NOC Bard's College Mafia - Day Three

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It's fucking irritating being told I'm playing poorly without being told what exactly I'm doing that constitutes "poor play." Especially because I don't consider Texas to have done anything either. He didn't do anything yesterday but post nonsense early in the day, followed that up with a nonsensical "scumtell," and then decided to swap his vote at the last second. Sure man you do you, but don't sit here and tell me I'm playing poorly when you also had plenty of time to come up with a lynch and decided not to (this also goes for proph).

Why do we need to get our pants in a twist because we mislynched. god damn lol
 
oh right worht mentioning but NOC GOAT has used inspect on texas and he showed up as town. Kinda sketchy given what the flip was, but maybe it's worth taking note of. YW
 
You know the "quality" here would look much better if you actually bothered to substantiate your reads. I agree or am neutral with most of what your reads are (except for Bloodrain/Earlio town, where'd you get those from?), it'd be much easier to follow/be convinced by you if you show your train of thought and explain the reads rather than throw out unsubstantiated stances like that
 
Alright, morning people, I'm a bit tired, so if anything sounds confusing, just hmu and I can explain it better.

Imma go in reverse order to mix it up.
lynch haruno or hitmonleet


since haruno is a so called cop i will proceed to not policy lynch and lynch actual scum here

vote hitmonleet

Why? What's your reasoning? What's your reasoning for all of your reads, in fact, since you seem to have refused to give any.

I think Texas and Jalmont are both Town here. Individually I read them as Town and I don't think scum Jalmont would want to stage something like that against a pretty towny player.

Vote: Aura Guardian

Carrying my vote over from yesterday, until user convinces me otherwise.


Granny Pie, nah you aren't being lynched (yet) so there's no need to claim, maybe stop fluffposting a little and you could avoid being lynched.

A bit of a towny post here, but tbh the last paragraph just feels a bit wierd to me. Might warrant further inspection.

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The whole Texas-Jalmont thing reads town v town to me. I know when two stubborn people get into an argument.

Thought process on champ re jordan seems town oriented, he's looking through things through his own lens and picking up on things that don't jive with his personal viewpoint. i get your pings on the waffling int he first para but that looks pretty heavily like a stylistic touch of his



Consistent tone



NAI for me



Other posts aren't particularly relevant to me. Bloody reads genuine to me, they're internally consistent and approaching things from a reasoning perspective, trying to sort out where they stand on things

Agree here, pretty much echoes my sentiments on Bloody exactly. The champ thing, tbh, I haven't really looked at him too much (the whole role reveal thing).

amending in that case

I'm going to treat the mxmts wagon as [jalmont, prophylaxis, aura guardian, me, former]

and the granny wagon as [champ, knights, hitmon, meowmixx] for the purposes of wagonomics

with the off wagon as [mxmts, haruno, jordan, earlio, bluedoom, granny, metal sonic, viper, bloody, moody, toni]

Huh? I wasn't on a wagon, and hopped on the mxmts wagon at EoD to avoid a flash-counterwagon, since I felt a bit more confident in mxmts being scum compared to granny.

the flashwagon heavily implicates one (or two?) of AG / Texas / Former / Leet depending on how granny flips

Vote Granny Pie

I'm not scum, so that's a non-issue.

I'll be back tomorrow with reads/thread activity and such, just joined another mafia game and have an assignment due tonight that I procrastinated on.

Kind of lost because once again the mxmts wagon was so easy to justify, but I'll try to get a reread in and focus for Today.

Can you clarify this? I'm probably terribly misreading this atm since I'm tired, but it sounds really wierd and sus to me.

notes from the night

im kinda biased against aura guardian cause i really dont like their playstyle so everything i see from them will look scummy but something like #13 is really easy to say as mafia for 'town cred'

bluedoom's #24 looks positive, I don't see any reason for a mafia to make that post, it gains them nothing

tonal note on post #29, look for consistency, this is either town disinterested in something they aren't engaging with or scum not liking the focus

liking knights' content, nothing super in depth but approaching the game from the right direction

earlio's #33 looks very self-conscious, could easily be a nervous mafia and unless i'm mistaken proph picked up on that with the rvs vote, canny.

champ has to be town here right? like her posts are so overtly scummy if you assume native english but so overtly towny if you assume non-native confusion. wary of the blatant buddy on me though

definitely liking bluedoom's game, solid town read with proph

i'm not convinced i didn't write jordan's #51 myself, my thoughts exactly

i got a little defensive from proph's #58 but completely missed the point of his post, that's a good town look

hitmonleet RVSing on page 3 is sketchy

bloodyrains #82 looks a bit fluffy but there's some consistent lines of thought in there, feels like a town angle to me. given where the vote ended up their 112 looks pretty decent as they would have had plenty of opportunity to follow up and push an mxmts lynch more than they did

hitmonleet is a hard null right now, i really don't like them on tone but i think that's biasing me to read them as scummy when their content doesn't support that

mixxx's series up to #92 looks like how i post when im trying to appear casual as scum

jordan is town im pretty sure, i think i've picked up reads on him from the last game and if he's not i should be able to tell

still reaaaaally not liking hitmonleet (at #123)

former's #126 is typically NAI but a slight town ping for me in game context, also has the toni investigation going for him on page 7

aura's reads post on 7 is also suspicious

jalmont's #192 and #193 look way too aggressive after the flip, far too confident a read given comparative lack of substance. especially given the active counterwagon and d1 wagons being easy to avoid this vote is a bad look

mixxx's #204 is a super easy post for scum to make albeit not inherently scummy itself

not sure what to make of aura guardian's "buddying scumlink" stuff, its such an inherently flawed concept idk how to evaluate it as an indicator

unfortunately this is probably town game haruno. scum haruno actually does things

scratch the previous comment about jalmont's #192 and #193, I doubt scum!jalmont comes back to reinforce the wagon at #236. more likely poorly playing town to echo prophy

that being said i still dislike his whole approach of casting a wide net of suspicion on people

why is every single post meowmixxx makes (#255) sounding like its scum trying to sound towny. content is empty but strong tonally based scum read

i've changed my mind, granny is definitely scum (per #258). this entire post is textbook play for a first-time mafia

leet's #264 looks better

odd bracketing of the wagons given the last minute vote switches, I'm going to treat the mxmts wagon as [jalmont, prophylaxis, aura guardian, me] and the granny wagon as [champ, knights, former, hitmon] for the purposes of wagonomics with the off wagon as [mxmts, haruno, meowmixx, jordan, earlio, bluedoom, granny, metal sonic, viper, bloody, moody, toni]

off wagon should be the focus of scumhunting for today, the main wagons are awkward to analyze and should be mostly ignored given the flash nature but i'm hesitant to say there's more than one scum among them, off wagon however i confidently expect a minimum of three scum to be in

Tfw RVS OMGUS is suspicious
Tfw outside of that this is actually a really good read list
Tfw you agree with a read list that reads you as scum

if mxmts is scum we crack open a cold one

if he ends up flipping town look at GP/champ/hitmonleet/xnadroj
basically look into everyone who is not posting outside of the 7 or so people actively trying to solve

pretty decent odds than 1-2 of the scum are just in the very low posters

That moment when you get suspected because you have a life and not enough time to make loads and loads of posts.

Will talk more later, with the timed public inspect (I think?) The champroll seems like something to look at today.
 
Sorry but my activity is going to drop for a bit, busy week here. Might not be able to post tomorrow, day after should be possible.

Didn't want an mxmts lynch but can't say anything about it now. The timing of the Champ role reveal thing is p weird and feels like its a gambit by scum to delay her lynch, if she's scum. I feel like if she isn't posting today and using that as an excuse, we should lynch her.

Jalmont looks like frustrated town. Not sure where the poor play thing is coming from; I assume this is just him not having great activity during D1?

Don't like Former Hope atm. Didn't really push a lynch and didn't say anything about Champ until #306. #327 looks bad because the side note is irrelevant. If you think Champ is scum, and you're bringing in the point about mafia using it on her, then why aren't you voting her?

Texas Cloverleaf Could you elaborate on granny pie? I had the feeling that the Prophylaxis vote was coming from scum too since it was aimed at a widely townread player, but I'm a little paranoid about that coming from town. Intuitively it feels like its from scum, since I've done the same thing as scum in my first few mafia games.

XX hasn't really changed his play for me to feel any better about him. It doesn't feel like the posts are pushing the game anywhere.

Lynch Former Hope

Should read people like meowmix, Metal Sonic, Viper, Earlio, Moody and probably more sometime, but its not happening soon.
 
lol, only scum ask for "reasoning", just saying

i'm sticking my vote on hitmonleet,



Jalmont you successfully caught hitmonleet scum in that some other noc game that we playeed in recently. i caught king scum and some other guy scum. anyway, please analyse hitmonleet and tell me your read on him, so that i can back you up against the accusations of "jalmont is useless".

>Jordan
Bro, if you agree with my reads then you agree with it, nothing much needs to be said, really. I'm not writing a college essay on why I came up with my reads only for 10 other townies to go "i agree", its not a great way to spend my time. When I said quality of smogon mafia dropping I meant that compared to 2013, years ago, I swear people were active in the game and there werent as many afk trollers who join games and then do fk nothing... like I did in the past game (<3 you former hope you're the best sub), i mean, if you can't beat them, join them???????????

but seriously, i subbed into this game because it seems like it has a bunch of active players, that's what i call fun

barely. just the bare minimum.
 
mafia is all guesses anyway???????? there is absolutely no solid evidence of any sort except for night actions, we aren't the police here, we're just making guesses as to who is a bad guy through sheer guesswork, no evidence, no proof, we aren't cops who raid your house and found 999 murder weapons in your house

so what kind of "reasoning" is going to make sense???


well, of course, some people's guesses are more accurate than others. sometimes it's experience, sometimes it's talent, but ultimately it's still guesswork, unless you have an inspect or some sort that has solid proof behind it


no point writing a college essay on "unsubstantiated guesswork" anyway... this isnt Pro League mafia, its a casual game lol

anyway, my point is, all my reads are based on my gut
 
mafia is all guesses anyway???????? there is absolutely no solid evidence of any sort except for night actions, we aren't the police here, we're just making guesses as to who is a bad guy through sheer guesswork, no evidence, no proof, we aren't cops who raid your house and found 999 murder weapons in your house

so what kind of "reasoning" is going to make sense???


well, of course, some people's guesses are more accurate than others. sometimes it's experience, sometimes it's talent, but ultimately it's still guesswork, unless you have an inspect or some sort that has solid proof behind it


no point writing a college essay on "unsubstantiated guesswork" anyway... this isnt Pro League mafia, its a casual game lol

anyway, my point is, all my reads are based on my gut and intuition
 
lol, only scum ask for "reasoning", just saying

i'm sticking my vote on hitmonleet,



Jalmont you successfully caught hitmonleet scum in that some other noc game that we playeed in recently. i caught king scum and some other guy scum. anyway, please analyse hitmonleet and tell me your read on him, so that i can back you up against the accusations of "jalmont is useless".

Tfw I'm scum because I want to know why I'm mafia and you don't say anything more and instead tell someone else to read me for you, essentially.

What?
 
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