NOC Why is there a gun in my popcorn? GAME OVER SCUM WIN

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Yes, this is what i've been hinting at, i want EXPLANATION of the townreads on me, stop just sheeping others. Independent thought folks, you shouldn't just tr someone because "X other person i townread says they're town" or "This ONE thing they did is really townie". Some of you are giving me a bit too much credit, and it's just offputting
 
Last time Flyhn was this universally townread, he was SK

The fact that (seemingly) not a single person is dissenting means that most if not all of the mafia is ok with Flyhn holding the "never shoot this person" card, which means one of three things:

1. Mafia is confident in their ability to outplay Flyhn in a final 3 scenario

2. Flyhn is mafia

3. Mafia fucked up and backed themselves into a corner by all townreading Flyhn

Conclusion: I'm going to ISO Flyhn later

In the meantime, discuss
 
I really need to stop being the guy who's desperate for subs.

New Vote: Let dead Townies sub in, Yes or No?

Once again, dead players are allowed to vote. Any results will take place immediately after achieving majority.
 
question for everyone but especially Yeti

in a game like this, where the only people that really matter are one (maybe two) townies plus the mafia, do you think sam would be more likely to become uninvested as a townie or as mafia?

i ask this because my gut reaction was to say that uninvested sam is more likely to be mafia sam, as i find that he has a tendency to become engaged against his will when he's actively scumhunting; however, like i said, townies barely matter in this game unless they have the gun/are flyhn, apparently, so it's possible sam may simply have become bored with that

(of course it's also possible i'm being paranoid and he's legit just irl busy but whatever)
 
Let's start with Flyhn, I guess? I've already said my peace about FH, and I'm a bit too lazy to dissect Sam's walls rn, so he's up on my list.

Flyhn said:
It's not really worth risking it until we have a better read on him. I mean, it's just like what Josh said "his problem is his attitude". He omgus's people who so much as fos them a bit too often, and is usually looks scummy no matter what, so if they're town i worry how the next shot would go
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First major thought post by Flyhn, he's Pro-Haruno here, which, given his flip, is NAI, but his explanation (Haruno's general way of acting is naturally scummy, and he's against letting Haruno go and screw up things by shooting someone smart early [which, I may add, he did do] with the actual logic behind the post, it strikes me as town.

Flyhn said:
DBZ NOC. Granted i was a neutral, but that's the ONLY NOC i feel i actually put effort into, and i have been scum since. The thing is though, i do that because i'm always paranoid as town of being scumread, and paranoid as scum of being found out, and as a third party being found out isn't nearly as detrimental, and being scumread as a neutral (technically scum) is valid. I'm trying here because there is no lynch, so simply being scumread is of no concern, it just means i get the gun. And my paranoia gets so bad that i just do nothing to avoid suspicion. Suspicion in this kind of setup just doesn't bug me
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Talks about laying low, and why he tends to be an idler, along with the reason he's not idling here. Protip from my 101 mentor: "As town, nothing you do is inherently scummy." So you have nothing, really, to lose by being blunt and honest. At least, that's my belief. Anyways, he just states his reasons, so it's pretty NAI, in my opinion. It's just as easy for scum to make bogus statements on their thoughts as for town to share their honest ones.

Flyhn said:
Okay forget what i just said, not completely reading a 110 page game just to get a few meta reads, don't really have the time for that (though if someone else wants to do so, go right ahead ^w^). However, i still want to be productive, so i took the liberty of giving a list of players whose posting patterns i find a bit off. This includes shubaka, winter-delta, Former Hope, and to a lesser extent MoodyCloud and Asek.

Also no US i haven't been as afk as you seem to think. Some of the people on this list have been though, and i honestly expect more given my history in games with them (shubaka in particular, where you at?)
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This is where he gives us his first straight thoughts, claiming suspicion on shubaka, Former, WinterD, Moody, and Asek. Also, he states a dislike of all the idlers, such as UncleSam. This post honestly bothers me, because, this early in the game, he already called 2 flipped Mafia, and 1 person I'm absolutely positive is also mafia. This just feels a bit like Maf trying to discreetly bus teammates, maybe catch up a few town in the wake, and overall get some town cred.

Flyhn said:
Admittedly not. Sometimes i just like posting about side things like that that annoy me.


Inclined to believe him for some reason when he says he's been busy, but yeah he wallposts a shitton in any NOC he's in, although he tends to scumread noobtown a bit much as well, watch for that


D1 is still useful on later days to look back on how people interact with others based on who flipped what later down the line, people should still at least try to be productive D1 to see who scum buddied, who dead townnies thought was scummy, who scum claimed to believe was scummy, ect. We need to be posting SOMETHING, what do you want to just have a game full of people idling? Admittedly not knowing what to do when it seems like nothing is happen has actually been one of my own weaknesses, but i'm at least trying to make an effort
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Complains about people complaining about D1, espousing some of his thoughts on it. It rubs me as a bit towny, what with being a big proponent of activity.

Phone is dying, but I want to get my thoughts out really quick. Flyhn, after a bit of scrutiny, seems towny, still, but I'm not nearly as confident in it as I was before. Moderate Townlean. More post analysis to come, this wasn't as long as I would like, so expect a part 2.
 
Hitmonleet said:
Protip from my 101 mentor: "As town, nothing you do is inherently scummy."
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who was your 101 mentor lmao

because town can definitely do inherently antitown things (whether on accident or due to a misguided philosophy on how to play), which is usually read as scummy

it's a nice sentiment but it's not exactly correct
 
Walrein said:
who was your 101 mentor lmao

because town can definitely do inherently antitown things (whether on accident or due to a misguided philosophy on how to play), which is usually read as scummy

it's a nice sentiment but it's not exactly correct
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LW. Of course, it's more advice against not speaking out and talking up with your thoughts, as opposed to laying low just so you don't get pressured, but the idea is still there.

I will admit that it isn't true in ALL circumstances But as a general stance, it's a good plan to play by, imo.
 
is birthday today, i start posting tomorrow. kinda didn't want to play noc but hey, look where I am now. i will try to read the whole thing but 39 pages is a lot :pirate: can someone give me a summary? if not I'll do my best to read the whole thing.
 
pancake said:
is birthday today, i start posting tomorrow. kinda didn't want to play noc but hey, look where I am now. i will try to read the whole thing but 39 pages is a lot :pirate: can someone give me a summary? if not I'll do my best to read the whole thing.
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at least skim the whole thing

your gut reactions to actual posts are going to be more valuable than a detailed analysis of a summary that someone else wrote
 
i said it early that active!flyhn is mafia!flyhn and he's always idled hard af as village but i guess this game is clogged with ppl who never played with PokeguyNXB the legend

i do think flyhn is a subpar shot, and has been, considering the ACTUAL serial idlers like w-d, fort, moody, dbw, who we are now 1-1 on, 2-1 if you include shu "you're idling" baka. however i also think certain flips could make me raise him up in likelihood of mafia.

empoof was one of the guys who ok'd flyhn being the last town but was town himself, that leaves josh who also said so iirc and dle who proposed it, and there's something to do with twin iirc as well that makes me think flyhn is a likely scumpartner for these users, but if 2 of those 3 are town i would posit flyhn is as well.
 
Walrein said:
question for everyone but especially Yeti

in a game like this, where the only people that really matter are one (maybe two) townies plus the mafia, do you think sam would be more likely to become uninvested as a townie or as mafia?

i ask this because my gut reaction was to say that uninvested sam is more likely to be mafia sam, as i find that he has a tendency to become engaged against his will when he's actively scumhunting; however, like i said, townies barely matter in this game unless they have the gun/are flyhn, apparently, so it's possible sam may simply have become bored with that

(of course it's also possible i'm being paranoid and he's legit just irl busy but whatever)
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i think as mafia. he has been complaining that only the gunbearer can really pressure people since there's no lynch so most of the town's opinion doesn't matter. but i think in that circumstance he would be interested in getting the gun himself and going on a shooting spree. the guy gets a boner when he gets to lead a village, you can't tell me the chance to exclusively decide who's about to die wouldn't impress him. that being said he doesn't care a ton for scumhunting exclusively in nocs and has said before that he much prefers when roles are the factor to find scum, not just emotions and reads. hasn't prevented him from wallposting in nocs before tho.

he is legit busy at work tho with projects; still, i think he is mafia this game. just to answer your question, it is a bit of a dimensional issue.
 
Yeti. The only time i rolled scum in NOC i idled SO BAD i was subbed. You don't know my meta, and post-improvement!me (which i concider post DBZ) has never rolled town in an NOC until now, how do you know my meta. You PLAYED DBZ, sheesh

And i'm actually reading back through the thread right now trying to make a bigger post. The only intereaction i've had at all with twin was him calling me out for not wanting Haruno to get gun, then i explained myself. Other than that it came out of complete left field by Haruno. If you don't believe me you can reread D1 and D2 and see for yourself: there's literally nothing there, and i don't understand why people keep bringing this up

Now if you'll excuse me i still have that winter interactions post to make
 
w-d flipping scum is no surprise, i vote moody or aura guardian as the next shot

if these 2 are mafia sam assuredly is. ag had been sort of subtly defending sam and pushing the shot onto me instead but now voted sam today, trying to tie me to sam. i think he is trying to set up this "if 1 is mafia both are" connect which i know i am not, but makes me think sam is ag's partner, clearly inactive, so an easy bus target. ag votes me as a throwaway vote, knowing jalmont townreads me and isn't going to shoot me, with sam as this "yeah sure he's a good shot too;" now today ag pushes for sam when he has high odds of being shot so ag can get towncred for scumreading his own teammate.

that or ag REALLY wants 2 competent town shot.
 
flyhn i've carried your idling mess in several walrein ocs

you were more active in dbz as a neutral than you had been in any other noc i played with you previously

js that the only stand-out non-idling incident, you were not town
 
imo oc meta shouldn't be taken into account when evaluating oc play, at least not extremely so

flyhn's come a long way since his pokeguy days; i'd argue that as he's gotten older, his ability to think critically about NOC mafia has increased drastically, which is going to lead to an increase in post quality as any alignment

i don't think we really have an example of flyhn's new town meta to fall back on. we're going to have to look at him in a vacuum, basically
 
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