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NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER

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Aura Guardian said:
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Asek - don't think I've seen much of him from the people I've previously viewed. I think I've found my new next ISO. But what I remember is a couple flurries of posts that only have a couple that have content in them. lean scum
Da Letter El - A quick check shows a lower fluff to content ratio than most, and what I've seen since I joined has mostly looked good. Lean Town
Former Hopes - see recent ISO, but recent posts mean he's down to lean scum
KnightsofCydonia - Lots of stuff, little that I remember. That's a warning bell to me. Scum
LightWolf - Inactive for a while, then becomes moreso just as day 2 is ending. Seems trying to contribute, though. And in large + memorable ways, too. Lean Town
MoodyCloud - what was that hammer? Just catching up is also a great excuse for scum to do that. Not as much contribution as many, either Scummy
Hitmonleet - Town
Yeti - obvious contributions, active. Town

How I see the game:
Feels like we're imploding after a couple days and starting to panic at 1 away from lylo.

Anywya, Vote KnightsofCydonia for now
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FH didnt quote the part where AG leans scum on Asek so quoting for reference
 
LightWolf said:
What was unexpected if you literally even in the present claim you defended Proph? You never really claimed Hawkie was scum either.

This is a pointless to pressure a sub for being a sub for seconds. This is the least productive thing to start a day with.

Then again based on this it is exactly what town would do.

Yeah okay FH is looking better than day 1's coasting already. Disagree that the Asek Hitmon relation being scumbuddies, asek had plenty option beyond offering token support to the hitmon lynch, such as supporting the Hitmon vote on me if they were buddies. Any push towards a Hitmon lynch however insignificant could easily have steered the lynch to hitmon if proph picked up his pants he dropped late into the day.

I find the fact that of the two ISOs he did, one being a waste of space the other on MS he instantly stumbles into someone to vote. Spooky coincidence indeed. I feel like it's far more natural to get a feel for the game first, instead of instantly voting your first ISO when you don't understand the context of it all. Feels less like looking at what people did and more looking for someone to vote.

Is this REALLY the thing you take away from MS voting you? Haha omgus haha? There is proph brushing off Hawkie's vote and then there is ignoring the guy you are voting and going to do something else entirely, as great as it is to catch up.

I mean thank you, but god I can already see how he is gonna die... The reasoning literally boils down to Empoof ditched us therefore scum.

That is the relevant bit of information you wish to chime in with? This feels like a fun fact to post so people don't start asking why you ain't taking part in a discussion centered around your current vote.

I still don't get how my prod dodging is such a serious offense that is alignment indicative when all that happened is I get on smogon, I see alerts, I see the alerts are for the game, I go to the thread and see it's 23 pages long, I make a post after checking when the game actually started, which was like a day and a half prior to me noticing it did start, and start my catchup. The only way my idling would be scummy is if you are arguing that I went invisible for those 1.5 days or inentionally avoided the thread to not post and never be seen viewing it(when if anyone had checked my last time online they'd have seen I haven't been on smogon since the game officially started) to then fake a post I noticed the thread to fake catching up, only to post my announcement I finished catch up and will post day 2, only 1 hour after day 2 got hammered early. Yet people are no accusing me of wearing my Matrix pants, yet I'm also a scum who is afraid of posting. Point is, you guys post in the middle of the night for me, I wake up to the thread having grown like 10 pages usually, and I had two workdays where I went sleeping the second I got home because I had Raid nights at mightnight the first day and was dead tired the second day, then I got lazy because I had given up on catching up day 1, and then day 2 got killed after I wrote a crap of catchup notes on my damn phone during work, get home inspired to make a stupid movie poster and then go to sleep because I was tired again and planed to wake up 3 hours before work to get in the thread, combine my notes in a post and post it while also making a realistic looking copyright claim to FH which I had to scrap when I ended up posting the thing at the start of day 3. Point of point is, no one can list a reasonable reason to suspect me on my idling, beyond the fact I feel like a piece of crap for it, then maybe instead of lynching me pressure me or try and ask me stuff you want to hear my opinion on I haven't stated and form your opinion based on that, because right now people are taking the very easy way out by lumping me into their poes(spit on that) and hey they have 3 or 4 people with me, scum MUST be there the rest are def not being given a pass by me and could NEVER be scum! Village has been collectively wrong for 2 lynches, and plenty people who did not agree with the mislynches suspected the major pushers of some of them, who then ended up flipping town too. Point is this is the time to reevaluate instead of deciding on a box to pull random names from. Anyone who wants to push me I expect to disect the little I said, and same for pushing anyone else, so people can't bullshit their

In contrast to last game where he was scum and claimed to be unable to show for deadline but then still did so. You were scum with him yet show little need to base assumptions on his previous game or the insight into his scum thinking he may have shared with you during game 1. The only real point you made is echo someone when they claimed MS likes to reasonless tunnel by mentioning Josh(which wasn't a reasonless tunnel, he had brought up some meta analysis to support his claim, which just wasn't applicable for the vast majority).


Oh god this is how it all ended? Day 2 was completely wasted on an event that was completely NAI, because no scum would attempt this for real but voting while catching up is either... This is such a sad fucking waste.

This vote is much more suspicious, what with no reason given l-1 with no indication DLE was unaware of that fact. L-1 is pointless here and only invites accidental hammers, especially when no points are raised to make an additional argument for the suspicion of the target of the vote.



Well day 2 was shite. FH looks better after some actual effort I could actually perceive rather than the coasting of day 1.
I don't quite like Yeti's lack of using the last game to shed insight into MS, and rather just memey bloby back and forths which made sure MS was never gonna get serious about it. With Walrein day 1 she did multiple times refer to last game to contextualize the lynch, but here it was lacking in that department, though I can't really see how that makes sense, beyond not wanting to be seen pushing too hard for MS since he was actually getting strong support, unlike Walrein.
Ag's initial vote then vanishing to do more ISOs while the entire thread revolved around who he voted, and only chiming in with unrelated stuff never acknowledging MS vote on him in any serious capacity doesn't sit quite right with me. While I know the feel of dropping live interaction to catch up, I disagree with dropping a vote on your first real ISO, and not following up on it at all even when the whole thread is talking about MS. Also unrelated note your ISOs are hard to read, seperate points by something(I seperate them with links). Sorta forgive him never getting around to addressing MS again because the day ended like that, but while it was going I still find his actions more scummy than town.
Knights had a burst early, then dropped into a pointless argument with MS which was really just fluff even in the context of arguing with the main lynch target. This feels more inline with expectations of town KoC after last game, but the day was way too short to tell, too small of a sample size.
Everyone else had no meaningful contributions beyond popping in to vote. Asek and Hitmon both popped in to specifically say not to vote MS, again both ending the day with no thinking the main lynch is scum. One of them is scum trying really hard to be on the correct side of the lynch, the other is psychic with a bad records. They never scum together, their interactions as previously described don't fit, and distancing could have been far more subtly without risking either getting lynched by distracting from the main lynch. For obvious reasons my current preference is voting between them.

Asek and Hitmon, please be deers(not a typo) and address my points against you. Doubly goes for Hitmon whose reaction to my posts ended with overreaction and accusation while misrepresenting what I was doing. If I am scum then what I am saying is a lie because you are town who I am twisting the actions of, therefore all the actions I have a problem with should be explainable from a village perspective, or mistakes made by a villager that should be admitted as such, if that can't be done that the only truth that remains is that they are the actions of a scum.
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I would agree with the bolded
 
Okay all in all... I solidify KOC as town and honestly, I don't think I'm ever going to vote him in this game. Which leaves: Moody, LW and Epik
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You have to convince us that you are also extempt from that list. Friendly reminder to at this point people need to look for reasons why they themselves also can't be scum, if we going by narrowing down to 2.
MoodyCloud said:
It matters because Lw explains why Asek and Leet are never scum togetherbefore the former flips then proceeds to push Leet after Asek's flip
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Yo how about you stop to misrepresenting that. Unless you can reason that if I wanted Hitmon to be a safe kill if suspected as Mason that night I had to make it seem like I wouldn't move on him after Asek's flip, otherwise he would be kept around as a wifom. Alas he was, but unless you can tell me my logic is flawed, you have no argument. You also have not provided how as scum it benefits me to claim Hitmon would be clear after asek flips then still pushing him next day, instead of pushing that they are scum buddies from the get go and you know trying to get him mislynched without looking like a liar. I literally only had a reason to mislead people at the end of day 3 if I was town. Again if you think that I as scum do that, give me a scenario where my actions make sense.
 
MoodyCloud said:
Yes I am clearly misrepresenting you by quoting your blatant contradictions and your wifom bs of a defense is highly convincing
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Okay, again tell me WHY THE FUCK DO I DO WHAT I DID AS SCUM. This is not WIFOM, if you can't give me a reason why I'd explicitly contradict myself when I did not have to, specifically making the comment you bolded in response to someone pushing a Leet x Asek possible scum team, when instead the logical choice as scum is to agree as that makes Asek look better if Hitmon flips first and Hitmon worse if Asek does. Your argument is literally that I went against my scum wincondition there with no gain to my town cred and only leading to me looking suspicious.
 
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So you can't explain how it's scummy? Then why is it suspicious if you can't tie it to a scum mindset? All your argument is that I lied, that does not make me scum as I myself admitted this lie when I started my big day 4 push on Hitmon. You ain't being revolutionary by pointing it out.

Or to put it another way, sure I broke my mother's favourite vase, but you are ignoring that I took the broken pieces to my mother and told he I accidentally broke it. Yet here you are claiming I broke it out of malicious intent on purpose, when there is no benefit for me in doing so.
 
Former Hope said:
what.

Anyways, yeah I can see why people have dropped KOC or suspecting him more. This fluff hasn't really change my read too much, other than wanting to threaten him quite literally


KnightsofCydonia Please start posting why you are doing things and not only just what you are doing or I will have no problem lynching you

other than that, dislike it but I haven't seen anything directly that makes me want to straight up drop my d1 read.
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I think you have him as lock town now ? where do you stand on about this
 
LightWolf said:
So you can't explain how it's scummy? Then why is it suspicious if you can't tie it to a scum mindset? All your argument is that I lied, that does not make me scum as I myself admitted this lie when I started my big day 4 push on Hitmon. You ain't being revolutionary by pointing it out.

Or to put it another way, sure I broke my mother's favourite vase, but you are ignoring that I took the broken pieces to my mother and told he I accidentally broke it. Yet here you are claiming I broke it out of malicious intent on purpose, when there is no benefit for me in doing so.
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Your defense sounds like "why would I have slipped and contradicted myself by going for a low hanging fruit mislynch instead of playing a perfect game if I'm scum because slipping is too scummy to come from scum am I right" with a pinch of "if you can't prove that I have an interest in scum slipping as scum then you have no argument"
 
btw I do not buy your whole narrative about how you didn't want to appear to town read Leet so he would get killed (over Texas/Yeti ? lol) but then decided that if he was still alive and denied being mason then he wasn't one and was mafia after all
 
MoodyCloud said:
btw I do not buy your whole narrative about how you didn't want to appear to town read Leet so he would get killed (over Texas/Yeti ? lol) but then decided that if he was still alive and denied being mason then he wasn't one and was mafia after all
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I DID want to appear to read him positively so scum has no reason to believe I would be still willing to mislynch him. Not didn't.

Also no, how is that slip. Your argument is inane. A slip is a mistake, a fuck up, how in gods name is it a fuck up that I made the claim Hitmon is looking good if Asek flips scum, and then make a big post detailing how that was a setup to increase the chances of mafia killing him to clear up that slot if he is town read as mason by the majority. Where is the slip in that? I literally pushed to EXPLAIN what you claim is the slip before making it. DEFINE WHAT AND HOW I SLIPPED. Define how both contradictory parts of the perceived flip come from if I am scum. If you can't do both you don't have an actual argument except "LW lied, admitted to lying in the post he contradicted the lie, therefore he is scum"
MoodyCloud said:
Since when is lightwolf town core wake up every dead slot distrusted him
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Oh so using a WIFOM is only bad if I do it, but using one to reason I'm scum is A OKAY. Golf Clap.
MoodyCloud said:
lynch lightwolf give me your reads and the lynch order you think will solve the game
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How about you practice what you preach first? I will be putting out an ISO of Asek and AG as I said. Probably tomorrow because I have slept 2-3 hours the last two days and it's past midnight already.
 
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