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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins
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Moody you need to understand that wagons=/=lynches
Just because a wagon forms easily on someone doesn't mean it's going to stay that way and doesn't mean it can't shift just as easily
How people come on and off wagons and why is very valuable for sorting people and is helpful in exactly the same way asek's suggestion to throw votes around is
That's the one thing smogon meta needs to get better at, being willing to throw out votes and wagons, and be willing to changes votes and deconstruct wagons for reasons other than "I want to lynch this person the most"
Just because a wagon forms easily on someone doesn't mean it's going to stay that way and doesn't mean it can't shift just as easily
How people come on and off wagons and why is very valuable for sorting people and is helpful in exactly the same way asek's suggestion to throw votes around is
That's the one thing smogon meta needs to get better at, being willing to throw out votes and wagons, and be willing to changes votes and deconstruct wagons for reasons other than "I want to lynch this person the most"
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King_ (3): Josh, Asek, Texas Cloverleaf
Hawkie (2): Former Hope, Ullar
Hitmonleet (2): Hawkie, Blazade
Asek (1): Shubaka17
Haruno (1): King_
Josh (1): Hitmonleet
KnightsofCydonia (1): Moodycloud
Moodycloud (1): Paperblade
Walrein (1): Haruno
Not Voting (4): Aubisio, KnightsofCydonia, Jalmont, Walrein
King_ (3): Josh, Asek, Texas Cloverleaf
Hawkie (2): Former Hope, Ullar
Hitmonleet (2): Hawkie, Blazade
Asek (1): Shubaka17
Haruno (1): King_
Josh (1): Hitmonleet
KnightsofCydonia (1): Moodycloud
Moodycloud (1): Paperblade
Walrein (1): Haruno
Not Voting (4): Aubisio, KnightsofCydonia, Jalmont, Walrein
King slot will sort itself out over time tbh, he has made remarks that can easily be reread to determine his alignment (same logic as knights). The lynch on him is lazy
unvote, vote hitmonleet
Leet has far fewer posts and the two posts he has are bad (blazade has probably covered this, because he is not dicking around with secret messages). Unlike King, there's a real attempt to look like he's contributing in those 2 posts, but it's all safe and easy and he doesn't really come to any conclusions. This combined with his low post count (TWO) means it's unlikely we ever get enough interactions on him to be meaningful unless he turns up today. This is a good D1 lynch
unvote, vote hitmonleet
Leet has far fewer posts and the two posts he has are bad (blazade has probably covered this, because he is not dicking around with secret messages). Unlike King, there's a real attempt to look like he's contributing in those 2 posts, but it's all safe and easy and he doesn't really come to any conclusions. This combined with his low post count (TWO) means it's unlikely we ever get enough interactions on him to be meaningful unless he turns up today. This is a good D1 lynch
what why? as much as i jest about haruno hes done nothing scummy thus far
me? hated?
could be scum setting me up for tomorrow
why is king stupid as fuck just from gut? If i have produced why king is demontratably scummy why does your gut town read trump that?
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just because its an easy wagon doesnt mean its the wrong one. If you think king_ is a bad wagon please provide a case on somebody else; im mildly concerned that nobody else is pushing other angles but I know I'm town so i push my reads with confidence so others have a reason to follow me. If you want to get the lynch off of king how about you show me why somebody else is better today
FTR im actually happy to flip off king onto maybe 3 other people at this point
why are you singling out and asking walrein?
Having done some more reading, I'm bumping up a couple of my reads. Slight Town lean on Josh. Looking at Josh objectively, I kinda like his page 8 posts after #178. The read is weak, though, and needs further scrutiny.
Null on Texas. I also think that Texas and Asek are not scum together. Scum signaling to scum seems pointless.
Paper's posts are bugging me a little. The passive tone and the repeated theme of "remind me about/i can't remember this" are giving me a weak gut read of lean scum.
Null on Texas. I also think that Texas and Asek are not scum together. Scum signaling to scum seems pointless.
Paper's posts are bugging me a little. The passive tone and the repeated theme of "remind me about/i can't remember this" are giving me a weak gut read of lean scum.
Ok, life (and my FATE campaign) has finally stopped being a problem, so now I have the time to make a big post.
First, I'm going to make a quick thoughts post:
Asek - Gut Town due to how he's using a lot of evidence in his posts. I don't exactly think his support off King as a lynch is the best idea, but given his reason for actually doing it, I'm inclined to think he's probably town trying to get people to discuss and debate.
Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.
Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)
Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.
Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.
Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.
Ullar - Is Ullar. Gut Ullar, aka ??????
Haruno - He's like he normally plays. I get how people scumread him for it out of policy, but I think this Haruno is town. I watched him play scum in OCNOC, and this is subtly different. He isn't aggressively pushing something specific, he's spreading the love. Town Lean.
Former Hope - In just about every game I'm in, I manage to somehow clash with FH over something over a misunderstanding, so gut town atm. His actual posts are, honestly, not too memorable to me.
King - I want to say this is Town!King, I honestly do. His more meme-y types of posts and one-liners are prevalent in the thread, and he's being active, at the least. Town Lean.
Paperblade - Paperblade is paperblade. I really haven't found anything that stands out to me (I literally can't remember any contributions he's made to discussion, but I might have just missed it). It makes me think he's trying to mostly just pass by in the night without being scrutinized. Scumlean.
Knights - He's trying. He's bringing up topics, making reads, and overall playing like I'd expect him to play. Plus, he hasn't tried to RQS! *Town*.
Moody - Another person who I honestly can't remember too well. Null.
Anyways, it's late over here, so I'll be back in the morning, and talk about:
First, I'm going to make a quick thoughts post:
Asek - Gut Town due to how he's using a lot of evidence in his posts. I don't exactly think his support off King as a lynch is the best idea, but given his reason for actually doing it, I'm inclined to think he's probably town trying to get people to discuss and debate.
Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.
Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)
Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.
Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.
Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.
Ullar - Is Ullar. Gut Ullar, aka ??????
Haruno - He's like he normally plays. I get how people scumread him for it out of policy, but I think this Haruno is town. I watched him play scum in OCNOC, and this is subtly different. He isn't aggressively pushing something specific, he's spreading the love. Town Lean.
Former Hope - In just about every game I'm in, I manage to somehow clash with FH over something over a misunderstanding, so gut town atm. His actual posts are, honestly, not too memorable to me.
King - I want to say this is Town!King, I honestly do. His more meme-y types of posts and one-liners are prevalent in the thread, and he's being active, at the least. Town Lean.
Paperblade - Paperblade is paperblade. I really haven't found anything that stands out to me (I literally can't remember any contributions he's made to discussion, but I might have just missed it). It makes me think he's trying to mostly just pass by in the night without being scrutinized. Scumlean.
Knights - He's trying. He's bringing up topics, making reads, and overall playing like I'd expect him to play. Plus, he hasn't tried to RQS! *Town*.
Moody - Another person who I honestly can't remember too well. Null.
Anyways, it's late over here, so I'll be back in the morning, and talk about:
- Asek
- Hawkie
- The King lynch
- Why Josh sux (jkjk)
- Anything I'm forgetting
Wait, Ullar subbed in for Aubisio.
My statement still stands.
My statement still stands.
Also, I just realized that I missed Walrein in my post.
Overall, I'd say he's towny, as he's playing a more passive, analytical game then I'd expect from a Mafia!Walrein. I haven't been in too many games with him though, so I don't know if this is part of his scum meta or no.
Also, I just realized that Ullar didn't include me in his reads, and then claimed he included everything important. I'm hurt. :^)
Overall, I'd say he's towny, as he's playing a more passive, analytical game then I'd expect from a Mafia!Walrein. I haven't been in too many games with him though, so I don't know if this is part of his scum meta or no.
Also, I just realized that Ullar didn't include me in his reads, and then claimed he included everything important. I'm hurt. :^)
I did this once and the intent was to be "These people are forgettable which is bad"??
fsr I missed this post
Does that include the pointless vt claim? That's the sticking point for me
also Hitmonleet do you think the difference in Josh's play is actually scummy, or do you think it's just scummy because it's different? I want you to explain to me why this is scummy play.
Overall I don't like leet's post, there is a lot of posturing and metareads, "this player is playing like normal so they're town, this person isn't so they're mafia". This is pretty easy content to fake since you don't need much thought put into it.
Overall I don't like leet's post, there is a lot of posturing and metareads, "this player is playing like normal so they're town, this person isn't so they're mafia". This is pretty easy content to fake since you don't need much thought put into it.
WHY HIM AND NOT OTHER PEOPLE?
because it helps us determine if you have real legitimate thought processes (village) as opposed to just throwing shit at the wall (aka mafia play)
I think it's actually scummy, as he's not exactly trying to support his posts very much. He's just saying "Oh XXXX is town, YYYY is maf" and such things, and just leaving it like that. I feel like town would actually try to embellish their thoughts with, at the very least, their reasonings. For example:
These just lack an actual logic to it, just a blasé statement without anything behind it.
The main thing is, I don't have much to act on d1, and we don't have anything concrete. Due to a lack of PRs, I have to mostly look at the psychology of the plays, since it's really the only thing I have to look at.
Paper, the vibe I get from you is a guy standing five feet to the left of a fist fight while saying "No, stop, what are you doing" in a quiet monotone. You seem to be fading halfway into the background while lowkey defending some players and asking others to fill gaps in your memory. Gut's not liking it.
Every time I've tried to explain what I'm thinking I 90% of the time get misunderstood then what follows is usually someone saying "you're bad" and when that happens you bet I'm going to be a little irritated.
Top scumreads atm (this is the answer to the question btw)
Haruno
Walrein/Paperblade/Asek
Top scumreads atm (this is the answer to the question btw)
Haruno
Walrein/Paperblade/Asek
um excuse me?? past playstyles?? hello i've played 1 game other than this.
ullar's reads post is clearly FAKE AS FUCK
why would town lie in their reads post
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Lynch Ullar
if u call this omgus i literally give no fucks
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