NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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The Josh quote I also agree with but I don't really do the lynching of people for unhelpful to town reasons. I tend to only vote ppl I directly scumread so I agree with the sentiment king should be lynched sooner rather than later if he's going to refuse to be helpful but it's not one I would ever push myself if that makes sense

There are always personal attacks in these games tho so it seems a bit overdone to harp on king doing it
 
Seriously can someone help me out here I feel like a fish out of water

like a tierlist of reads or a link to a few posts that would be useful to me

Yeti can you break down why you thought ullar/haruno are town/town wagons
 
first noticable leet post at #313 and literaly nothing there pings me as scum and to be honest i dont even disagree with his noticable scum read on blazade. the rest of the reads are fine as well. of the 2 confirmed town we have so far leet town read both. he even gave a null on jalmont!

he backs up his josh read on #321 and its fine. i can see where hes coming from but i dont really agree with it

i seriously dont get how people r gonna scumread him for pointing out texas is gonna see him as being visibile on #680 like doesnt everyone on this fuckign forum expect to be invis so nobody knows what ur doing? i would love to be invisible from certain users who can see what im doing but i cannot.

kinda janky that theres a massive gap in his posts here tho

#767 pulls back on josh a bit, seems like logical progression in his read. a bit shallow if anything

he confidently townreads me in his next post (#769). does anyone scumread me itg anymore

#805 reads pretty sincerely like a frustrated town moreso then a frustrated scum

the hawkie questions on #889 are rather 'icky' in the words of my friend shubaka

#898 is towny

Overall he lacks any kind of scummy agenda and pushing into anyone. he isnt bandwagonning common shit and is going against the grain in a lot of his content. my only real concern with leet is the weirdo rqs like shit on 889 and the fact that his activty is so damn low, which is more reminiscent of a scumgame ive seen from him (deathnote) then it is from a town game (popcorn)
 
Dang, I look away for 30 minutes and 3 pages of smogon forum mafia come blaring up as Hitmonleet has become the new target :D

Tbh he probably hoped he could lurk his way through this vote phase

I really wouldn't be surprised if King + Hitmonleet were in the same faction honestly, and Hitmonleet's flip now has quite alot of value (just look at that quick shift on like page 44)

If he flips town I'd say theres at least one scum in one of the plurshifters, but if he is scum, I'd have a concrete tr on Hawkie + a couple others

Sorry for short post i have to sleep
 
i should state its just confusing to me how such a large group of players have come to the conclusion that hitmonleet is scummy when he hasnt done anything to cause such a concensus

like how did 4 'good' (hawkie, josh, tex, and blazade) all come to the conclusion he was scum? how did they all flip so quickly in the face of a wagon change? things just dont add up here.
 
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