NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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I'm seeing a trend of multi-day scumreads on Hitmon and I can see why the trend is there. I don't like the pivot from "this confuses me" to "here's some setup talk that shows you're scummy" or how incomplete the iso on Josh seems to be, almost to the point of cherry picking. He says after the fact that he was pressed for time, but it reads more like he rushed through it just so he could move on to Asek.

How the hell does someone half ass a tunnel?
 
I did townread Jalmont thinking that his behavior was very different than his usual more passive play and that scum!Jalmont had no reason not to take advantage of the fact people are used to him being fairly idle as town. It was wifom and I was wrong on that but I still think it was a bad choice from him to make a significant break from his town meta. Hitmonleet doesn't give me a towny vibe but I don't want to see his flip before one of King/Knights
 
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King_ (4): Josh, Texas Cloverleaf, Blazade, Moodycloud
Hitmonleet (1): Hawkie
Shubaka17 (1): KnightsofCydonia
Texas Cloverleaf (1): King_

Not Voting (7): Pancake, Ironic Double, Hitmonleet, Asek, Ullar, Fort Colorcastle, Shubaka17
 
Man no extends this is a FUN game

I originally town read KnightsOfCydonia, but his activity now seems a bit forced the more I read. I'd lean town, but wouldn't be surprised if scum.
And Moody continues with valuing flips > trying to lynch scum which I find interesting and has made him lean even more scum to me.
I still support my original TR of Texas, as I stated originally Jalmont lynched Texas twice which seems unnecessary especially d1 to do that to his own scum buddy. I also like the thoughtfulness in his posts unlike about everyone else in this game.
I dislike the activity of Blazeade/Shubaka, as it gives me a null read on them. I will look into them further later.
And of course, I'm stuck here waiting for Hitmonleet to respond to Hawkie. I'm pretty tired of it. His posts seem forced and I don't know if this is desparate townie/scum. For now I will:

Vote Hitmonleet

Current lynchpool for me is Hitmonleet/King_/MoodyCloud
 
I'm presuming that SR means scumread then? Kk

Alright, Hawkie thoughts then!

  • S/He's very passionate about things:
He likes to use a lot of caps, exclamation points, and swears to get his/her point across. I personally consider it NAI, as it feels more like it's due to their playstyle, and less about bullying others around.
  • They happen to be quick to accusatory remarks.
This is honestly a bit of a scummy trait to me, as it happens commonly among more open scum. They shoot out a lot of remarks and veiled threats, and then simply Intimidating people into submission. A few examples of what I'm referring to here are:
today it's just been the same people talking people need to wake the fuck up that could sort of suggest we're on the wrong track and mafia are laying low because of this

but i doubt it

i tr Moody/Knights and would like to hear pancake's thoughts on the game so far before going further.

honestly King_ why would u believe someone (ESPECIALLY Josh) claiming cop d1??? the only reason to act this naive over a d1 cop claim is if ur scum or inexp town

what is this post supposed to achieve

Do you get what I'm saying? Now, it is entirely possible that Hawkie is just always this way, and it's NAI, but I personally doubt it. This feels like scum trying to instill fear and complacency to town in order to cow them to do what they want.

  • They're analyzing posts in depth.
Yes, yes, I know this is kind of a bland, blunt thing, but it's an important thing for finding town. Scum tend to do more cursory glances at times (although, some town do it too, when busy or rushed *cough*stop tagging me*cough*), so I'm liking the fact that Hawkie is scrutinizing things a lot more, such as in these posts:

um excuse me?? past playstyles?? hello i've played 1 game other than this.
ullar's reads post is clearly FAKE AS FUCK
why would town lie in their reads post

Unvote
Lynch Ullar

if u call this omgus i literally give no fucks

this one is somehow worse. Reading through the tone is very suck upish, i mean the first line is literally compliment.

"I'm personally leaning towards the former, since s/he's actively provoking discussion, making reads, and providing reasoning, which maf commonly seems to either forget or do a shoddy job of providing, ime."

this in particular has me fukin shook. This is literally the textbook description of any good player, not an assessment of how Asek has been playing themselves.

AND IF YOU NOTICE ---------> "providing reasoning, which maf commonly seems to either forget or do a shoddy job of providing, ime."

holy actual mother of mafiascum what the fuck is this LINE LOOK AT HIS LAST POST. HIS LAST POST IS LITERALLY A POST TRYING TO PROVIDE REASONING ON JOSH WHICH HE DOES A SHODDY JOB OF PROVIDING

AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF HE LITERALLY TYPO'S TO IME

IME

Yes, yes, I know that this is a post against me, but it's a good example of what I mean. He's pointing out flaws in statements, actually reading enough to point out smaller details, and making logic statements.

I'd write more, and probably will tomarrow, but you guys keep wanting me to post more, so post more I shall.
 
Expect activity to pick up next cycle, since it'll be the weekend and I won't be busy all the time.

Also, Hawkie I have a few questions I'd like to ask you as well:

  • What are your thoughts on the current King lynch?
  • I know you'll probably say me for this, but who is the person currently the scummiest to you, and why?
  • What do you think our plan should be, going forward from today?
  • What do you think of our odds, considering the matrix set is evident?
  • Would you agree that Mafia is 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will? :-)
 
Tfw you make a post on your thoughts of someone and you forget to actually include what you think of them overall.

Anyways, yeah, Hawkie is playing well, looking at things, provoking discussion, doing all the good town things. He's a bit harsh and agressive, but he isn't too much in the way of this. I'd say it warrants a bit of a Townlean, but not one I'm entirely confident in.
 
yeah texas/ironicdouble p obvious scumteam right here. i know clc (ironicdouble) pretty well and saying "I'd lean town but wouldn't be surprised if scum" is not only unlike him but just a generally extremely scummy action. Leet's more recent comments are rather offputting as well, he is asking questions of others instead of answering some himself and he is ignoring the main reason to town read hawkie which was the initial jalmont scumread. (side note: hawkie is p harsh generally so it's not like this is abnormal for him, no offense hawk D: <3). At least some form of a contribution makes him less of a scumread than texas rn for me, who makes posts like 856 which legitimately doesn't say anything. Read it.

This is the same thing I said d1, we need a majority of townies (8/11 in this case) to vote together to reach a hammer situation and almost as many to defeat a scum+remaining town counterwagon

This seems like some sort of attempt to sound intellectual while just blatantly stating the mechanics of mafia lol, and it's the same for that entire post. The one thing that texas has going for him is the fact that jalmont scumread him to an extent but honestly jalmont's reads were extremely muddled besides on asek lol, especially regarding texas of whether he's null/scum, and if it was a "genuine" fake scumread it could just as easily be a bus.

But yeah, don't mind this tangent about texas, for the reasons previously stated fh/ironic is my biggest scumread and therefore vote IronicDouble
 
did you even read my post. he's one of my 3 biggest scumreads, and I was noting how texas got worse so he was more of a scumread now than leet.

sorry if that was unclear(?)
 
yeah texas/ironicdouble p obvious scumteam right here. i know clc (ironicdouble) pretty well and saying "I'd lean town but wouldn't be surprised if scum" is not only unlike him but just a generally extremely scummy action. Leet's more recent comments are rather offputting as well, he is asking questions of others instead of answering some himself and he is ignoring the main reason to town read hawkie which was the initial jalmont scumread. (side note: hawkie is p harsh generally so it's not like this is abnormal for him, no offense hawk D: <3). At least some form of a contribution makes him less of a scumread than texas rn for me, who makes posts like 856 which legitimately doesn't say anything. Read it.



This seems like some sort of attempt to sound intellectual while just blatantly stating the mechanics of mafia lol, and it's the same for that entire post. The one thing that texas has going for him is the fact that jalmont scumread him to an extent but honestly jalmont's reads were extremely muddled besides on asek lol, especially regarding texas of whether he's null/scum, and if it was a "genuine" fake scumread it could just as easily be a bus.

But yeah, don't mind this tangent about texas, for the reasons previously stated fh/ironic is my biggest scumread and therefore vote IronicDouble

I honestly don't consider that initial scumread very important, because Mafia can bus pretty easily, especially without fear of getting copped in this scenario, so as long as one of them is considered definite town, they win (Especially since Vig is dead). Thus, I'm staying suspicious of it.
 
I disagree with Pancake on call for consensus in majority lynch as scumtell. Splitting the wagons into a no lynch will give scum more benefit than Town.

Picking up where I left off with Moody, then running Papercake afterwards.
 
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