NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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Texas Cloverleaf said:
okay this possibility i hadnt considered
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Yeah it can depend on certain things. Depending on who the JK targetted they either have a partial guilty or a partial green check. If they targetted someone like hitmonleet it's never a partial green check (no offense bb it's just thread flow). I want to say that informationwise this particular setup is mafia favored which is why it feels so hard to draw good lines in the sand this game. But also makes it more exciting :pimp:
 
Yeti said:
on the subject this is the other thing that gives me Great Pause about voting leet
two of my stronger/actual scumreads have been pushing him pretty hard, blazade since d1. again hawkie also has and is a strong tr but thats not As relevant imo
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why is blazade's pushing leet any more relevant than hawkie's pushing leet?

Texas Cloverleaf said:
lol doing weird gambitty things is like my strongest town tell, scumtexas plays much safer
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unforuntately, the moment you yourself can say something like that, it becomes that much less valuable as a town/scumtell


btw no Yeti my like on your post isn't saying I'll bet $10. You'd only get like $9.50 or something from it anyways after paypal took its cut :P
 
MoodyCloud said:
Fort Colorcastle Where would you go after an Ironicdouble/Empoof flip ?
pancake IronicDouble (‽) What's the plan after the Hitmonleet flip ?
Asek Idk where you're standing rn but I see your vote on Ironicdouble so same question than above
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If empoof was scum I'd see knights as very much town. If ironic was scum then yeti's townread gets a lock and chain attached to it.
If they were both town, I'd probably start by examining blazade more, then pancake.
 
cause i have a p hearty townread on hawkie and not on blazade. so i consider hawkie a town reference point for early leet actions while blazade and whoever tf else are the ones of intrigue. ie are they also town earlypushing him bc they caught scum or no?

just that not everyone who earlybussed leet is a teammate so that raises the question of if its 0, 1 or 2.
 
Josh said:
  • hitmonleet isnt lock scum, but like, i see very little chance hes town. hes actively avoided every argument in the thread, skirted by with minimal content, but a couple more important things come to mind. when i called him conf scum that was to see if hed argue. leet is a beginner and i pictured town!leet either getting angry with people all considering him confscum OR try and convince people hes town. instead, he has to be prompted 50 times to post anything and he avoids things actively -- hell, when i called him lock scum he liked my post and didn't ever reply to it - replied to something else in the thread later. i think as a beginner he thought he was over and stopped giving a shit, and thats why hes not even bothering to defend himself. he might come back to the thread now that he knows i was lying, but like, the damage is done. additionally, and this one is big, his progression is just nonsensical. he scumreads me for weak reasons, i acknowledge that as slightly townie, he forces himself to keep a scumread on me for much worse reasons, i call him scum for that, he immediately cherrypicks a select couple shitposts from my iso, quotes them, calls them out, and then... develops a weak ass town lean on me from them? and then the next time it comes up he scum reads me again... except now hes voting yeti with me AND sheeping my reasoning. progression that bad just doesnt come from town in my eyes, i like hitmonleet and despite being a beginner i think town!leet is much better than that.
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I like how you completely ignore about half of my posts in this thread, once again, in order to fit your narrative. Literally, you only mention one of my D3 posts, and basically all of your reasoning is from D1. Have you even looked at my posts outside what you've already cherry-picked?

Also, I'm sad you weren't amused by that like.
 
Hitmonleet have you ever rolled scum before in NOCs and how would you say this game has compared to other games you've played on smogon? Is it common for thread consensus to have you as wolfy? Do you think you have been townie and people are just not reading you correctly or do you see merit in what at least a couple people are presenting
 
Blazade said:
Yeah but just as often we apologize for people and overcompensate leading us to ignore and even encourage poor behavior as a good scumgame.

Vote Hitmonleet

I still think this was the right choice yesterday but I'm also willing to go for Yeti or maybe Knights. Some people I'd look at today are Fort, Asek, Ironic, pancake.
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le thinking face
Josh said:
hi,

I tried giving king a chance and he fosd me for not tunnelling him,

I'm cool w lynching a Ayer that bad

I'm fly wasted so last post tn
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i think if anyone can understand josh' position on king its me, i felt like we both had similar experiences wrt him and as such this contributed to my tr of josh because scum wouldnt get involved / be having the same kind of reactions to king as what i did
Empoof said:
DLE slot (i think fort) was obvious town
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there was another section to this post but this section is what is most interesting to me. how r they lock town
Texas Cloverleaf said:
If it was the one shot BP that got hit they should be claiming asap

Vote Hitmonleet

King was the right lynch choice yesterday regardless, you can't let a wagon like that get derailed by late counterwagons on successive days without very good reasoning and there's a lot of good potential information sitting in the interactions created during the hitmonleet counter. Still highly sus of yeti, far too dangerous if mafia.
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TFW TRING JOSH BUT SAYS THIS ABOUT YETI
 
Pancake post on #1302 boldly scumreads texas + leet and from what i can gather 1 on the king lynch? I dont rlly remember his reason for sring texas so ill have to go back itg to check shit out. alternatively someone be a nice boy and fetch the reasoning for me.

I dont think texas + leet is a scum team but if pancake can provide a case for it itll be interesting i guess

Texas Cloverleaf said:
pancake talk to me today. I don't think you're scum anymore so let's talk about why you're convinced I am? Who would I be in a team with? Even if I am scum it's worth exploring this and thinking about the connections between people connected to me. And if I'm not it's helpful to me to see who I might be reading for the wrong reasons
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Texas Cloverleaf said:
I'm actually inclined to think the king wagon was either all town or that one of asek/josh is the scum, I'm more interested in looking at the late hitmonleet votes, seeing if any mafia jumped on there to bus
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this pancke post reads all buddy buddy n shit with no real reason for it to do so. reads like its trying to get pancakes reasoning to then avoid creating connections with scum + create / enforce false connections on other users

if there was scum on king i am fairly certain it isnt josh and i can assure you its not me

i already called out and voted ironic double for post at 1314. or was it anither post? his posts dont rlly stick out to much for me other then saying HITMONLEET MUST BURN

josh giving me teh king ptsd on 1322

hitmonleets reaction to 1322 reads towny and natural development for me

1340 is an eeeeh post from hitmon i think he could be trynna pocket me by callin me + josh consensus tr but i do appreciate the effort to build a case on yeti, and it doesnt feel forced

empoof trs me on 1343 :hearteyes:

hold da phone on blazade. 1344 he goes along with the flow on posts pretty much with a yeti sr emerging at this point, null on josh, lean tr on tex and tr on poof. this reads like consesus reads trying to avoid any kind of real interaction w. anyone to me.

knights does a lot of work but a lot of it doesnt seem like it is game solving if ya kno whamean? the vibe i get from #1349 is basically that

josh is buzzin on #1350

#1351 josh townt post

yetis kind of 'posting police' shit i see in #1358 is something i associate moreso with scum then town and it reads like someone trynna gain towncred from doin nothin

josh and yetis spat consuming the rest of my page feels tvt
 
why does josh lose his townread as per #1382 texas i see no reason for that to have happened, especially if u were to be consistent with ur past postings on yeti + josh

#1387 screams towny from josh

aahhh yeti WHY TF DO U TOWNREAD PEOPLE BASED ON ACTIVITY AND EFFORT BRO THAT TRIGGERS ME SO FUCKING HARD EVERYTIME IT HAPPENS DID YOU NOW HAVE THE HIGHEST VOLUME OF POSTS IN THE POPCORN MAFIA???? #1398 for reference and i dont rlly have a big gripe with the rest of this post, but fuck what i just mentioned

#1399 its cool how texas sets 'traps' for players that if they are scum he will know from this tell that only he thinks he picks up on i think. can totally see scum saying this stuff as well tho.

something keeps annoying me wrt texas and i think its because his words are sweet like honey this game as can be seen on #1403. needs a bit more...'ooomph' behind his words and would certainly expect more from a townie

nvm the ironic double post i called out is #1406 but it feels like same shit differant day


#1408 josh ur post ere got me thinkin - does scum leet rlly make sense w. yeti? does he vote yeti as a teammate as a second vote - a vote that can push from a scumread to a bandwagon? i think this is risky play to make if they are scumbuddies and gives me serious doubts that they would be scumteam

lol yetis post from the voting sheet just got me seein that jalmonts votes have flipped town so far, im town. texas town or scum idk but hes the only other user voted. this will be an interesting point for you all to revisit when / if i flip i feel but i think this is important to note

yeti post something something tldr haha

JK. but yeti did this kind of analysis as scum in popcorn so i take everything as a grain of salt

also how is it weird im fine with lynching kind and ullar but not hitmonleet. dont get the logical jump here (1422)
 
Jalmont said:
Blazade you don't think setup spec is scum? wanna elaborate
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Blazade said:
it's not about whether setup spec is scum, but whether it's characteristic Haruno play. Like I said I don't remember you being in the games when haruno did that, IIRC those were the really role heavy ones.
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Blazade said:
On MU 2-shots flip as 2-shots so I think we're set here.

Glad to see Jalmont confirmed, I was gonna grill him today. I've got work early tomorrow so I'm gonna have to sleep on the rest for now.
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BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER SOMETHING ABOUT THESE POSTS HAS REALLY REALLY STUCK WITH ME JUST A NOTE SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE THAT
 
Hitmonleet said:
I like how you completely ignore about half of my posts in this thread, once again, in order to fit your narrative. Literally, you only mention one of my D3 posts, and basically all of your reasoning is from D1. Have you even looked at my posts outside what you've already cherry-picked?

Also, I'm sad you weren't amused by that like.
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what posts did I ignore that change my 'narrative'?
 
#1408 josh ur post ere got me thinkin - does scum leet rlly make sense w. yeti? does he vote yeti as a teammate as a second vote - a vote that can push from a scumread to a bandwagon? i think this is risky play to make if they are scumbuddies and gives me serious doubts that they would be scumteam
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yeti is giving basically the only possible defense for leets play. started off extending day transitioning to waffle transitioning to ironicdouble lynch. as partners that's all.lynch redirect with no responsibility
dunno if that's actually the case but they make sense as partners to me
 
1488 moody wants to lynch between cake and blazade lets see u PUSH THOSE READS BOY

1496 yeti says disliking me more and liking texas more. i can totally see scumteam texas yeti in all honesty, especially if leet is indeed town

1498 - moody r u pommy or something?

1500 reads like the kind of impressionless fcc i saw in popcorn and honestly gives me reason to scumread that slot but the jalmont vote was some A+ shit as either allignment

hmm i actually posted a fair but after this kinda useless to reanlysis it at this juncture let me put the fast forward on
 
holy cr^p leet posted scumteam that has theoretical texas + yeti on 1566

yeti and texas both seem to be continually sliding a blazade scumread along w.o rlly pushing it too hard. Is it oppurtunistic after i expressed interest there during eod2? i feel like blazade is a bad lynch the more and more i read into texas + yeti

fcc drops a weirdass vote onto empoof on 1587 with kinda weirdo shallow reasonings on everything. he doesnt give any reason at all to lynch empoof actually. kinda strange post

im really tired and dont want to do this anymore its 12:30 expect tomorrow morning for my thoughts on hitmonleet wagon on d2 and some fresh takes

but for now yeti + texas are kinda pinging me off.

blazade seems like lynchbait

i have tooo many scum reads i think but...

not lynching today: josh, moody, hawkie (el town bloc)

altho hawkies diminishing activity is worrying

unvote for now. lets see some good sh*t happen over night
 
Asek said:
holy cr^p leet posted scumteam that has theoretical texas + yeti on 1566

yeti and texas both seem to be continually sliding a blazade scumread along w.o rlly pushing it too hard. Is it oppurtunistic after i expressed interest there during eod2? i feel like blazade is a bad lynch the more and more i read into texas + yeti

fcc drops a weirdass vote onto empoof on 1587 with kinda weirdo shallow reasonings on everything. he doesnt give any reason at all to lynch empoof actually. kinda strange post

im really tired and dont want to do this anymore its 12:30 expect tomorrow morning for my thoughts on hitmonleet wagon on d2 and some fresh takes

but for now yeti + texas are kinda pinging me off.

blazade seems like lynchbait

i have tooo many scum reads i think but...

not lynching today: josh, moody, hawkie (el town bloc)

altho hawkies diminishing activity is worrying

unvote for now. lets see some good sh*t happen over night
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you should at l3ast read my epic reads wallpost if you haven't
 
IronicDouble (‽) said:
i guess i'll ask why whoevers lynching me is lynching me (?)

maybe its for my pro tunnel vision glasses on hitmonleet kek
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feel like u r oppurtunistic + sheepy

i hate town who dont think for themselves which is why im always paranoid of wagons

it also makes me super paranoid when people follow my reads

im the hedgehog dilemna incarnate mafia player
 
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