Stall teams in my battles are now having a tie with rivaling teams lately. Taunters are finally appearing. Bulky pokemon are becoming more used as well. So in your intelligent opinion what is probably the best team to use against the majority of these forgotten foes that are now rising to the challenge?
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What is the most effective team?
- Thread starter BlitzTheReaper
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There is really no "most effective team." Certain teams counter other teams.
Their are certainly your good and bad teams, and it all depends on whether it is pioleted correctly or not.
Their are certainly your good and bad teams, and it all depends on whether it is pioleted correctly or not.
Actually, it's impossible to have a most effective team, not because some other team could counter it, but what the hell are you goin to do when you face the exact same team? I'd say whoever keeps getting those 50/50 is pretty effective.
I have 2 comments to make.
First, there is no most effective team. The player/luck/matchup determines the winner.
Second, you have gotten flamed every other time you started new threads with dumb simple questions. Why would this time be any different. Try the simple Q&A thread.
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First, there is no most effective team. The player/luck/matchup determines the winner.
Second, you have gotten flamed every other time you started new threads with dumb simple questions. Why would this time be any different. Try the simple Q&A thread.
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The "what are you going to do when you face the same team" comment is irrelevant. If Obi faced his exact stall team, they could both stall each other to death. If a team with CB Golems faced an identical team, they could throw around super-effective Earthquakes. Plus unless it's a really good and well-known team (like the aforementioned stall team), you're not going to face it.
The Team that Beats You!
/Ask A Ninja
Seriously though, it varies.
/Ask A Ninja
Seriously though, it varies.
This was supposed to be the poll, but I forgot it. So please lock this. I accidentally didn't put it in.
There is no "best team" but I prefer sandstorm teams.
Thank you for proving my point that it's a 50/50 between which Golem will win.
I'd say I'm surprised, but it's Blitz who made this travesty again.
Yeah, there are certain teams that do better against certain trends. Is this perhaps what you mean? Like a stallbreaking team VS a stall team compared to that same team taking it in the face from a TR team?
You vague, I thought you meant 50/50 as in how often they win, and you were implying that teams can't do a thing when facing each other.
I'll tell you the best team: One that can consistently maintain an offensive barrage while still being able to switch without too much of a loss.
What? Want to argue that? All I'm saying is that you won't lose if you keep hitting them harder than they hit you :P
That's the best team. One that lets you do that, consistently.
What? Want to argue that? All I'm saying is that you won't lose if you keep hitting them harder than they hit you :P
That's the best team. One that lets you do that, consistently.
Between two equal players, the game is often over before it started. In other words, there is always a counter team for every play style.
But it can be argued that saying "there is no best team because every team is countered by another" is irrelevant due to the definition of "best."
I say that "best" should be a team that on average wins consistently. It doesn't matter if it happens to lose occasionally, even to a specific countered team.
The best shouldn't be defined as whatever wins everytime; Tiger Woods is the best golfer, yet he wins less than 10% of whatever competition he joins. He is just the most consistent winner.
I say that "best" should be a team that on average wins consistently. It doesn't matter if it happens to lose occasionally, even to a specific countered team.
The best shouldn't be defined as whatever wins everytime; Tiger Woods is the best golfer, yet he wins less than 10% of whatever competition he joins. He is just the most consistent winner.
This is very true, but good luck molding teams into very even categories and picking out which one has the highest win percentage :naughty:
Just had to say this:
First of all the definition of a perfect/most effective/best team is non-existent there is no such thing as a "perfect" since almost all teams have suffered their share of losses add that to the fact that the team of pokes you use does not solely decide the winner of a particular match. Since luck and personal skill is also important. Look at the massive number of n00bs who copy Obi's stall team thinking it will make them great well what happens? I'll tell you nothing they still lose and are still as n00by as before, this has nothing to do with the team obviously since it's a very good well-designed team it's about the skill and familiarity of the player to the team. So the best team does not exist since any team can be good as long as you spend time thinking about it and making the necessary changes as you go on.
First of all the definition of a perfect/most effective/best team is non-existent there is no such thing as a "perfect" since almost all teams have suffered their share of losses add that to the fact that the team of pokes you use does not solely decide the winner of a particular match. Since luck and personal skill is also important. Look at the massive number of n00bs who copy Obi's stall team thinking it will make them great well what happens? I'll tell you nothing they still lose and are still as n00by as before, this has nothing to do with the team obviously since it's a very good well-designed team it's about the skill and familiarity of the player to the team. So the best team does not exist since any team can be good as long as you spend time thinking about it and making the necessary changes as you go on.
If top players would begin playing ladder again, and if the other top players (basically the ideal situation where all the top players play consistently with their best teams), we could naturally have a situation like that.
In that ideal case, it wouldn't be the best definable team, necessarily, but more the best general strategies.
In that ideal case, it wouldn't be the best definable team, necessarily, but more the best general strategies.
My most effective teams have been the ones where I take whored out OU standards and give them lesser used or never used movesets and EV spreads. An example would be the Garchomp I use. I use an Adamant, bulky, Choice Band Outrage Garchomp and it wrecks things. People try to switch in physical walls like Swampert, Slowbro, and Weezing only to have them 2HKO'd by Outrage. I also put in Sp Def EVs so it can live through nonSTAB Ice Beam from some Pokemon and HP Ice. A guy accused me of cheating yesterday because my Garchomp lived through an HP Ice from his Infernape and I KO'd back with Outrage.
It's unorthodox spreads like this that I use to win and I win more than I lose so until using underused spreads gets me more losses I will continue to battle with weird teams.
Edit: Oh, you asked what the most effective team is? I thought you were asking us what our most effective team is. Well, I agree with others. There is nothing that is most effective. Depends on the matchup and player.
It's unorthodox spreads like this that I use to win and I win more than I lose so until using underused spreads gets me more losses I will continue to battle with weird teams.
Edit: Oh, you asked what the most effective team is? I thought you were asking us what our most effective team is. Well, I agree with others. There is nothing that is most effective. Depends on the matchup and player.
Man have the times changed.
I had a huge amount of sucess with scarf weavile a few months ago, back when scarf garchomps, scarf alakazams, and choice band weaviles were running around. Back then, fast and light attackers like Ambipom ruled the metagame.
Today, the metagame shifted towards stall, and now I'm getting more sucess with pokemon who tend to stat-up.
I had a huge amount of sucess with scarf weavile a few months ago, back when scarf garchomps, scarf alakazams, and choice band weaviles were running around. Back then, fast and light attackers like Ambipom ruled the metagame.
Today, the metagame shifted towards stall, and now I'm getting more sucess with pokemon who tend to stat-up.
I only ever seem to win 50-60% with a mostly Bl team that has a STRATEGY. I have tried pushing that number forward but I can't seem to be able to do it with mostly BL pokes. Sometimes a Special Sweeper Ninetales just doesn't work(especially in a metagame with Scarfchomp and others). Thats where skill comes in. I'm not the greatest battler but I have been able to make my teams work for me after I've used them for awhile therefore increasing my prediction skills and an understanding of what my pokes can take.