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Aubisio / Moody / Knights / Durza / 3p1k / Durza / Haruno: have not posted enough for me to get a good read on them or are people I have a hard time reading correctly in general (Moody and Knights)
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I take offense to being mentioned in the "need to post more" pool alongside people who have made literally 0 posts where they show an intent to play the game
 
MoodyCloud said:
Can you sub Durza if they don't make their first post with any relevance to this game in the next 48 hours thank you
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Unfortunately, although I can control the fact that the player makes posts in my game, I cannot control the quality of posts that they make. It is not possible for me to force them to make any post "of relevance" to the game. As they are making the necessary posts within the acceptable time period, and responding to prods timely, and also have not explicitly requested to be subbed out of my game, it is implicit that they wish to remain in my game, despite their performance. As a result, it would be very rude and unfair to them to sub them out.

Players who are unable to commit to the game are encouraged to request to sub out to maintain the good experience of the game for other players, but, as long as they fulfill the activity criteria for staying in the game, I cannot forcefully replace them otherwise.
 
D2 Vote Count 2.1

Blazade (1): Hawkie,
XnadrojX (2): Texas Cloverleaf, MoodyCloud,
Whydon (1): Aubisio,
DurzaOffTopic (1): thetwinmasters,
Jalmont (3): Haruno, jalmont, apricity
Aubisio (3): 3P1K, Earlio, Blazade,
Not Voting (4): DurzaOffTopic, Whydon, XnadrojX, KnightsofCydonia,

Deadline in ~50 hours.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
To answer this specifically:

a) I'm way better at town hunting than scum hunting

b) The setup is 13:4 so I would hope I don't have a lot of scum suspects

c) If the six people I don't have a read on would start to post more I'm sure that situation would change
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if someone was better at scum hunting than town hunting they would be the greatest mafia player ever
 
Which makes me wonder why you were so concerned about my having two scum reads and 8(?) Town reads.

Unless you were more concerned with burying/discrediting my analysis
 
your case on xnadroj is just not a good one. it looks worse in comparison because you wrote a whole lot of words beforehand just to call most people town/you can't get a read on them. I can do the exact same thing too. Anyone can really.

The problem with this argument is that you effectively just gave a free pass to everyone you couldn't read. you're literally punishing someone who tried to engage with the game and using fairly whimsical reasoning at best to explain why he's mafia. your best reason is that this vote will give us info when i dont want info. so it's hard for me to believe you when you tell me this is your strongest scum read. I'm not trying to vote for who is going to give us the most info. I want to vote the person most likely to be mafia.
Texas Cloverleaf said:
tl;dr jordan's second post in the game is a vote on mithril that is extremely defensive. his vote is purely because mithril voted for him and jordan attempts to deflect to the other wagons that currently exist. the motivation for this post is heavily one of self-preservation which is typically a scum motivation.
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ok if u ignore the fact that vote was a near-RVS vote and occurred 12 hours into the game basically, then maybe you'd have a point except self-preservation does not equal mafia. self-preservation is true (or at least should be...) of everyone in the game. you shouldnt want to be lynched regardless of faction. and thats ignoring the fact that this was essentially a RVS vote so i dont know if u purposefully missed that context or what

i mean if you actually look at the post there's very obviously more than just an OMGUS vote - jordans calling mithril for ignoring the discussion at the time and choosing to vote him because inactivity. i'm totally ok with that, especially since i see most "prod" votes as easy for mafia to get town cred for engaging with the game.

in 174, jordan places a weak vote that is easy to justify against thunderballz with time to the deadline, despite having other active scum reads he could be pressuring for information. to quote, "is this town!jordan's strongest read? does he vote for tballz here rather than pushing asek who he outright states is a scum read? I think i maintain the scum read on jordan which is awkward because i agree with a lot of the rest of this post."
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this is your strongest scum read? how about people who placed no vote at all? where do they fit in with all of this? why wouldn't mafia jordan just not vote there, that way he can't get called out either way?
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Which makes me wonder why you were so concerned about my having two scum reads and 8(?) Town reads.

Unless you were more concerned with burying/discrediting my analysis
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Jalmont: This is a hard read. There are posts that have definitive town pings, such as where he tells no one to highlight Asek, post 173 where he says to vote Moody and then votes Aubisio, and then post 390 where the focus is so strongly self-absorbed and concerned with how he is being read by one person that almost always comes from a town mindset (where you're operating as an individual and not a team) that I'm definitely not set in this read and am looking for reasons to shift him into my town pile.

Except there's also post 114 and the whole ties he has to Asek, Hawkie, and Blazade that strongly suggest that of that group one of their member is scum. To quote: "Tonally Jalmont's post suggests one of two things, either he's a town who's having a clear head and wants to talk through a potential town ally for better scumhunting or he's a scum who wants to diminish a potential argument against him. Nothing concrete but in the interactions and posts from the Asek/Blazade/Jalmont slots i'm getting scum and town pings on each slot but also a probability that none are scum partners (albeit without evidence either way in the Blazade+Asek case) which somewhat suggests to me that Jalmont is scum and Asek/Blazade are town interacting with scum.

In summary, I think Jalmont is scum but I won't lynch them now because I'm only confident to about 60%
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your analysis is as follows:

jalmont has town posts. im looking for reasons to make jalmont town (bad idea btw, just introducing bias into your opinion, which is probably unavoidable, but still undesirable). jalmont's 114 suggests that he is either town or mafia. i think these 3 users are either town or mafia but there's also a chance that only 1 is mafia and then there's no evidence in the blazade + asek case which i assume means no evidence that both are mafia partners which then apparently implies i am mafia.

in summary: jalmont is probably mafia but also probably not.

yes. incredible analysis. you really put forward a good case there, at least in the part that was comprehensible
 
Well you're engaging so I'll take that as a win

It's like 4 am so all I'll say right now is that you're wrong about self-preservation. Town are motivated to fund scum, scum are motivated to survive. This is a fundamental premise of mafia and a very reliable way to analyse people's post motivations.
 
Lynch jalmont

I've changed my mind I actually just don't want to play with you anymore

I've gone down this road with haruno and I'm really not interested in dealing with someone who goes out of their way to antagonize me
 
Because no my wall posting and active engagement with the thread isn't indicative at all of trying to game solve for the whole six hours I've been in the game.

Dick.
 
what exactly have you solved

you didn't solve anything. you wrote a bunch of words and concluded nothing. u want me to sit here and be impressed "wow smogon user texas cloverleaf wrote a lot of words on mafia woah!!!!!" ???
 
all right i see the whole of the past 2 pages has been Texas and Jalmont slinging shit at each other, but I don't think voting someone purely because their playstyle annoys you is better than voting a scumread.

I can't really say anything to defend myself from Texas, but while self-preservation is inherently more of a scum trait, some people as town (which I like to say includes me for the purpose of this defense) would place self-preservation as a beneficial trait to have when town as it lowers the PoE. The main argument on me is that I guess so yeah.

Back to real things, what are we going to do about Haruno and Durza?

I feel like I want to townread Jalmont for being so against the tide but then again it could be me being pocketed so.... I'd put him as town for now.


Vote MoodyCloud

Don't like that naked sheeping of Texas
 
The beautiful thing about Texas posting his notes from pre game and building off them is he can do that as scum and still generate a legitimate towngame. I read this as mostly NAI for Texas but really pure and definitely worth engaging.

I disagree that Earlio's first post is any kind of indicator that he's town but nevertheless I've been unable to find scum motivation in his activity up to now. I'm still not sure I understand Twin's arguments after their banter either.

I also don't agree with your argument on Whydon. Making a suggestion for other people to investigate a wagon without following up yourself is just trying to create a distraction.

I've been town leaning Jalmont and Xnadroj because I see them as engaged and your arguments for scum reading them are subtle enough that I'm gonna have to reread the game to engage with them properly.

Now that I've slept on it I'm still good voting aubisio here but I recognize that I might be biased because I'm doing it essentially becauae I don't like how his read has developed toward me, it feels really bandwagony and revisionist.

I could also vote Whydon or Jordan pending a reread at this point, or Durza, or apricity. I probably don't vote Jalmont and I definitely don't vote moodycloud or Texas here.

Still busy this weekend and it's only gonna get worse next week when I go to a conference.
 
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