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NOC Why is there a gun in my popcorn? GAME OVER SCUM WIN

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RIP Jalmont thank you for your service.

Anyway yeah i called this as buddying but I was never sure enough to want Leet to survive to the end. Not much has changed in my mind, so shoot your conscience, Hitmonleet
 
Also, I demand answers to some questions, or else you'll get shot.

Thetwinmasters
UncleSam
MoodyCloud
Blazade
Asek
Yeti
Flyhn
Former Hope
Aura Guardian

  1. Top Townread and Top Scumread, with reasoning behind each.
  2. How do you presume we should continue on from here on out?
  3. Is there anything in particular you want people to look at or think about, and why?
  4. What is the scummiest thing you have posted in this game?
  5. Misc. Thoughts.

I want answers and I'd prefer them soon.
 
1a. Top Townread: Undetermined. I'm leaning Flyhn, but if Moody flips town, then I'd figure Asek is more likely town than Flyhn.
1b. Top Scumread: UncleSam. His posting pattern, etc. just isn't like him. Second is Moody because Asek's reads.
2. I think we should mostly continue as we have been going, but we should look more closely at a few things, such as who the mafia might want to be their survivor, and how.
3. Moody's luck, because per my ISO, he's spookily accurate - to the point I'm considering his reads over mine
4. Probably my many pushes on Yeti, given how many scum did that.
5. FINALLY a gunbearer who's doing this. Getting people directly involved with what we want. (I'm giving Jalmont a free pass because 3 successes WOW)
 
1. Top townread you
Or Flyhn. Twin has evidence to back him but I can easily picture scum!twin throwing winterdelta/king under the bus thinking they wouldn't make it to endgame anyway, still far from my top shot so I guess he's top3 town. Asek might be town but I'm worried about how his shot pool completely changed with seemingly no explanation, could indicate that he just felt like putting 2 teammates out of 3 as scumread for later use (and he did quote back to it). Top 3 townread until I'm given a reason to hunt for moles depending on his answer.

Top scumread Auraguardian, if he's town I'll suspect Blazade a lot more because of their interactions, otherwise Former hope comes next.


2. I'd shoot Ag/FH and from their flips look at Walrein/Blazade then I guess yeti is my last shot if one scum is left. Would like to hear who everyone would personally keep around to endgame (2 players).

3. I want them to think that maybe Hitmonleet and I arent scumbuddies or scum at all and they can start thinking of who else might be scum, also the above. I think shubaka/winterdelta and to a lesser extent king are teammates who would be thrown under the bus by experimented players, Josh not so much.

4. A bunch of things I guess

5. I wanted Jalmont to ace the scum team and I was torn between warning him not to shoot me and posting some meme like JUST DO IT
 
Also yeah Unclesam is still alive I guess lol, his expressed concerns about Josh earlier make him some null lean town read atm, depending a lot on whether I'm wrong about Ag/Former hope or not
 
  1. Top Townread and Top Scumread, with reasoning behind each.
Top town read: Yeti/Flyhn, Flyhn in general has acted pretty towny to the point where he's even encouraged people to question their town read on him and with his early push on shubaka for activity, I see the chance of him being scum as very low. Yeti, they've been scum read by several scum now who have tried to push a lynch on them.

Scum read: Moody, a lot of desperation and inconsistencies, ie pushes hard for me then backs off and now is back on for shooting me for ....no actual reason.
  1. How do you presume we should continue on from here on out?
Shoot scum, don't shoot town, win.
  1. Is there anything in particular you want people to look at or think about, and why?
Connections to flipped scum and town.
  1. What is the scummiest thing you have posted in this game?
This is such a weird question.
  1. Misc. Thoughts.
I can't count higher than 1.
 
Aura Guardian said:
1a. Top Townread: Undetermined. I'm leaning Flyhn, but if Moody flips town, then I'd figure Asek is more likely town than Flyhn.
1b. Top Scumread: UncleSam. His posting pattern, etc. just isn't like him. Second is Moody because Asek's reads.
2. I think we should mostly continue as we have been going, but we should look more closely at a few things, such as who the mafia might want to be their survivor, and how.
3. Moody's luck, because per my ISO, he's spookily accurate - to the point I'm considering his reads over mine
4. Probably my many pushes on Yeti, given how many scum did that.
5. FINALLY a gunbearer who's doing this. Getting people directly involved with what we want. (I'm giving Jalmont a free pass because 3 successes WOW)
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Thanks for reminding me that I did scumread Josh and winterdelta earlier I legit had forgotten about it, makes me feel better about my contribution ty
 
I think that the mafia wincon approach means it is entirely within reason - and that SOMEONE will be doing that, at least. Whether it was you or not is not something I can tell at this time. I simply feel shooting you would provide more information on Asek then shooting him would on you. And either of you would be more informative now than Yet-Sam (though that problem still needs resolving, too).
 
I don't really see how my flip will shed light on Asek's alignment when 2 of the 3 he lumped together as scum (the last being, as you know, me) flipped scum. If I flip scum he had 3 right, if not he was wrong on one which is completely reasonable and avoids putting him in a situation where he's suspected of being informed.
Yeah I fail to see how shooting me can be justified by "it'll reveal stuff about Asek"
 
expect answers later tonight, busy drowning in school commitments that i have to catch up on because my phone decided to die overnight, thus giving me no alarm clock
 
Hitmonleet said:
  1. Top Townread and Top Scumread, with reasoning behind each.
  2. How do you presume we should continue on from here on out?
  3. Is there anything in particular you want people to look at or think about, and why?
  4. What is the scummiest thing you have posted in this game?
  5. Misc. Thoughts.

I want answers and I'd prefer them soon.
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1) Top Townread for me is still Yeti. She's actively attempting to gamesolve, and as far as interactions are concerned, half a scumteam wouldn't immediately bus someone for towncred.
Top Scumread is trickier honestly. I really want to say Moody still, but a Hitmonleet townflip reflects really badly on Former due to how at odds they've been. I'll have to say Former for that reason, and if Former's town, definitely Moody next, i still find that argument very TvS

2) 3 scum remaining in 10 non-gunbearer players, um... Former or Moody should definitely be the next shot, and if whichever of them is shot next flips town, i suggest they shoot the other (which i believe they'll likely do anyway but eh..). After that point, flip Sam. He's been acting unlike him, though i'm still paranoid because he does legitimately seem busy, but i just have a bad feeling about him, and if i'm wrong here town!Sam in a later gamestate when all the idlers to misfire onto are gone would be nice to have. From what i see from everyone else, Asek is also seen as scummy on a few people's radars, and has some connection to Sam that i may need to look at to clarify, tbh Asek has flown off my radar, and that's inexcusable with endgame likely approaching soon, so i need to get on that

3) Interactions. That's why i've been doing the post-mortem ISOs, the interactions players had with scum before they flipped are the key to piecing the scumteam together. Quite honestly i've slacked myself due to my own circumstances currently, but i've been putting out the ISOs still so at the very least everyone else can get thoughts out there at a time it's difficult for me to, without having to dig through the thread every time.

4) See anytime i got overly whiny and defensive when someone calls me an idler, and my page-long argument with twin over wifom

5) After cooling down and once again detaching myself from my ego, i will admit my contribution hasn't been exactly as good as i've been letting on. I never denied my universal townread status was odd, in fact early on i requested people stop sheeping/buddying me . I'm actually glad not to be universally townread anymore, makes me less paranoid of my reads not being correct and then someone goes and sheeps them anyway. Since i'm no longer in such a position, if i do eventually end up shot, Yeti's my locktown for that strategy. Others may feel differently, and for that reason i'd suggest rather than one universal townlock, everyone just treat their own strongest townread as townlock when they have the gun, unless you don't feel strongly enough about it to justify that. I however, do feel there's very few scenarios left that Yeti is scum, so when i'm gunned i'm still going for that plan


That's all i really needed to say. Raw thoughts, no ISOs or anything. Somehow though, I feel better about this than the past couple ISOs... this doesn't mean i'll stop doing them though
 
I agree with most of this post except that I'd consider shooting Auraguardian/walrein before Unclesam (and possibly Blazade because my gut screams that one of him and aura is scum). Then if it comes down to endgame I'd look for a town mole, and probably shoot yeti first because I've felt that her posts have often been about how town shouldn't be playing or how X post was bad without really being assertive. Also having pushed on Empoof/me/Hitmonleet (iirc,not sure about the latter,will check) aka townies does not win her extra town points in my eyes but not a priority shot imo.
 
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