What I posted makes sense and uses logic, what you posted doesn't. People don't go to whorehouses just to look around.
Also, what is acceptable in trading is sticked at the top of the wifi forums, and it doesn't include hacking of any kind.
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Hacked parents
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What I posted makes sense and uses logic, what you posted doesn't. People don't go to whorehouses just to look around.
Also, what is acceptable in trading is sticked at the top of the wifi forums, and it doesn't include hacking of any kind.
I'd say that if a hacked Pokemon is accepted by the game without you noticing anything untoward (like an incorrect meeting place, incorrect typing, glitches, incorrect ability, stats that are too high and so on), then breeding this Pokemon shouldn't produce illegitimate offspring. But this is just my opinion, as I've never bred a Pokemon using hacked parents so far, so I'm answering just from my personal intuition of what should happen.
You do have a point(but then this whole thing is opinionated and so is a waste of time to actually argue since neither side will accept the possibility that they are wrong so whatever.) For the record I am just concerned I know for a fact that some people here use "booster-codes" to make their breeding easier(am not revealing anyone...) and right now I'm unable to trade with anyone due to wifi problems but who knows maybe that will get fixed next time so I want to know(for informational purposes only) whether such codes would be detected by nintendo. I mean will they be able to tell if a pokemon was pre-maturely hatched? If so I would not like to receive a pokemon like that at all and in order to lessen the likelihood of falling victim to scammers I must learn the basics of hacking.
If you want something that is completely clean, I would steer clear of those "booster codes" as well, and I would hope anyone using them would at least make a note in their trade thread. AR leaves more of a paper trail than you would think.
Of course Nintendo will be less thorough than the people who dismantle the games to figure out exactly how a Pokemon is made.
Of course Nintendo will be less thorough than the people who dismantle the games to figure out exactly how a Pokemon is made.
Fast Egg hatch does not show up at all, it is also pretty much accepted by most traders on this game, including Anti and others. The game reads it as legit, no hacks were done to the poke itself, so by all means it is legit. I certainly wouldn't care if someone used fast egg hatch, but just like everytghing else related to hacking, it really comes down to what you are happy with. Just gotta make sure you know what you are trading for, if you don't like quick hatch, ask the person if they used it before you trade with them. :)
Most don't just so you know which makes trading a lot harder because you think you know somebody but they turn out to be just like any other hacker. And yes I do agree that AR leaves trails but I think it is on the gamepack not on the pokemon itself feel free to correct me if I'm wrong you are the master with the hex codes so is there any way for you to check there?
That's kind of a funny argument. "Hacking parents is morally bad, but quick hatching isn't". Arguably, I'd say that quick hatching make the breeding process go much much faster than hacking an all 31 parent, or a parent with 31s in the slots that matter anyway. Since you can only pass 3 IVs, at best you're guaranteed 3 perfects, but who knows where they'll be at. Quick hatching means you can chain your breeding and probably get great parents in the time it takes me to hatch a single egg. Not that I have an AR or any other cheating implement, I'm just amused by those who argue that quick hatching is somehow "less bad" than hacking parents.
But quick hatching is the same as normal hatching but quicker (lol), you change your chance of getting high IVs (the point of breeding) when you hack parents, but you have the natural chances when you use quick hatching. And it isn't that boring, or painful for your fingers as hatching eggs naturally.
Quick hatching only make the process less boring. If it's wrong, so does cloning with AR. You CAN clone on GTS, but why keep trying and taking a lot of time to clone a single pokemon, when you can clone five in the same time.
Btw, quick hatching doesn't change the pokemon at all, so it's still legit.
Quick hatching only make the process less boring. If it's wrong, so does cloning with AR. You CAN clone on GTS, but why keep trying and taking a lot of time to clone a single pokemon, when you can clone five in the same time.
Btw, quick hatching doesn't change the pokemon at all, so it's still legit.
So I guess the majority are OK with the quick hatch booster(damn wish I had an AR now I'm so at a disadvantage :/). I have a question though I mean some people do breeding projects and turn up pokes with 25+ in all the stats do they use the hacked parents to breed such beautiful pokes in less than 5 days or what?
I'm doing a couple of breeding projects since the last month and I can tell you it's kinda hard.
But sometimes you get lucky. I bred the Infernape in my thread in only one day. It's not that good, and I spent the whole day working on it, but it's possible to get good stuff in a few days without quick hatching.
But sometimes you get lucky. I bred the Infernape in my thread in only one day. It's not that good, and I spent the whole day working on it, but it's possible to get good stuff in a few days without quick hatching.
And hacking parents is the same as breeding for good parents but quicker. lol? You increase the odds of getting a "good" pokemon in the same amount of time far more significantly with quick hatch than hacked parents. I'm not arguing that hacked parents aren't cheating, but simply that quick hatch isn't "morally better" than using hacked parents. In fact, from a game standpoint, you're cheating on time more. BTW, I don't use AR cloned pokemon so that's kind of a moot point in this moral argument. I'd be fine if no one used AR cloned pokes.
No, it isn't. Let's suppose I got 2 wild parents with only one flawless IV each. It'll take ages to hatch a six flawless one even usign quick hatching. Hacking you can get them in a couple of minutes. It's COMPLETELY non-sense to compare hacking parents with quick hatching.
Hacking parents, you're making a one in 1.073.741.824 chance become 100% TWICE. Using quick hatch, you're just making hatching a less tiring process.
Even with hacked flawless parents, you've still got only a 1:59.916 chance of getting all perfects, but that's neither here nor there. I certainly don't breed for 6x flawless. I go for my 3-4 perfects and hope for decent numbers in the other 2-3 stats.
Assuming a relatively serious breeder, no one uses a single flawless IV parent for long, they chain it with their ditto stores to get to 3-4 flawless parents. You're expediting the process far faster with quick hatch, depending on how high you want your IVs obviously, than jumping immediately to having your flawless IV'd parents. After 3 IVs it's all RNG, and when you're hatching 5-40 eggs in the same amount of time that it takes another breeder to hatch one, obviously you're going to get your higher IVs faster, no matter how good the parents are.
I'll clarify that I don't particularly care if someone uses quick hatch, hacked parents or even hacks the IVs within limits on their pokemon, but this moral high ground for "only" using quick hatch is absolutely ridiculous.
Of course people will chain breed, and I took that into account when I said it'd take ages to breed a six flawless IVs on the previous situation.
Plus, you said you only want about 3~4 flawless IVs when you're breeding. It's even easier to get them when you use 6 flawless parents.
No it's not. It's still 3 IVs passing down each time, and the other 3 determined by RNG. 6 flawless simply means that I have a chance of getting a flawless stat passed to a useless stat. I've had my fair share of random high attacks being passed to my CM clefable babies. (not that I'm hacking in emerald, simply that one of my parents has a flawless/near flawless atk.)
I suggest that you don't give an answer to the TC's question, simply because if everyone looks at this and thinks "oh its alright to use 2 flawless parents to breed" we'd have everyone using hacked dittos in the wi-fi section. Now, I'm not pointing at anyone but I KNOW for certain that some of the newcomers are using them since they have like friggin' quint or quad perfect pokes right when they join?
@Fenikkusu, think of it this way. Say you're breeding for a Porygon Z and you want hp fight with flawless IVs 31/30/30/30/30/30. If you had a LEGIT ditto with 1 or 2 of the IVs you want to pass and you use the fast hatch code, your chances are still low because a double flawless ditto + triple flawless parent is like 1:23 chance? Where as if you use a PERFECT ditto and perfect parent. You chances are much much greater than using the fast hatch code.
@ronnie, nature of chimchar? XD
It is easier to get 3~4 flawless IVs using 6 flawless parents than using random 31 parents born after hatching a lot of eggs.
Let's suppose I wanna a Lucario. Flawless Spd and Atk/Sp.Atk are needed. But a 2 flawless Lucario with crappy defenses isn't acceptable, so let's assume I want 25+ on other stats (save the opposite atk IV).
Situations:
A - I have 6 flawless parents.
B - I have one 6 flawless parent.
C - I have flawless Atk/Spd parents, gotten after hatching about 50 eggs, one of them has 25+ HP and all the other IVs are below 20, because they're real parents, not hacked one.
If after hatcing 50 eggs I still have a REALLY difficult situation, imagine how easy it is to get a good Lucario on the first or even the second situations.
It's relatively easy to pass flawless Atk/Spd, but you'll still have a hard time to get good defenses/HP.
When you have 6 flawless parents, it's way easier to get these high IVs, because you have a higher chance of passing these IVs instead of trusting on random generation number.
Hacking parents make the job WAY easier than hacthing eggs. Plus, it changes one of game mechanics. It can't be compared with quick hatching, that does nothing but make the hatching process less tiring.
Let's suppose I wanna a Lucario. Flawless Spd and Atk/Sp.Atk are needed. But a 2 flawless Lucario with crappy defenses isn't acceptable, so let's assume I want 25+ on other stats (save the opposite atk IV).
Situations:
A - I have 6 flawless parents.
B - I have one 6 flawless parent.
C - I have flawless Atk/Spd parents, gotten after hatching about 50 eggs, one of them has 25+ HP and all the other IVs are below 20, because they're real parents, not hacked one.
If after hatcing 50 eggs I still have a REALLY difficult situation, imagine how easy it is to get a good Lucario on the first or even the second situations.
It's relatively easy to pass flawless Atk/Spd, but you'll still have a hard time to get good defenses/HP.
When you have 6 flawless parents, it's way easier to get these high IVs, because you have a higher chance of passing these IVs instead of trusting on random generation number.
Hacking parents make the job WAY easier than hacthing eggs. Plus, it changes one of game mechanics. It can't be compared with quick hatching, that does nothing but make the hatching process less tiring.
The hacked parents are possibly faster argument only applies to genderless pokemon, and that's only because it mainly depends on your ditto, since you can only chain one parent instead of both. Regardless with pory though, you're still getting eggs much faster than a breeder not using fast hatch, so your 1:23 chance is about the same amount of time that it took another breeder to hatch about 6-7 eggs, assuming they put an egg back in the box, get the new egg, and then grab the other egg each iteration.
Obviously, since 3 flawless have to be passed no matter what, you'll always get 3 perfects, it's just a matter of placement, if you're guaranteed 3 perfects, then yes, you'll have a higher chance of getting 4 flawless since you only need the RNG to crap out one extra flawless for you.
Considering I've been breeding without hacked parents, or quick hatch code, yes I can well imagine how difficult it is to pick parents. For that matter, I'm also breeding on the assumption that even if I get a good pokemon, there's a 50% chance that it'll be useless (lol magic guard clefable w/ softboiled), so I'm well aware of the RNG.
Regarding defense and HP, I almost always trust RNG for HP, because it's the most difficult to pass, and I have better odds with RNG than hoping for it via breeding. If I get a good IV'd parent who also coincidentally has a perfect HP IV, I'll use it obviously, but I'm not pinning too many hopes on the HP IV passing.
While arguing odds of passing perfect IVs with better parents is fun, it comes down to the fact that only 3 IVs are being passed, so you want your key 3 IVs in both your parents, which is easy to do for all but genderless pokemon. Since ditto can't be bred, you have to rely on luck for that one, and I will concede that hacking your perfect 31 ditto is probably more of a boost than quick hatching in those cases. But with gendered pokemon, the quick hatch will get you parents that are comparably good for breeding fairly quickly, and hit the RNG odds better by sheer volume.
Both methods involve cutting out the amount of time involved. Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you're going to hack through the process via quick hatch/hacked parents, you might as well just go all the way and hack the IVs you want since you're already altering the game mechanics. In for a penny, in for a pound, but that's just me. You can play all the morality games you want, but the fact remains, you're still reducing the amount of time it takes to get what you want, and doing so by altering the game itself.
my opinion is.. the majority of players hack wheather it being legit kinda stuff or overblown kinda stuff it don't matter. cause were all gonna end up playing those people. wich is why i got an ar to catch up. i just hope nintendo makes somthing unhackable in the future (I know its unlikely)
but for now its just a fact i don't do any freeky stuff but i do what i need to do keep myself interisted in the game.
but for now its just a fact i don't do any freeky stuff but i do what i need to do keep myself interisted in the game.
Quick Hatching certainly helps getting a good pokemon faster because it let you hatch more eggs in less time, but again, you have the same chances of getting good IVs, and you do not change the pokemon data.
Plus, its main use is to make hatching less tiring and painful to our fingers, not giving us better pokemon faster. And nevertheless, it'll still take a lot of time and effort.
Plus, its main use is to make hatching less tiring and painful to our fingers, not giving us better pokemon faster. And nevertheless, it'll still take a lot of time and effort.
Do you use it Gabriel(just asking...)?