he completely ignores Yeti in his readslist.
Also that read on shubaka? that's the "there's not much to talk about outside of 'I THINK X WOULD GIVE Y THE GUN BECAUSE Z' where Z is some spurious armchair psychology and X is someone who you hold a personal grudge against" you just complained about, except without even bothering to give the "BECAUSE Z" part.
is this a mafia claim? :P
what happened to "I think he [Fort Colorcastle] is a definite scum read for me and imo probably the best shot today in terms of odds of mafia" ?
Also noting that list as a pool of players you grouped, for if you flip scum.
this seems interesting, especially the suggestion about the gunholder pressuring people.
an idling townie is probably the worst gunbearer, because it gives mafia power again, as well as guaranteeing a town death without anything substantial achieved from it (A conftown dies)
Haruno plays the same way no matter what his alliance is. The quality of his reads tends to be the primary distinguisher between whether he is mafia or village.
I wasn't aware Haruno had a 'hitlist'? Honestly your post doesn't really make sense; like you're literally assuming that Haruno would shoot you as town and that I would somehow know how to manipulate town!Haruno as mafia then try to cast the blame on Haruno??? Like I have that right, right? That's your story?
Twin's post isn't really worthy of a response outside of 'do something'. There's no hypocrisy to telling people to post a list after I posted a list; that is literally the opposite of hypocrisy lmao
That being said I don't really care as long as he has a read: Twin, since you don't wanna post a list because 'HYPOCRISY', who are my teammates then since you're '99% sure'? Say something substantive thx
Also lol Fort Colorcastle pointing out that my strongest scum read was also the first person listed on my 'to shoot' list - that's your big conclusion?
The difference between AG + Leet and you is that AG + Leet are both posting analytical posts, while you're posting a lot but saying very little to pin you down. See the difference?
Your most recent post was a good example. You 'point out' obvious shit in someone's elses' post to pad the length of your own, but don't pin down any concrete positions of your own. Say something original.
Why do I need to name teammates of yours for a scum read?
yeah ur definitely the shot id take today buddy
the failure of many smogon NOC villages is to determine likely teammates, if there's one thing MU players can do at the least it's assemble reasons for scumteams and lynching or not lynching based off that.
sam even screwed that one up in fire and ice noc when he mislynched haunted diamond who had not a single plausible teammate. ppl just dont think enough about the relationships between people in games and instead look at behavior they subjectively find scummy in a vacuum. esp once they start down a mislynch road.
"why do i need to list teammates" well thats a dumb thing for sam to ask considering its d1 and there are no substantial relationship ties yet until ppl get into petty squabbles (see above posts) but its a dumb thing for twin to even ask, if you want someone dead based off your read strongly enough you darn well better make a compelling case for it including likely teammates. if you can't piece that together you should either reconsider your analysis or reread the thread to provide a plausible scumteam to convince ppl with.
i disagree that empoof is more likely to be town than mafia for playing fearless. the only thing mafia have to be afraid of in this game is the gunbearer they chose, there is no lynch, and equally town doesn't have to be afraid of getting nightkilled by the mafia. texas has shown no commentary towards empoof so atm empoof has nothing to be afraid of regarding texas shooting him.
sam even screwed that one up in fire and ice noc when he mislynched haunted diamond who had not a single plausible teammate. ppl just dont think enough about the relationships between people in games and instead look at behavior they subjectively find scummy in a vacuum. esp once they start down a mislynch road.
"why do i need to list teammates" well thats a dumb thing for sam to ask considering its d1 and there are no substantial relationship ties yet until ppl get into petty squabbles (see above posts) but its a dumb thing for twin to even ask, if you want someone dead based off your read strongly enough you darn well better make a compelling case for it including likely teammates. if you can't piece that together you should either reconsider your analysis or reread the thread to provide a plausible scumteam to convince ppl with.
i disagree that empoof is more likely to be town than mafia for playing fearless. the only thing mafia have to be afraid of in this game is the gunbearer they chose, there is no lynch, and equally town doesn't have to be afraid of getting nightkilled by the mafia. texas has shown no commentary towards empoof so atm empoof has nothing to be afraid of regarding texas shooting him.
Answer this yeti is sam more likely to be scum or town in your opinion
I feel like twin is town.
I don't know how I feel about Fort, so he's probably scum.
All of these shots i'm okay with
Yeah I don't have anything to fear. None of my partners are getting shot! I could give you a detailed self meta but this is what my town play is. I'm known for being the easiest read on Mafia Universe :skype_sun: which should be apparent to everyone the more I post.
So are you reading me mafia for making quick reads? I feel like I'm going with intuition and thread flow ~pretty well right now.
i will make the longest post in the game but still manage to have 0 substance if it will appease you
Former Hope is doing nothing and I consider them a ~decent player so if they're town they could make decent shots. He's been mentioned in a lot of people's lists
oh wait I misread that; I somehow managed to skip over the "in preserving discussion rather than" part, leaving it as "If part of our interest is simply aiming as the most likely mafia ..." my bad. That wasn't a conclusion, but my thoughts on your conclusion.unclesam said:
Though I suppose my lack of a conclusion is what you mean by "I'm not saying stuff" ?
So if the contradictions I pointed out in your post, of which two still exist after removing ^ mistake of mine, are "obvious shit in someone's elses' post", then why make the contradictions?
Everyone seems to be scumreading me, so texas should just give me the gun so I can shoot UncleSam.
inconclusive. he got called out for having a bunch of hypocritical posts in the MU hydra game we were town where nobody was familiar with his meta, he will drive conversation and stir up discussion and pressure idlers though so i don't think he's the greatest d1 shot but you can read every prior noc wherein i also state lynching ppl who will drive discussion and idlers is a subpar play. getting into a spat with (insertuserhere) is par for the course of sam's noc play. he will reveal himself as scum or town as the game goes on but i honestly couldn't conclusively say based on d1
nobody can conclusively say anything based on d1, it's just too little information with nothing factual about alignment. just speculation. he hasn't posted enough yet to formulate a proper speculation.
After that.... uh I'd be looking at stuff that happens day 2 as well, but probably one of US's townreads.
i'm reading you as shady for making a bunch of completely unsubstantiated reads that enable you to retroactively claim they were stream of consciousness reads or extremely strong gut reads depending on the situation.
every post of yours is a one liner which i find consistently suspicious from people who i expect better from. i felt this was dyachei's top scumtell in that championship game she was in with DLE.
defend your reads or i consider them bogus. if you provide no justification for why you think sam and asek can never be mafia together that statement is utterly worthless and can be twisted to whatever suits your purposes later in the game. elaborated content is much harder to spin.
Sam and Asek never shove on eachother or interact the way they did in the back and forth before my post as mafia partners. There's no reason for either of them to do so at that point in the game. They're both heavily discrediting each other.
I kind of just do one liners for the most part.
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