NOC C9++ Game Thread

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kirsche said:
Lmao champ I read all of your stuff mate, I even claimed in that post that the only thing I thought was potentially a misrepresentation of what you wrote is the earlio tl;dr. Everything else I am pretty confident in. It was mostly grievances with player meta and calling out RVS votes mid way through Day 1 (a pointless excercise in futility) anything else was either up in the air as a read or just weird (teh weird stuff is of the most conern for me).

For example, let's take a closer look at your Haruno read, point by point:

- "RVS post. Acceptable" Apparently this is sarcasm but I doubt you mean that RVS voting in itself is unacceptable. If it's neutral then it's padding which is a concept you seem to agree with.
-"P-M" I guess this is a bad thing?
-"+1" agreeing with someone doesn't mean you think they are town.
-"P-M" I guess this is a bad thing? Please expand on whether people's use of P-M is scummy and not just bad/annoying reasoning.

So where did this Haruno read come from exactly? You think he's town but nothing here indicates that he is town. This is just one of many poorly explained and communicated reads of yours, which was what the tl;dr was trying to convey (the lack of good explanation and padding of content).



My B scumlord is a common term on SF, I was calling attention to the fact that you townread BBM even though you thought he was playing the way mafia would. You can probably understand my confusion at that. Still want you to expand on him more though.

Your Jalmont read was ok btw but it wouldn't be an accurate tl;dr if I overlooked it. Lurking is pretty bad yeah but if all you have to say about their content is that they've made a good post then the argument looks a little weird. This and your Earlio read were your most agreeable stuff, though maybe I'm biased for agreeing with you about Earlio.



I'm not going to let you avoid committing to a read no matter how obvious you claim it is. Honestly if BBM is townie for playing like mafia anything's possible.

I'm not interested in null reads or you padding out your posts with more fruitless stuff, that's the issue I'm having with you. You still haven't voted, given a lynch priority, made a case with even remotely acceptable reasoning etc so why shouldn't we lynch you? This stuff is scummy because not committing to reads and votes means that you're not fully invested in scumhunting and are trying to take a back seat while appearing active with a lot of content.

But yes, I am pretty awesome. Do you think I'm mafia/town or just 11 years old?



Do it, do it, do it.

Still want to know why you want to lynch Haruno though.

Gonna start ISOing now.
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From P-M I basically mean I'm a noob in understanding Player Meta.
 
Thetwinmasters said:
alright who wants to policy turbo haruno
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I do!

Well I mean there's an actual reason, not just policy. I don't think lynching an idler today is great though. Tomorrow prob.

unvote vote Earlio Paperblade

Unfortunately I think this is the vote for today. Earlio to me is just the classic "attempting to fit in but doing so in a way that won't identify my mafia teammates." As much as it breaks my heart, I think he's the best shot at scum beyond "meta" reads and inactivity stuff. People have already pointed out their problems with his posts and I won't reiterate what's already been said.

The last couple of pages have been pretty zzz in all honesty, too much space taken up by Durza and Champ. I appreciate their efforts but sadly I'm nowhere near convinced by any of the arguments they offer. I do appreciate them though. Fenrir disappearing is the big absence that is worrying, but I'm not prepared to really worry about it right now. The next person that's bugging me is kirsche and in particular I find his engagement with Champ to be really odd. I'm not saying he's buddying champ but it's surprising to me that he's continually engaging a post that seems fairly obvious we're not going to get a lot of meaning out of. His read on me is also not great.

BBM + zorbees are still town if anyone cares. peace
 
To clarify as I didn't before, Jalmont, you're effectively a null read but that was just my analysis of your content and what I want to see from you.

Jalmont said:
The last couple of pages have been pretty zzz in all honesty, too much space taken up by Durza and Champ. I appreciate their efforts but sadly I'm nowhere near convinced by any of the arguments they offer.
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Jalmont what are your reads on these two you kinda implied Durza was scummy before but haven't really talked about champ as far as I can recall. You criticised me for pushing him for a particular post but you act like I don't have a conclusion from my attacks as you didn't comment on that at all. In particular, it's pretty silly to say that I wasn't gonna get any meaning out of it when I have indeed confirmed that the vast majority of it WAS pointless filler (P-M not alignment indicative, sarcastic and alignment unindicative RVS comments).

That said I agree that I think new unrelated posts from Champ are needed (e.g. who is scum, actually voting someone etc) to evaluate further but I'm pretty happy with my vote here. Started off the day with an out of nowhere role claim followed by many pages of role wifoming, followed by a blank until posting the despicable reads post.

Champ > Durza = Earlio >>>>> Acid

Durza and Earlio are the only other ones I would lynch.
 
I think Champ is a silly lynch. I agree that his analysis is poor/filler, but I don't think it comes from a place where he is bs'ing for the sake of trying to look good. I think Champ is much more inclined to be quiet and not post as much as scum. IMO Champ is a weak lynch and pushing him looks weak to me especially when there's someone like Earlio who's produced even less than Champ.

Do you think that Champ claims VT every game regardless of if he is VT or not?
 
haruno is scummy because for the first 24-36 hours of the game they made like 10 posts (more than most people, and most of them coming out of RVS) and said almost nothing in those posts. plus, what they did say had very little reasoning behind it. for me it has do with the content/post ratio and disinterest (eg saying other people should analyze the durza wagon). and I'm inferring that haruno is a pretty experienced player from what other people have said, so all this is more egregious to me than stuff that champ and durza have done.

I would still lynch earlio over haruno though, because earlio's posts are characteristic of someone who's just trying to blend in and go with whatever the wagons are. also, champ and durza have both put more effort into mining the thread to look for reads, even if a lot of what they said doesn't make sense. earlio just had a reads list (which also didn't make sense) and a mini-slapfight with champ over which of them was contributing more (answer: neither)

earlio > haruno > champ >> durza for me

we've got a little less than 13 hours left so we should probably consolidate on earlio or durza at this point tbh.
 
Jalmont said:
I think Champ is a silly lynch. I agree that his analysis is poor/filler, but I don't think it comes from a place where he is bs'ing for the sake of trying to look good. I think Champ is much more inclined to be quiet and not post as much as scum. IMO Champ is a weak lynch and pushing him looks weak to me especially when there's someone like Earlio who's produced even less than Champ.

Do you think that Champ claims VT every game regardless of if he is VT or not?
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But he IS being quiet and not posting much lol. Him and Earlio suffer a lot of the same things but there's really not much to add to the Earlio discussion and I don't even think I have hope of getting any info out of them since it's abundently clear they just want to vote the main wagon each and every time.

No but if he did it last game the results from it may have tempted him as scum. It's a very easy way to emulate one's "town meta" after all.

BigBangMeteor said:
we've got a little less than 13 hours left so we should probably consolidate on earlio or durza at this point tbh.
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Thankfully we don't need hammer to lynch, Earlio should claim.
 
I know I'm on the chopping block and there's really not much for me to do to help that (for the other one I basically had a seizure until everyone backed off, trying to learn from that but it's obviously not going well), but I'm a Roleblocker for town. And here's addressing the arguments against me (in a much more collected way than Durza!)
There was the original leaving reads and running, which was circumstance of the time and I knew looked scummy
There's the low post count because I remember what happened last time I tried posting filler
And the one that I find most offensive is that my posts sound like I'm being told what to write (am I not even entitled to show improvement) to not draw suspicion to whoever these teammates are. I'm just trying to sound less dumb, mind you.
There's also the "will jump on any wagon" claim which isn't really what I'm doing, I pressure voted Durza early on, swapped to Fenrir but was satisfied by his response, and then I was the first person to vote champ, now a pretty reasonable scum read, before finally switching back to Durza because of what he was doing at the time (being pissy and claiming doc).
 
Earlio said:
I know I'm on the chopping block and there's really not much for me to do to help that (for the other one I basically had a seizure until everyone backed off, trying to learn from that but it's obviously not going well), but I'm a Roleblocker for town. And here's addressing the arguments against me (in a much more collected way than Durza!)
There was the original leaving reads and running, which was circumstance of the time and I knew looked scummy
There's the low post count because I remember what happened last time I tried posting filler
And the one that I find most offensive is that my posts sound like I'm being told what to write (am I not even entitled to show improvement) to not draw suspicion to whoever these teammates are. I'm just trying to sound less dumb, mind you.
There's also the "will jump on any wagon" claim which isn't really what I'm doing, I pressure voted Durza early on, swapped to Fenrir but was satisfied by his response, and then I was the first person to vote champ, now a pretty reasonable scum read, before finally switching back to Durza because of what he was doing at the time (being pissy and claiming doc).
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Are you a 1 shot
 
How am I scummier than Durza, who's only claimed Doctor and tried to make twin look like scum because Twin focused him?
 
kirsche said:
But he IS being quiet and not posting much lol. Him and Earlio suffer a lot of the same things but there's really not much to add to the Earlio discussion and I don't even think I have hope of getting any info out of them since it's abundently clear they just want to vote the main wagon each and every time.

No but if he did it last game the results from it may have tempted him as scum. It's a very easy way to emulate one's "town meta" after all.



Thankfully we don't need hammer to lynch, Earlio should claim.
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Oh lord I just noticed kirsche said earlio should claim.
 
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