Gonna respond to this before i go, i dont think anyone would stoop as low as to pester someone till the leave the game to eliminate a threat as scum. If you wanna SR jalmont thats fine but thats a dumb reason
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i mean yeah but also, i didn't think anyone would get so worked up about a power ranking of mafia skill on a pokemon site, yet here we are
Literally no one is worked up but nt
First off me attacking Texas has nothing to do with anything not related in the game. as I've said, I don't really care about whatever people are saying I care about (hurr durr he cares so much to respond lmao. can't wait to be hit with some more brilliant insights by some of the people in this game).
[But while we're on the topic I will say this. I absolutely think it's disingenuous to pretend that that game is anything more a circlejerk that has nothing to do with this subforum and everything to do with pretending that smogon NOC needs to be "saved" or whatever. It's not surprising because everyone hears the same nonsense from the same people over and over again. smogon NOC is bad and the players here are bad and stupid and town always loses etc etc etc. Whatever, circus has always been a circlejerk for certain groups of people and exclusionary practices is nothing new, nor has anything been done about it before so yeah excuse me. No one has ever cared when outside game shit affected in-game stuff until really now so good fucking shit guys. Obviously I'm coming off as bitter here, I just think it's really fucking ironic that it's only now that certain users seem to care about acting nice or whatever.]
I'm arguing with Texas for things entirely related to this game, which is being taken by him and I guess other people to be a personal feud. I think it's fair to say that Texas doesn't like me nor respect how I play and I don't respect how he plays or his opinions about anything. Whatever, that's totally fine and it happens.
But none of this has anything to do with that. My response would be the same whoever posted that long wall of text.
Please feel free to point out where I'm being unreasonable in this thread. Contrary to what you may think, I actually have been trying to work with what's being given me - and my conclusion is the same. Texas wrote a bunch of words that looks nice but really is substanceless. If someone wants to go ahead and explain to me why I should be impressed by a user writing all these only to have 0 interesting things to say, then by all means, explain to me. (and not only is it substanceless, but it's really hard to go through. You need to work really hard to keep track of his thoughts, of what it all means, and of what I should conclude. Like I said, maybe if I was being paid to read this, I would find it really fascinating and would have the time to go through it all. I don't. So let's not pretend like I'm being unreasonable here).
I'm not the one acting like a fucking drama queen and crying about some personal slight. at worst you could say I'm being blunt in my posts. The majority of your words I find to be nonsense and not related to the task at hand. I'm sorry that you don't like it when I point out the things I disagree with. If you don't want to engage with me go ahead. But I would like everyone at least to try and see where I'm coming from.
Feel free to vote me because you think I'm mafia. But please try and give me something to at least defend myself from beyond ~meta~
[But while we're on the topic I will say this. I absolutely think it's disingenuous to pretend that that game is anything more a circlejerk that has nothing to do with this subforum and everything to do with pretending that smogon NOC needs to be "saved" or whatever. It's not surprising because everyone hears the same nonsense from the same people over and over again. smogon NOC is bad and the players here are bad and stupid and town always loses etc etc etc. Whatever, circus has always been a circlejerk for certain groups of people and exclusionary practices is nothing new, nor has anything been done about it before so yeah excuse me. No one has ever cared when outside game shit affected in-game stuff until really now so good fucking shit guys. Obviously I'm coming off as bitter here, I just think it's really fucking ironic that it's only now that certain users seem to care about acting nice or whatever.]
I'm arguing with Texas for things entirely related to this game, which is being taken by him and I guess other people to be a personal feud. I think it's fair to say that Texas doesn't like me nor respect how I play and I don't respect how he plays or his opinions about anything. Whatever, that's totally fine and it happens.
But none of this has anything to do with that. My response would be the same whoever posted that long wall of text.
Please feel free to point out where I'm being unreasonable in this thread. Contrary to what you may think, I actually have been trying to work with what's being given me - and my conclusion is the same. Texas wrote a bunch of words that looks nice but really is substanceless. If someone wants to go ahead and explain to me why I should be impressed by a user writing all these only to have 0 interesting things to say, then by all means, explain to me. (and not only is it substanceless, but it's really hard to go through. You need to work really hard to keep track of his thoughts, of what it all means, and of what I should conclude. Like I said, maybe if I was being paid to read this, I would find it really fascinating and would have the time to go through it all. I don't. So let's not pretend like I'm being unreasonable here).
I'm not the one acting like a fucking drama queen and crying about some personal slight. at worst you could say I'm being blunt in my posts. The majority of your words I find to be nonsense and not related to the task at hand. I'm sorry that you don't like it when I point out the things I disagree with. If you don't want to engage with me go ahead. But I would like everyone at least to try and see where I'm coming from.
Feel free to vote me because you think I'm mafia. But please try and give me something to at least defend myself from beyond ~meta~
I really think whydon is the vote here. the majority of his posts are one-liners but they are bad one=liners in the sense that they don't convey any action on his part. by that i mean, they ask the reader/the rest of the game to do work he could easily be doing for him. 104-105 hedge really hard - and he doesn't follow up on his idea of looking at the haruno bandwagoners. the rest of the day is him spending it asking questions that don't really do much. they certainly look nice as evidenced by #135 but they don't actually go anywhere. to me this seems like a classic example of a mafia attempting to fit in by generating discussion - only a sort of discussion that leaves the question asker stranded on the sideline, without him actually giving any of his own info.
yo i thought up the invitational cause i wanted to see a game with the best players we have and i think smogon mafia is good
no other reason
o.o
in game related news i'm not personally satisfied with ignoring each other and that's never what i've wanted because in the event we're both town that just actively hinders us from winning
i just don't want to be constantly jibed at for my opinion of who i think the best players are
fwiw i've never had a problem with you or how you play before this whole situation came up and i don't like to hold grudges so i'm ready to forget it and move forward and be civil to each other if you are
but if you truly don't respect me or how i play then i'll just go ahead and sub out because i do think i deserve to be treated at a baseline level of decency and respect at the very least
i'm willing to look at whydon again. i don't think i agree that a random wagon is the right way to go about sorting him, votes on is fine sure but what needs to be done is have someone 1v1 him while he's online and get him to come to clear, concrete positions to look at
also maybe define what you consider to be substance cause imo identifying who can and cannot be scum teammates is a pretty important bit of substance when looking at post-flip associations
no other reason
o.o
in game related news i'm not personally satisfied with ignoring each other and that's never what i've wanted because in the event we're both town that just actively hinders us from winning
i just don't want to be constantly jibed at for my opinion of who i think the best players are
fwiw i've never had a problem with you or how you play before this whole situation came up and i don't like to hold grudges so i'm ready to forget it and move forward and be civil to each other if you are
but if you truly don't respect me or how i play then i'll just go ahead and sub out because i do think i deserve to be treated at a baseline level of decency and respect at the very least
i'm willing to look at whydon again. i don't think i agree that a random wagon is the right way to go about sorting him, votes on is fine sure but what needs to be done is have someone 1v1 him while he's online and get him to come to clear, concrete positions to look at
also maybe define what you consider to be substance cause imo identifying who can and cannot be scum teammates is a pretty important bit of substance when looking at post-flip associations
anyone else wondering why it took three posts of "ok but for real vote whydon" before jalmont actually gave reasoning as to why we should vote me
just me? rip
the interactions between texas and jalmont are quite enjoyable to read actually. partly because drama is always fun, but also because I like watching jalmont scramble to justify for his strangely anti-town yet also kinda townish actions?
just me? rip
the interactions between texas and jalmont are quite enjoyable to read actually. partly because drama is always fun, but also because I like watching jalmont scramble to justify for his strangely anti-town yet also kinda townish actions?
this is the most generic mafia reasoning I have ever seen, and I'm just saying that because I'm the one being accused
Any reason you felt it neccessary to add on to your defense with a deflect? Just a post correcting the typo wouldve been more then enough if you ask me. Seems like somebody's losing their cool~~~
hey mate i'd like a few things from you if you don't mind
give me your thoughts on where people currently stand for you. don't need paragraphs, just a couple sentences, but give me some clear reasoning as to why each person is where
who is your number 1 scum read and why - go into detail on this one
who are your top 3 locked town slots and why - also detail here
I'm literally not jibing at you over your opinion. I have said 0 about ur opinion in this game because i don't actually give a fuck about anyone's opinions on being "good" (well unless that's the reason why ppl give free passes to certain users who have a tendency to always play the same way in every game but that's a different story...) i disagree with a lot of what you say and im trying to show why i disagree. i dont give a shit about your game or your thoughts on your game especially in the context of this thread so i dont know why you keep bringing that up because as far as im concerned i have clearly explained my issues with your game up to this point...and they have nothing to do with your opinions on things outside of this game. christ.
like cmon man getting all emotional and threatening to sub out. im so fucking over it. either sub or dont sub. i thought rage subbing was stupid enough but holding others emotionally hostage is just so lame (and im talking about in general not just this situation). you play however you want to play. it doesn't matter to me. i like it when people play in unorthodox ways that make the game interesting even if it isn't necessarily the best strategy. that doesn't mean im going to give u a free pass over everything you do. like i don't really know how else you want me to approach this. i have no idea what you want. i offered to give you a free pass but u dont want one but i dont act how u want me to youre going to sub.
everything's my fault it seems
like cmon man getting all emotional and threatening to sub out. im so fucking over it. either sub or dont sub. i thought rage subbing was stupid enough but holding others emotionally hostage is just so lame (and im talking about in general not just this situation). you play however you want to play. it doesn't matter to me. i like it when people play in unorthodox ways that make the game interesting even if it isn't necessarily the best strategy. that doesn't mean im going to give u a free pass over everything you do. like i don't really know how else you want me to approach this. i have no idea what you want. i offered to give you a free pass but u dont want one but i dont act how u want me to youre going to sub.
everything's my fault it seems
better than no reasoning i would say no?
you have yet to give any actual opinions that you might have the point towards anyone's alignment so far as i can see...let alone someone who might be mafia/ you are acting like you are present and seemingly keeping up with the game but you barely seem invested as to who gets lynched and what alignment they may be...
ap/twin//blazade//////hawkie
aubisio??earlio???
haruno
whydon
that big group of 4 is really the key to the game i think. twin i feel can be mafia because i do feel like he's not as forthcoming/aggressive in pushing people as he usually is...granted the difference is slight. i just can't really decide between those two plus blazade. blazade has been pretty weak this game but has had some interesting observations. but for the most part i just find that he's playing in a vacuum. hawkie is there if only because i dont want to let him off the hook so easily for disappearing although i tend to think that's town if anything.
the thing i dont like about aubisio was his recent post re: blazade. for someone who likes posts that he agrees with seems odd that he found a random line in texas's wall that changed his mind suddenly on blazade. i almost think earlio's effort this game warrants him being town for once, and i wanna think that his vote reasoning on me being so bad is just a symptom of this (meaning as mafia he probably would just ignore me). still feel like i cant ignore that vote for now.
i just put haruno over durza here because haruno has at least made some pretense over caring about this game in a few of the posts he's made.
whydon for previously stated reasons.
anyways at this point ill vote whoever that's not me. apparently conventional wisdom says that only mafia play the self-preservation game, but i personally am playing it as town because I know that me being voted is a lose for the village so i'd like to avoid that. please and thank you
aubisio??earlio???
haruno
whydon
that big group of 4 is really the key to the game i think. twin i feel can be mafia because i do feel like he's not as forthcoming/aggressive in pushing people as he usually is...granted the difference is slight. i just can't really decide between those two plus blazade. blazade has been pretty weak this game but has had some interesting observations. but for the most part i just find that he's playing in a vacuum. hawkie is there if only because i dont want to let him off the hook so easily for disappearing although i tend to think that's town if anything.
the thing i dont like about aubisio was his recent post re: blazade. for someone who likes posts that he agrees with seems odd that he found a random line in texas's wall that changed his mind suddenly on blazade. i almost think earlio's effort this game warrants him being town for once, and i wanna think that his vote reasoning on me being so bad is just a symptom of this (meaning as mafia he probably would just ignore me). still feel like i cant ignore that vote for now.
i just put haruno over durza here because haruno has at least made some pretense over caring about this game in a few of the posts he's made.
whydon for previously stated reasons.
anyways at this point ill vote whoever that's not me. apparently conventional wisdom says that only mafia play the self-preservation game, but i personally am playing it as town because I know that me being voted is a lose for the village so i'd like to avoid that. please and thank you
Aubisio - i believe the persuade. hasn't posted much so i really dont have a lot to go off of. standard abusio stuff from what i've seen if you ask me. lean town
Thetwinmasters - can't read. partly because wtf was that d1, and also because i feel like it's just the same deal with apricity except apricity is actually kinda trying to not be anti town now? but also the reasoning that twin cant be scum because theyre too scummy makes no sense to me and people need to stop that
Haruno - relatable
DurzaOffTopic - haruno
Jalmont - i see where he is going with the lynch on me. the problem is that the way he has been approaching it is extremely scum tactic, in my opinion. posts ideas about voting me out without giving any substance to them in order to get the idea in people's heads, pressure texas for a few hours, then finally decides to try to actively push for my lynch. and his reasoning? "whydon is clearly scum trying to make pro town posts to fit in with town." i would not be surprised if this is a safety policy lynch for scum if things went south for him. i'd also love to have some reasoning as to why he chose to make a 180 of his opinion on haruno when he was perfectly fine with voting him d1.
my only question is why he's barely pushing for a lynch now when he could have done it on d1. i posted nothing for all of d2 before these posts. what changed between d1 and d2? or is it just a convenience thing like i stated before?
also if jalmont is voting for me then is he also indirectly stating that aubisio is lying about the persuade? (im assuming persuaders are typically a scum role)
3P1K - actively scumhunting which is good. i just have one problem:
persuades are not completely viable but they create some interesting secnarios. in fact i think everyone is failing to look deep enough into the persuade. if we assume that persuaders are always mafia, then obviously there is a persuader who wanted aubisio to vote for me (although I don't think it was specially aubisio, they probably just wanted to target someone inactive) given this i am assuming jalmont does not believe aubisio's persuade claim. it's clear that persuader is probably following along with jalmont's/blazade's idea that i am scum because im trying to blend in with town, and so they're probably hoping they can sell this off to get me voted off.
im worried that people arent seeing how extremely convenient these lynches are: voting off an inactive d1 and voting off someone who can easily be pinned as scum trying to hide (which, like I said, is one of the most generic reasonings to vote for someone, like, ever. but that's just my opinion)
this question is for 3P1K, Blazade, and Earlio - since you are voting for aubisio does that mean you do not believe his persuade? and if you don't believe his persuade, then under what scenario does it make sense that both him and i would be mafia (other than us trying to clear each other or whatever)
once they answer i will give a better read on blazade and earlio. other than that, don't have much for them. only comment is that blazade's posts have been very safe and kinda just bouncing off what other people have been saying.
XnadrojX - d1 jumped on tbz wagon. d2 made one real post. literally nothing other than that. this is honestly one of my only truly "confident" reads that I can say I have - i believe he is scum and he gives no indication as to otherwise. i wanted to wait before i made a vote but i don't think he's going to say much for the rest of the day until someone pressures him; vote xnadrojx
KnightsofCydonia - i have no read on him whatsoever. partly because he is guiding discussion in the right way, but at the same time i can see it as a safe scum play. i cant see anything from his posts that would indicate either possibility
apricity - tbh i never really thought he was scum. if i did i would have voted for him d1. i just couldn't see scum playing like him d1 (or really, any day for that matter) im sure he's doing it as a survivability thing, which is why i won't be surprised if he survives and is then pushed to be voted by scum during d4 or something.
Texas - probably town. he's been guiding discussion while also feuding with jalmont, which is rather interesting. i will be honest though; almost anyone can make the reads you've been making and steer the discussion into a certain direction. i'd also like to know why you changed your mind from "town read on whydon for this post" to "im fine with a whydon vote" when i hadn't said anything new during d2. i have a few other thoughts but i want to see who dies tonight before i say anything else.
MoodyCloud, Hawkie - i can't read them. they really are the two that i have absolutely no idea about. i want to see who they vote for today though.
number 1 scum read is xnadrojx for now, although if I'm being honest he's probably my only confident read. his posts and actions in this game just match up perfectly with every single convenience that mafia needs to get through the day. i want to see if he'll vote for me, and if he does i definitely want to see the reasoning that he gives. that tbz vote was incredibly safe and he has suffered no backlash from it. he was also perfectly fine with voting off durza as well and im sure he would've gone for haruno if he had the chance. he states apricity is "pretty scummy" without saying anything else about it, has "mixed" opinions about jalmont and knights (with no elaboration), actively pushed against the blazade wagon for no reason other than that scum would be pushing for it (but then proceeds to vote for tbz and even says that there is probably a scum pushing for tbz if tbz is village??) and kinda just repeated what everyone was already saying about tbz just to give justification as to why it was a good vote.
Jalmont how can you give that reasoning for voting me but completely disregard the fact that xnadrojx is doing the exact same thing and not even mention his name once as a possibility? or are you really just that determined to refuse to agree with anything that texas says?
i don't have any locked town slots. my only possible town reads are texas and aubisio to be honest, probably throw jalmont in there too. lean town on 3P1k and apricity as well.
my scum leans are xnadrojx/blazade (just because of the interactions with xnadrojx but i want to hear more from him) and twin.
Thetwinmasters - can't read. partly because wtf was that d1, and also because i feel like it's just the same deal with apricity except apricity is actually kinda trying to not be anti town now? but also the reasoning that twin cant be scum because theyre too scummy makes no sense to me and people need to stop that
Haruno - relatable
DurzaOffTopic - haruno
Jalmont - i see where he is going with the lynch on me. the problem is that the way he has been approaching it is extremely scum tactic, in my opinion. posts ideas about voting me out without giving any substance to them in order to get the idea in people's heads, pressure texas for a few hours, then finally decides to try to actively push for my lynch. and his reasoning? "whydon is clearly scum trying to make pro town posts to fit in with town." i would not be surprised if this is a safety policy lynch for scum if things went south for him. i'd also love to have some reasoning as to why he chose to make a 180 of his opinion on haruno when he was perfectly fine with voting him d1.
my only question is why he's barely pushing for a lynch now when he could have done it on d1. i posted nothing for all of d2 before these posts. what changed between d1 and d2? or is it just a convenience thing like i stated before?
also if jalmont is voting for me then is he also indirectly stating that aubisio is lying about the persuade? (im assuming persuaders are typically a scum role)
3P1K - actively scumhunting which is good. i just have one problem:
persuades are not completely viable but they create some interesting secnarios. in fact i think everyone is failing to look deep enough into the persuade. if we assume that persuaders are always mafia, then obviously there is a persuader who wanted aubisio to vote for me (although I don't think it was specially aubisio, they probably just wanted to target someone inactive) given this i am assuming jalmont does not believe aubisio's persuade claim. it's clear that persuader is probably following along with jalmont's/blazade's idea that i am scum because im trying to blend in with town, and so they're probably hoping they can sell this off to get me voted off.
im worried that people arent seeing how extremely convenient these lynches are: voting off an inactive d1 and voting off someone who can easily be pinned as scum trying to hide (which, like I said, is one of the most generic reasonings to vote for someone, like, ever. but that's just my opinion)
this question is for 3P1K, Blazade, and Earlio - since you are voting for aubisio does that mean you do not believe his persuade? and if you don't believe his persuade, then under what scenario does it make sense that both him and i would be mafia (other than us trying to clear each other or whatever)
once they answer i will give a better read on blazade and earlio. other than that, don't have much for them. only comment is that blazade's posts have been very safe and kinda just bouncing off what other people have been saying.
XnadrojX - d1 jumped on tbz wagon. d2 made one real post. literally nothing other than that. this is honestly one of my only truly "confident" reads that I can say I have - i believe he is scum and he gives no indication as to otherwise. i wanted to wait before i made a vote but i don't think he's going to say much for the rest of the day until someone pressures him; vote xnadrojx
KnightsofCydonia - i have no read on him whatsoever. partly because he is guiding discussion in the right way, but at the same time i can see it as a safe scum play. i cant see anything from his posts that would indicate either possibility
apricity - tbh i never really thought he was scum. if i did i would have voted for him d1. i just couldn't see scum playing like him d1 (or really, any day for that matter) im sure he's doing it as a survivability thing, which is why i won't be surprised if he survives and is then pushed to be voted by scum during d4 or something.
Texas - probably town. he's been guiding discussion while also feuding with jalmont, which is rather interesting. i will be honest though; almost anyone can make the reads you've been making and steer the discussion into a certain direction. i'd also like to know why you changed your mind from "town read on whydon for this post" to "im fine with a whydon vote" when i hadn't said anything new during d2. i have a few other thoughts but i want to see who dies tonight before i say anything else.
MoodyCloud, Hawkie - i can't read them. they really are the two that i have absolutely no idea about. i want to see who they vote for today though.
number 1 scum read is xnadrojx for now, although if I'm being honest he's probably my only confident read. his posts and actions in this game just match up perfectly with every single convenience that mafia needs to get through the day. i want to see if he'll vote for me, and if he does i definitely want to see the reasoning that he gives. that tbz vote was incredibly safe and he has suffered no backlash from it. he was also perfectly fine with voting off durza as well and im sure he would've gone for haruno if he had the chance. he states apricity is "pretty scummy" without saying anything else about it, has "mixed" opinions about jalmont and knights (with no elaboration), actively pushed against the blazade wagon for no reason other than that scum would be pushing for it (but then proceeds to vote for tbz and even says that there is probably a scum pushing for tbz if tbz is village??) and kinda just repeated what everyone was already saying about tbz just to give justification as to why it was a good vote.
Jalmont how can you give that reasoning for voting me but completely disregard the fact that xnadrojx is doing the exact same thing and not even mention his name once as a possibility? or are you really just that determined to refuse to agree with anything that texas says?
i don't have any locked town slots. my only possible town reads are texas and aubisio to be honest, probably throw jalmont in there too. lean town on 3P1k and apricity as well.
my scum leans are xnadrojx/blazade (just because of the interactions with xnadrojx but i want to hear more from him) and twin.
if you want to tell me that posts like these have nothing to do with oog then you're lying through your teeth
and when every other post you make is laced with acerbic subtext like these guess what bud, you're not being "blunt" you're being a cuntJalmont said:
tell me this isn't directly a jibe lmao
like i've got no problem when you post stuff like 419 and 420, sure they're fairly aggressive but you know what you backed up your points and you didn't fucking attack me for no goddamn reason
so don't give me shit about "holding u emotionally hostage". you're being an outright asshole to me and i will not play in a game where that's the case. I have better things to do with my time, I have other ways to have fun, and I have other things to be doing that don't involve my being personally attacked and i promise you i'll be much happier without your bullshit pissing me off
i do actually agree with this
That's not really an accurate way to frame the situation. At the time I went through my reads list I put you in my town pile. Jalmont has made some reasonable arguments as to why you could be scum. Hence, I'm open to looking at you more closely. I don't have a problem with votes on you because votes=pressure=tangible way to evaluate what you said. What I also said was that I don't think a random wagon on you is the correct way to go about it, rather what I've been doing which is getting you to engage in concrete ways, with reads list and interactions.
Whydon
Why do you think you were the target of the persuade? Why Aubisio to vote you?
With respect to jordan you say: "d1 jumped on tbz wagon. d2 made one real post. literally nothing other than that. this is honestly one of my only truly "confident" reads that I can say I have - i believe he is scum and he gives no indication as to otherwise."
You went into detail about this a bit, but what about this specific set of information makes this read more "confident" than the town reads you've put on other people?
Do you see any universe where jordan makes the posts/actions he's done as town? What are the implications of that?
With respect to KnightsOfCydonia, how do you intend to sort their alignment? What do you need to do beyond passively observing to achieve that?
Why do you think you were the target of the persuade? Why Aubisio to vote you?
With respect to jordan you say: "d1 jumped on tbz wagon. d2 made one real post. literally nothing other than that. this is honestly one of my only truly "confident" reads that I can say I have - i believe he is scum and he gives no indication as to otherwise."
You went into detail about this a bit, but what about this specific set of information makes this read more "confident" than the town reads you've put on other people?
Do you see any universe where jordan makes the posts/actions he's done as town? What are the implications of that?
With respect to KnightsOfCydonia, how do you intend to sort their alignment? What do you need to do beyond passively observing to achieve that?
"this question is for 3P1K, Blazade, and Earlio - since you are voting for aubisio does that mean you do not believe his persuade? and if you don't believe his persuade, then under what scenario does it make sense that both him and i would be mafia (other than us trying to clear each other or whatever)"
Snipped the previous quote^^ because im on mobile atm and im lazy and wasnt planning on pulling out my computer till it was time for my promised content to come out (whenever i get bored of DB FighterZ).
Lets run your thought a bit further; lets imply i dont believe the persuade (tbh faking the existance of a persuade is stupid, a persuade idling and scum acting as that target on the other hand...) I can honestly understand your logic of why you+aubisio arent a viable scumteam. But in which post did i state having a scumread on you or lynch you? At what point did i even imply you+aubisio were a viable scumteam?
But to answer your question I doubted the potential of you two as a scumteam after i learned what a persuade was.
tentatively gonna unlynch at least until i go through all the isos tonight
Snipped the previous quote^^ because im on mobile atm and im lazy and wasnt planning on pulling out my computer till it was time for my promised content to come out (whenever i get bored of DB FighterZ).
Lets run your thought a bit further; lets imply i dont believe the persuade (tbh faking the existance of a persuade is stupid, a persuade idling and scum acting as that target on the other hand...) I can honestly understand your logic of why you+aubisio arent a viable scumteam. But in which post did i state having a scumread on you or lynch you? At what point did i even imply you+aubisio were a viable scumteam?
But to answer your question I doubted the potential of you two as a scumteam after i learned what a persuade was.
tentatively gonna unlynch at least until i go through all the isos tonight
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