I get you're trying to make conversation but this isn't the question to ask.
It makes you look like you're trying to garner approval from him to get other people to subconsciously think of you as town.
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I get you're trying to make conversation but this isn't the question to ask.
It makes you look like you're trying to garner approval from him to get other people to subconsciously think of you as town.
Wanted to help you correct at typo here.
Please don't quote my posts if you don't have a legitimate criticism or something useful to say. My time is limited and I have a lot better things to do with it when it comes to this game then making a post like this.
Okay.
But also, it's sort of funny. I am serious when I replace my name with yours because I do honestly feel quite a bit the same way about you. Weirdly enough, I have you as town because your game play to my memory has been similarly nonsensical in past town games (which I guess isn't really a great indicator now that I think about it).
But let's break this down because I want to get in your head. What part of my reads list sucked? What would you expect to see if I was town? If I was mafia?
I've also been making reads as I see them and posting about them quite a bit, you can choose to ignore them, but that doesn't make them go away.
"he's tried to insidiously set himself up as someone we should trust without giving us any reason to do so " but also I want you to explain this. Because I don't feel like I have at all. Whenever I've posted a suggestion that I don't see as obvious, I've attached reasoning to it. I'm actually trying to express myself and my thought process here.
And then what? You think me joking around wasn't me joking around? Like, dude. This is some weak heck reasoning for a scum read.
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You started the game making a lot of joking posts which is fine but then you started talking about how you/texas/ap were likely to be a nightkill (the implication is obvious) and cruising on by without engaging with the game. You have no scum reads except ap which is all OMGUS basically and Asek on "tone." Where's your engagement with the rest of the game? Other than Texas (which reads like you're appealing to him as town on the basis of some kind of common grounds) it's not there. That's mafia behavior. Sorry.
1. you said nothing about anyone in your reads list. you literally had nothing to say about anyone except for apricity.
2. you have 2 mafia reads this game (and really only 1 town read but I don't count that) and one is OMGUS based and the other is quite vague and essentially piggy backing off others.
3. you set yourself up at the beginning of the game. the example i gave, the questions asking people to "explain more." those are behaviors i think indicate someone trying to get on people's good sides and giving the sense that they are invested town members.
I'm tired. good night friends.
I said it was likely going to be texas/asek/myself. But I'm not sure what implication you think is obvious here. The only implication I had was that the three of us are likely NK targets, given everything else is equal. In otherwords, I didn't want to NL if I was going to have a 1 day game again because that would just be sad.
I also still strongly disagree about not engaging with the game. I am engaging where I see potential and where I have questions. I am not engaging absolutely everywhere because
1. I just don't have that time
2. Frankly, I've been focusing on other things and don't multifocus well on a game when I'm not actively focusing on it.
3. Defining engagement as engaging with a majority of the game is completely arbitrary. And I much rather just stick to engaging with things that interest me.
Yeah, I actually don't have any strong scum pings so far this game. There have been small things here and there, but very little I feel good about pushing. So what? That's entirely NAI or even rather town since it tells you I'm genuinely looking at people and making determinations instead of creating a list, knowing people's alignments already.
I guess the AP SR could be misinterpreted as OMGUS, but it's really a vote on how contrived the logic from him has been. My vote would be there still even if he had been pushing someone else. The fact he was pushing me really has nothing to do with it.
Where's your engagement? Where's everyone elses? Why do you expect me to randomly pop in and respond to everyone and everything, even things I don't really particularly care about focusing on.
Appealing to texas? Nah, not really. Rather I just have a strong town read on him.
Really, it feels like you are just describing behavior in general and slapping a scum label on it.
I also still strongly disagree about not engaging with the game. I am engaging where I see potential and where I have questions. I am not engaging absolutely everywhere because
1. I just don't have that time
2. Frankly, I've been focusing on other things and don't multifocus well on a game when I'm not actively focusing on it.
3. Defining engagement as engaging with a majority of the game is completely arbitrary. And I much rather just stick to engaging with things that interest me.
Yeah, I actually don't have any strong scum pings so far this game. There have been small things here and there, but very little I feel good about pushing. So what? That's entirely NAI or even rather town since it tells you I'm genuinely looking at people and making determinations instead of creating a list, knowing people's alignments already.
I guess the AP SR could be misinterpreted as OMGUS, but it's really a vote on how contrived the logic from him has been. My vote would be there still even if he had been pushing someone else. The fact he was pushing me really has nothing to do with it.
Where's your engagement? Where's everyone elses? Why do you expect me to randomly pop in and respond to everyone and everything, even things I don't really particularly care about focusing on.
Appealing to texas? Nah, not really. Rather I just have a strong town read on him.
Really, it feels like you are just describing behavior in general and slapping a scum label on it.
I gave the thoughts I had. I don't feel particularly inclined to make up things in a reads list as town.
I'm pretty sure I had more than 1 TR? Like I know I'm TR you, texas and viper. And I'm pretty sure that's what I put in my reads list. But w/e.
Okay I guess the first point of 3 is valid, although it's rather silly.
But then wait what, asking people to explain more is now presuming you are town which is scummy? Dude no. I ask people to explain more because I want to get into their heads and see if they can back up their claims with reasoning, and examine that reasoning to see if it comes from a town or scum perspective. I....like how do you possibly twist that to be scummy.
I'm not saying it's impossible to scum read me. But I am saying your reasons are very bad (like, so bad you are wanting to lynch me for scumhunting).
There's also the fact to, you began the game really early suspecting me when there wasn't any reason to see me as town or scum. You've also kept that up the entirety of the day and frankly, seem really baised to see anything I do as scummy instead of critically examining it. It's something that's not really particularly alignment indicative. But it is kind of a weird behavior.
now this, this is wolfy
little frustrating that most people aren't directly talking to me but i'll keep trying; my activity isnt helping though
my biggest reason for TRing apricity last game was his tone and frustration(mainly shown on EoD d1 and the infamous page 20) and not necessarily his confidence in his reads (which scared me a bit entering the game honestly)
i don't feel he's a good d1 lynch this one either though
i think it is not optimal for cop to claim unless they hit scum and i am also uncertain if i'd want them to claim next day at all
if FH is town and cop reveals that then we probably don't get any more results for the next few nights which u trade for 2 conftown considering i feel scum would just RB the revealed cop 2x
no lynch argument can be acceptable because of how this setup is numbers wise but i dont think this plan is good
though ig u could argue that cop could be NKd leaving us with no results at all but that seems unlikely?
hm
what's your progression here from noting me initially to your weakest SR behind energy/IFML?
why do you feel that apricity (who is mostly being TRd) is an important read to elaborate on vs potential wagon candidates me/FH?
if you want to no lynch, do you want to follow apricity's plan?
my biggest reason for TRing apricity last game was his tone and frustration(mainly shown on EoD d1 and the infamous page 20) and not necessarily his confidence in his reads (which scared me a bit entering the game honestly)
i don't feel he's a good d1 lynch this one either though
i think it is not optimal for cop to claim unless they hit scum and i am also uncertain if i'd want them to claim next day at all
if FH is town and cop reveals that then we probably don't get any more results for the next few nights which u trade for 2 conftown considering i feel scum would just RB the revealed cop 2x
no lynch argument can be acceptable because of how this setup is numbers wise but i dont think this plan is good
though ig u could argue that cop could be NKd leaving us with no results at all but that seems unlikely?
hm
what's your progression here from noting me initially to your weakest SR behind energy/IFML?
why do you feel that apricity (who is mostly being TRd) is an important read to elaborate on vs potential wagon candidates me/FH?
if you want to no lynch, do you want to follow apricity's plan?
what is super bad about the vote? can u elab
tbh i don't really like FH's latest posts tonally, they seem defensive for a currently L-4 lynch(of which Texas seems like he'll unvote from?)
unvote
idk if this wagon or a no lynch is better though
can u post votes in chronological time order and not alphabetically
unvote
idk if this wagon or a no lynch is better though
can u post votes in chronological time order and not alphabetically
I would if I was keeping track of that.
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weng and watched the nrl grand gfinal instead
i dnt rally get what others are saing about former hope tbh. i find them woly for differant (and selfish!) reasons
i disliked my initial reaction w.former where he specfially pinge ma dna sked me for my opinion on apricity (he also asked some1 else but they dnt respond... lol) int he context of it, i hadnt voiced any opinion on aprcity but they had scumread me 2 or so pages ago, but were now hifting focus to fh. when i gave my answer (i was trying apricty) they just sad 'welp. this isnt town asek standard. disapointing' without even asking for why i felt that way....?. felt lik they didnt really care to try to solve the slot or engage with me and wer potentially hoping (expecting?) for a particular answer to try rally an apricity cwagon. when they didtn get that answer, they went str8 to teh shade. there wasnt really any solving intent here - nd i avent really felt it iin the rest of their posts ether, they cme across as much more concerned w. ther standing than any kind of scumhunting.
the logic in their posts doesnt follow throug for me either. the weird jump inte 2 poss i quoted w. 'wolf'y earlier was whcne i first saw it, and theyve kept shaing myself and xpressing hestiation in expectation someone would try wagon me w.o rlly shoving the angle themslves... remnded me of ttheir tretment of me in greek mtyh . i think they were doing similar stuff to apricity. it pinged me to me when they went from takng no issue with the content of my posts and saying my tone was the problem, to agreeingw. energy that my posts were filler... when id made no posts inbtween his last assesment of my content.
i disliked my initial reaction w.former where he specfially pinge ma dna sked me for my opinion on apricity (he also asked some1 else but they dnt respond... lol) int he context of it, i hadnt voiced any opinion on aprcity but they had scumread me 2 or so pages ago, but were now hifting focus to fh. when i gave my answer (i was trying apricty) they just sad 'welp. this isnt town asek standard. disapointing' without even asking for why i felt that way....?. felt lik they didnt really care to try to solve the slot or engage with me and wer potentially hoping (expecting?) for a particular answer to try rally an apricity cwagon. when they didtn get that answer, they went str8 to teh shade. there wasnt really any solving intent here - nd i avent really felt it iin the rest of their posts ether, they cme across as much more concerned w. ther standing than any kind of scumhunting.
the logic in their posts doesnt follow throug for me either. the weird jump inte 2 poss i quoted w. 'wolf'y earlier was whcne i first saw it, and theyve kept shaing myself and xpressing hestiation in expectation someone would try wagon me w.o rlly shoving the angle themslves... remnded me of ttheir tretment of me in greek mtyh . i think they were doing similar stuff to apricity. it pinged me to me when they went from takng no issue with the content of my posts and saying my tone was the problem, to agreeingw. energy that my posts were filler... when id made no posts inbtween his last assesment of my content.
