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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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Can't tell if I'm getting too annoyed by your attempts to get me to react wrong in relaction to Asek or general shade throwing ever since I named you as one of my suspects(feel free to show me day 4 posts pre my post where you are gunning for me). Also I feel like Asek is a bit too easy of a mislynch when rssp1 can't be expected toto defend himself.
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Asek is an easy mislynch and Id isn't ?

You proposed problems not solutions, so nothing that happened this game could really be traced back to you. Let's solve the day 1 votes! Josh: "lynch king". There was very little question as to this being the outcome if the day1 lynch became the foundation of targets. Hitmon got to live another day, another chance to get away with not being lynched, and it was painful shifting through that day seeing how close you all came to not lynching him. And even then you still argued to leave him till later.
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I'm legitimately perplexed by this, is your point that I didn't take any stances to stay safe as scum because that's not true. I think there's a big chance that Asek is scum and you town but your latest post can come off as a deflection attempt onto Id and casting shade on me while you're at it. I did vote Blazade d3 and was suspicious of him d1 so I guess you must've missed it when you say that I never pushed that slot before day 4.

IronicDouble (‽) said:
ok lightwolf but notice how i dont really have time --- i cant make long posts like you they too long to make + read

i did give my reads before if you wanna take a good ol' reading back
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Well you did write fairly lenghty reads post earlier so if you try you can
 
Why rssp1 is town

the main theory of my read here are the reactions between asek and Jalmont.

Jalmont said:
That isn't at all why I'm lynching Asek. "Creating discussion" is overrated anyways, like who cares if you're creating discussion if you aren't saying anything meaningful about anything.
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honestly i dont imagine a scum trying to off the bat find evidence why their scumbuddy is scum, and instead it sorta seemed like an easy rvs vote here
saying the interaction looked fake is possible, but personally i have found scum doesnt normally off the bat "try" and bus their scumpartner

also I read back on Asek's talk and while he sort of did defend Hitmonleet, it seemed like he thought there were better lynches for then. i dont think asek ever tred leet he just thought there were better lynches that could regard a player's alignment. in doing so, i don't think he should be read as scum for "defending" leet since leet was practically done for anyway...

and finally, i'm disliking how iirc there were ALOT of people tring asek like d3ish and now theres a wagon formed on him. if you tr him rn imo say so because idk what happened to that thought. not really sure what the reason of lynching asek besides "the interaction seemed fake" is, and i certainly do not like the asek/rssp lynch.

more on my srs when i get the time
 
Alright so
I've been operating off the belief that Asek=town and it's led me to lynch Pancake and end up with Id/Fort/Knights poe pool, two of which i'm confident are town and one who might be too. This obviously prompts the conclusion that I've overlooked someone in my town pool (or that two scum are in the poe pile and just have good tone but as paranoid as I am, I doubt it). I read back into earlier days to sort my reads out and it became apparent that scum!Asek explained like everything I was stumbling on, if it's a mislynch we still have room for error but I can't imagine not flipping this before lylo now. Asek being scum lowers the odds of scum!Id significantly and Id's tone d2 didnt seem suspicious. Perhaps facts are just framing Asek and his interaction with Jalmont which imo is easy to stage and looks disingenuous (like when Jalmont goes "pushing for easy lynches mmmmm?" as Asek drops a rvs) just clean him but he can't be given the benefit of the doubt here.
 
Why Knights and Moody are scum

starting with knights, i'd like to use what i used with my previous read here. so while jalmont had actual interactions with jalmont, i dont think jalmont mentioned knights name ONCE. like literally not once unless im stupid but im pretty sure i just stated a fact

KnightsofCydonia said:
Current reads:

Lean Town: Hawkie
Null: Jalmont, Josh
Lean scum: Texas

I'm placing Josh as null right now. He's playing kinda like he wants to win by giving everyone else an aneurysm, but attitude is NAI. If he's Town, he might want to consider the benefits of actually being readable.

Until I hear from Texas, he's a scum lean. There were no indicators that other players had built any reads off his own reads and yet that's exactly what he's bragging. It comes off as trying to create your own Towncred.
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so like here the guy says null reads are jalmont and josh then just talks about josh and doesnt talk about jalmont in this post read. he may have talked about him earlier (?) but i didnt catch it.

now for the hitmonleet issue i believe he didn't completely sr leet, and sort of tried to defend him. however, the interaction between knights and leet is sort of hard to analyze especially because leet doesnt open his profile so i can check his messages.

the biggest problem for me honestly is the way he plays. he says "be serious guys" but when i check his messages i see many filler messages. however what i am most suspicious about is the fact he tries to engage conversation, but doesn't really participate in it. for example, he did lengthy isos, but i dont remember if he actually participated in the conversation aside from just engaging it.

for these reasons, knights is my highest sr [with moody]

moody analysis coming up later
 
I'm heading to the wedding tomorrow and will highly likely not post at all, plus I do not think twin has a sub for this slot
if twin has a sub it's worth keeping me alive, otherwise im effectively going to be dead so if you can get more info out of me being dead and confirmed town than alive yet effectively dead and unconfirmed you guys can lynch me
if not id prefer that you lynch someone else
 
if what id says re: me is the case then i'd definitely look into people who suddenly switched their views on asek after I subbed in
given my excessive laziness and the fact that there are a ton of pages in this game, its fairly easy to push a lynch onto me given that i'm not going to look back to defend myself (i think thats been proven by today anyways)
 
Why Moody is scum

ill be honest here, i read back onto moody and read him a bit townier than knights, however i could defintely still see moody as scum

Jalmont said:
so uhhh how do people feel about moody? hm i just reread him and I like him. interesting, didn't expect that.
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interesting jalmont regards moody here as "liked" or im assuming townie. "how do you feel" here could mean alot of things, 1. scum wanting to know what their buddy is being viewed upon d1 or 2. just plain curious. that's a question to figure out yourselves (since i mean that question practically determines moody's alignment lol)

i dont recall moody + jalmont interacting that much either, although i may be mistaken.

for the leet lynch, moody sort of shrugged off the fact that there was a leet wagon ongoing. voting history says d2 he didn't vote leet once and instead ended up voting king and d3 voted blazade, me, and then as the 2nd to last lynch lynched leet. what i find interesting is that moody did in fact lynch leet instead of backing him up, and what bugs me even more is that leet selfhammered himself to give town no time for additional discussion. and while it might just be me overthinking, i can see moody and leet talking and hammering for day to end abruptly.

and to be honest, moody's reads are what others have said that day: d1 voted ullar [had like 5 lynches or something on him] d2 lynches king [again like 5ish] d3 lynches leet [6 i think] d4 lynches pancake [first lynch here] d5 lynches rssp [2nd i think] --- so here the only time he made an original read was d4 on pancake and tbf it was an easy lynch for scum as there was ample evidence to prove pancake scum without being seen as tunnel.

moody's activity however is more townie than scum tbh, which is why i'm stuck between voting moody and knights. interaction wise, here id say moody, but with his recent activity and the way he answers questions, id say knights is more scummy than him.

also i dont really see the moody + knights combo if one flips scum id say the other is town

Unvote vote Knights
 
ID, I've got lists if you wanna talk about people Jalmont didn't talk about. I've also got a quote I can pull for the question of Nullmont being brought up again. I've got a shitty daygame, nights spent trying to catch up to decent, and the opinion that I never did actually catch up to decent.

Hitmon kinda took me by surprise. While I'm sitting there wondering if everyone is right or wrong about one of the players I haven't paid much attention to, I see him using my own phrasing to describe a slot. Weird, but it's nothing to build a case on, so I just let the read silently progress downward. By the time I was certain, the wagon had filled up.

I probably shouldn't go to LyLo, but our best opportunity to drop me was in D4 when we could do it without too much pain.
 
i may do my opinion on fort / yeti / lightwolf later ill give some prelim gut feelings

fort honestly im not sure he seems pretty intent on lynching me [for good reasons i am acting like im shit :^)] but id probably have to read further into him to really give myself a better feeling on him

yeti is meh i dont see him killing josh when they are having world war iii but at the same time i do see that so im pretty much confused. i also neglect to read yeti's posts at all they spam up chat and are too long so that also might be a reason i think he is meh.

blazade sort of seemed under the cloud (or w/e the saying is), but lightwolf's recent posts have made me think otherwise. ironic thing is i null/sr blazade but null/tr lightwolf isnt that strange -_-

tbh tho i probably wont have enough time this day to do any more in-depth analysis...if someone is curious to my opinion on x just ask [tag me pls]
 
KnightsofCydonia said:
ID, I've got lists if you wanna talk about people Jalmont didn't talk about. I've also got a quote I can pull for the question of Nullmont being brought up again. I've got a shitty daygame, nights spent trying to catch up to decent, and the opinion that I never did actually catch up to decent.

Hitmon kinda took me by surprise. While I'm sitting there wondering if everyone is right or wrong about one of the players I haven't paid much attention to, I see him using my own phrasing to describe a slot. Weird, but it's nothing to build a case on, so I just let the read silently progress downward. By the time I was certain, the wagon had filled up.

I probably shouldn't go to LyLo, but our best opportunity to drop me was in D4 when we could do it without too much pain.
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are you saying that i shouldnt bring up jalmont up in my reads ever again lol

ive seen a defeatism post before somewhere in d3 iirc and honestly defeatism urks me to unvote here, but for now i'm gonna just stay and see what happens. sorrie :3
 
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