NOC Animal Mafia ~Game Over~

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Ok I just woke up and read through the last few pages, I could definitely see Whydon being scum with the easy Xandrox lynch on the basis of “being inactive” iirc, feels like a really weak reasoning at this point in the game.

Could somebody explain the Blazade wagon?
 
Yeah guys I feel like you want activity from me this game that I simply can't give you. Jalmont's criticising me for saying shit that's too obvious when I'm just saying what's on my mind, like sorry I'm not living up to your expectations? Texas over here telling me I need to "engage heavily" when I've been updating Cyberpunk, taking care of my car, preparing for the conference next week, running errands and meeting friends. ffs we let about a third of the players in this game get away with straight up idling so forgive me for being a little annoyed.

I haven't considered the targets of a D1 persuade to be in any way alignment indicative, if it was me in that position I would literally be using random.org and Whydon falling back on that logic doesn't look good. Good thing I kind of have to vote this anyway.

Vote Whydon

Apricity making wagonomics arguments is the first legitimate thing about me worth responding to. Hawkie's been very vocal but he's mostly been saying that my arguments have been manufactured. But then you have people literally circling around not knowing what to do, sheeping and lingering their vote from RVS, not adding anything to the wagon. I didn't think I was in danger of dying, and I don't think I was "saved" by other wagons in that position.

Good to see 3P1K engaging and using his vote to pressure, the feeling of being pressured by a stronger player rather than trying to slip into a wagon unnoticed tonally reads town. If you have questions for me as you're ISOing, just ask.

I'll try to be on every few hours today, feel free to ask me any questions and I'll get to them.
 
Actually you can use the persuade logic tomorrow depending on who dies tonight and who gets voted out. If I hadn’t brought that up I’m pretty sure nobody else would have. Mafia using Aubisio to push for a policy lynch for me is incredibly possible and makes it easier for mafia to spread their votes out. If I get voted out and I flip town it will same some stuff about Aubisio.

Honestly at this point I’m heavily leaning towards a Blazade/Jordan scum team. Given their interactions early in the game, and Blazade following my mold of “idling mafia comes online, makes some generic reads, then votes for bandwagon to save themselves” kinda just confirms my suspicions about him. I’m waiting for Jordan to come online and vote for me to confirm my theory.

I held off on the Blazade vote because I’d honestly much rather go for Jordan since I’m convinced at least one if not both of them is scum, but like I said I’m also perfectly fine with a Blazade vote and reading back at their D1 it’s making a lot more sense to me.

unvote vote blazade
 
Yeah guys I feel like you want activity from me this game that I simply can't give you. Jalmont's criticising me for saying shit that's too obvious when I'm just saying what's on my mind, like sorry I'm not living up to your expectations? Texas over here telling me I need to "engage heavily" when I've been updating Cyberpunk, taking care of my car, preparing for the conference next week, running errands and meeting friends. ffs we let about a third of the players in this game get away with straight up idling so forgive me for being a little annoyed.

I haven't considered the targets of a D1 persuade to be in any way alignment indicative, if it was me in that position I would literally be using random.org and Whydon falling back on that logic doesn't look good. Good thing I kind of have to vote this anyway.

Vote Whydon

Apricity making wagonomics arguments is the first legitimate thing about me worth responding to. Hawkie's been very vocal but he's mostly been saying that my arguments have been manufactured. But then you have people literally circling around not knowing what to do, sheeping and lingering their vote from RVS, not adding anything to the wagon. I didn't think I was in danger of dying, and I don't think I was "saved" by other wagons in that position.

Good to see 3P1K engaging and using his vote to pressure, the feeling of being pressured by a stronger player rather than trying to slip into a wagon unnoticed tonally reads town. If you have questions for me as you're ISOing, just ask.

I'll try to be on every few hours today, feel free to ask me any questions and I'll get to them.
Claim?
 
Gonna go ahead pull out my computer and get to work on those isos and have the thread open in another tab refreshing every few minutes. So if you guys need me and time in the next 3 and a half hours or so i'll be here ready to respond. If i dont get through everything i wanna do before then, then i'l be back again around 10-10:30 PM EST after that to finish up. Should be back around that time regardless tho.
 
Oh I figured we still had a bit of time and my death isn't quite finalized yet but very well.

I'm a Silver Hedgehog and I'm a 2 shot redirect. I idled last night.
Im faster than you. That claim was TOO SLOW :^) Im a blue hedgehog (you guys dont know how long i was waiting to make a sonic joke im sorry, im going back to working on the isos now)
 
seems like durza lives yet another day and we're lynching actives, feels bad man

vote whydon I'd actually be fine with either xnadrojx or them but their last post pinged me, wish I could elaborate on what's been said these last few pages but alas, confusion will be my epitaph
 
MoodyCloud can you explain what part of my last post pinged you?

Earlio did you misinterpret my post or are you intentionally trying to make it look like my justification for a jordan lynch was because he is inactive, which obviously wasn't the case if you read what I said?
 
also Earlio why are you intentionally avoiding the blazade topic?
Bcuz I still have no idea why we're lynching him on any basis outside of activity, and when did I ever want to lynch Jalmont cuz of activity? I was for his lynch due to his strange aggression and other reasons (read back)
 
Bcuz I still have no idea why we're lynching him on any basis outside of activity, and when did I ever want to lynch Jalmont cuz of activity? I was for his lynch due to his strange aggression and other reasons (read back)

texas actually gave very good reasoning as to why blazade is a good vote other than "he's inactive." kinda strange how you avoid a blazade lynch for lack of substance but then quickly jump onto the bandwagon for me with a false assumption about my vote towards jordan as reasoning.
 
OK HERE WE GO, i got my work cut out for me. Also as per the usual with how i do my readslists, i dont really create them in a particular order, i kinda just bounce around from person to person (meaning this post wasnt neccesarily created starting from the top and going to the bottom if that makes sense, for example i started with the dead people, then durza, then haruno because those were the quickest to do) so if anything doesnt flow properly due to this ping me and i'll try to explain my thought process more clearly.

NOTE: For my own sanity im gonna be using "~~" on either side of a quote/snipped quote and bolding the quote because i dont wanna spend a year and a half on fancy formatting that adds no actual content. If you really need me to find a post that you cant find then feel free to ping me and i'll locate the post # for you. But realistically it shouldnt be hard to find.

Twin: Originally i TR'd this for the "clear" of the NK as i pointed out early d2. But as you guys pointed out thats kinda wifomy so ehhhh. Still definately notable though imo and worth consdering in this reads.
Directly after voting haruno and supporting the policy by doing so. But haruno is haruno thus im kinda willing let it slide--> ~~how about you respond to some posts made in the game and make some reads on people who have actually posted instead of voting inactives before 24 hours in the game.~~
Bullshit fabricated reasoning for hopping aboard the TBZ wagon --->~~That above post is code for let me talk to my scumbuddies~~
After TBZ lynched blazade -->~~Can we please lynch thunder ballz this is him just trying to save himself by bandwagoning on the lead lynch~~ Honestly this kinda impiclates Blazade+Twin as a viable scumteam... hmm. Havent iso'd out Blazade as of this point in the post so i'll look more into that in Blazade's iso.
Granted he did at the very least feign ignorance in regards to the fact he chainsawed there so he does have that going for him.
A few posts im too lazy to quote right now which resulted in a pretty weak push onto the earlio slot... and yea thats about it. This slot is a lot more viable as scum than i gave it credit for, the only thing really stopping me from SRing this slot would be the reason i TR'd it to begin with, being the asek NK after the twin turbo suggestion. TR--->Scumlean

Haruno: I said at the end of my only other Smogon NOC (this was the nommy game) that i dont think i would ever comprehend the "Haruno Style", and this still holds true, especially considering the slot has put almost no effort forth aside of a jalmont vote based on "instinct". Maybe that means something to you guys but i cant read into that. Null and pick it up or request sub kthx.

Durza: Nothing notable from this slot, doesnt seem to care about the game. Kinda just laughed off his bandwagon in a way, almost mocking it. All of this is purely NAI to create the most unreadable of unreadables. Side note: this guy has been posting actively in other threads when i went to his profile so its not like he hasnt had ample opportunity to post things or read. Sub out plox

3P1K: The fastest hedgehog around with a taste for chili dawgs.

Xnad: Ok this slot has been a hot topic as of late. Leggo.
Lynches mithril then-->~~Why would you vote me of all the people who have not shown up, when there's 3 other people who isn't getting voted for not talking and a Haruno there that people are policying?~~
Seems like an overreaction to an RVS vote imo. But thats not too bad, at least not bad enough to justify all of the pressure this slot is under atm.
-Was quick to throw out a TR in hawkie's general direction on the basis of a meta read. Which if im being honest, im ok with, its d1 (at the stage of the game im refering to) and they are both PS players so i do know xnad has played a considerable number of games with hawkie which means having metas to read him off of isnt really unfeasable.
~~all right i see the whole of the past 2 pages has been Texas and Jalmont slinging shit at each other, but I don't think voting someone purely because their playstyle annoys you is better than voting a scumread.
I can't really say anything to defend myself from Texas, but while self-preservation is inherently more of a scum trait, some people as town (which I like to say includes me for the purpose of this defense) would place self-preservation as a beneficial trait to have when town as it lowers the PoE. The main argument on me is that I guess so yeah.
Back to real things, what are we going to do about Haruno and Durza?
I feel like I want to townread Jalmont for being so against the tide but then again it could be me being pocketed so.... I'd put him as town for now.
Vote MoodyCloud
Don't like that naked sheeping of Texas~
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Then we got this post here. Honestly resorting to self preservation isnt neccessarily a scumtell in and of itself, and that much i agree on. Its wierd though with this post; if he is going to be self preserving why be so dismissive of the read itself; with wording like "Back to real things" and "I guess so". Maybe im looking to deep into it on that front, but it feels like a town playing around with self preservation, while at threat of being lynched would a little more avid in their defense and xnad wasnt. Procedes to hedge a TR on jalmont and put forth a weakly based vote onto moody. Hard Scumlean

Asek: Ded, town flip. Will go back and double check these interactions later on before DL hopefully to make sure there was nothing i missed.

Hawkie: Tbh not enough here for me to get a solid lock on hawkie. I like the aggressiveness towards his primary SR, and what he did do did feel similar to how he played d1 in nommy but just with less activity (he was town in that game). But at this same time its not hard to fake a tunnel. Especially with as little content that come from this slot. ILY hawkie come back to us!!!! Null/Slight Townlean

Apricity: Bounced around a lot early d1 with his lynch while putting forth next to no actual content. Then came the claim encryption which i would argue to be NAI at best considering the fact scum can just as easily set up a fakeclaim like that and it really doesnt prove much. The fact that it came at a time when apricity was being questioned actually makes me scumlean that whole situation. His general contribution has actually been improving throughout the game, especially into later d2 which i appreciate.
~~"jalmont is literally scum and needling you until you leave the game if you leave the terrorists win"~~ i still think this is stupid but at the same time looking back on it now this is could in part laced with annoyance that the game's progression was, at the time i would argue being hindered by the talk jalmont and texas. So im willing to let that slide.
I didnt really think too much of it at the time but after being annoyed by the general response to his cryptic play/encryption this was part of his post:
~~"3. it fucking triggers me that aubisio liked your post, i was trying to push the right wagon on scum last NOC and aubisio was just on the sidelines rubbing his palms whimpering "oh i don't like voting in lylo it's too much pressure" after agreeing with the earlio wagon, god that was so frustrating to play with and here we are again"~~
and then later on ~~My guy are you fucking serious deadline is in like two hours please vote~~
And then most recently... ~~3P1K you are literally giving me vibes to this game i just played on this site, laser tag noc, where i didn't solve the game on day 2 but certainly was pushing the right wagon and had at least a semblance of a shot at solving the game and was closer than any of the other townies. i told people we needed to vote earlio. aubisio and xna (both townies) agreed with the case and they were just so scared to vote because it was lylo and they were scared of mislynching so they didn't vote at all, and then we lost.~~
Anywho what these three snips all have in common is the fact apricity clearly wants to avoid a repeat of the situation in the last NOC. Despite the fact that i would argue they had a pretty bad d1, this absolute drive to gamesolve and avoid a repeat scenario; and perhaps even more importantly get OTHERS to come out and lynch scum i dont feel is being faked. I fully realize this is ATE im reading into but i cant shake how real it feels, at some point i'll probably go iso out apricity's play in the laser tag NOC just to help me secure this read but for now... Townlean

TBallz: Ded, town flip. Interactions from this slot probably wont reveal too much about alignments.
 
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