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NOC The Mafia Invitational (Game Thread) [D2 Deadline: Friday, March 2nd, 6 PM EST]

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well jeez

wish there were people in thread besides just me and the people wrapped up in this whole shebang

don't have anyone unbiased to bounce thoughts off of smh
 
if ms flips scum ill believe josh is town and proph is 100% lockscum, rn its hard to tell if josh is scum lying about this to pit me/proph falsely against each other or if its proph scum
 
The integrity of the game has been irrevocably compromised and cannot continue in its current state. Therefore the game must be annulled.

So I'm more than a little bit fucking pissed here. All I wanted was to provide a game for you guys that would be fun, with an interesting setup that would provide a lot of opportunity for interaction and deception. Well that's all gone to shit because one asshole decided to go digging and find a record of what was supposed to be a closed setup.

To make this explicit: Josh is not an informed townie by game mechanics, Josh is informed (despite my best efforts to push him away from this) of the setup as a result of him spending several hours digging through existing closed setups until he found one that matched the framework of this game and his interpretation of host meta.

For your viewing pleasure here's what the setup was with some commentary on the mechanics of it:

SETUP:
10-3 town-scum
Town:
Vigilante
Gunsmith
2-shot Tracker
Ascetic Townie
VT x6

vs.

Mafia:
Loud Fruit Vendor
Goon x2

-Gunsmith gets results as "has a gun" (vigilante, all mafia), "does not have a gun", or "no result" (ascetic).
-Tracker gets results as "playername visited (players that person targeted)", "playername did not visit", or "no result" (ascetic).
-The target of the loud fruit vendor is informed "Playername visited you last night" and is separately told "You received a piece of fruit last night".
-Mafia may both kill and action.
-Loud, because it is not currently whitelisted, would be my graylist role.
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mastina said:
If the game is in any way townsided the solution would not for me be adding in scum power, even something weak like a 1x doctor (which I think swings the setup well into scumsided). I do in fact consider the loud fruit vendor to be fairly self-clearing for what it's worth: short of D1 lynch, N1 vig (or I suppose the fruit vendor sending to the player the vig shoots), or N1 gunsmith (all of which are admittedly possible), the role is going to be put in a very strong position from D2 onward.

If the role is outted at any point, I don't see the town realistically vigging, gunsmithing, or lynching it, which gives the mafia plenty of strength so long as they can keep the role from being eliminated prior to the point where it has been done. But there is in fact that very realistic chance of the role being eliminated prior to the point where it can be used effectively.

Basically, I realize both sides have some fairly strong roles. (Gunsmith/Vig both are strong, the loud fruit vendor is situationally strong--which is the best type of role to give a scumteam.) As a result, their early death does induce a certain level of swing. I feel like the level of swing is within acceptable margins though. The town has no protectives; their investigation roles are wide open to attack. If the town roles survive via not being outed and manage to produce results...they should be rewarded for that. If the scum fail to kill the town's PRs and let them generate results...they should be punished for that.

If the town fails to protect their PRs by outing them before results can be given...they should be punished for that. If the scum succeed in killing the town's PRs and deny them results...they should be rewarded for that. If the town manage to lynch the scum's PR, they should be rewarded. If the scum fail to utilize their PR to its potential, they should be punished for that. I won't say the town letting the scum's PR be used to its full potential is punishable, but I will say that if scum do utilize their PR to its full potential, they should be rewarded for that.

The setup, as it currently is, rewards good play from a side and punishes bad play from a side. At the same time, there is a built-in level of countermeasures against an early setback dooming a side--namely: if the scum lose their PR, they can still systematically kill off the town PRs (thanks to the town lacking protectives). If the town loses one of their PRs, they still have two others which are of respectable strength. Optimal play simply ensures that these situations are less likely for a side. While luck of the draw does factor in, this luck is mostly in who draws what roles.
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My hope was that this dynamic component to the setup would result in some spicy plays throughout the course of the game

The scum team is pissed off too and rightly so. Their only Power Role, one that has the capacity to be self-clearing to an extent has been outed through no fault of their own and through a situation not influenced by the game, but instead by a player who chose to break the game.


Therefore I am offering the following:

The game will be restarted from day 0 with all lynches and votes wiped clean
We will reroll the game with a completely new setup and the original playerlist
Josh will be removed from the game (and I'm seriously considering blacklisting you from any future games I post)


Given the horseshit that this situation has entailed from I am understanding if people do not wish to continue with either this game or with this host. I do offer my sincere apologies as this was the farthest thing from what I wanted to see happen and if the rest of you are willing to stick with this playergroup that, to this point, had for my money been highly entertaining I would be more than happy to move forward with a new setup.


P.S. Dear Josh. I don't give a flying fuck if you want to claim that Yeti and MS were independently scummy. This was a closed setup. You chose to spend hours digging for a setup that matched, fundamentally breaking the concept of a closed game and irrevocably changing your perception on how you read people. You directly broke the mafia team's core support mechanic through tactics directly Outside Of the Game. That is Fucking. Unacceptable.
 
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