PU Silvally (Mini)

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implemented and uploading -zard

[OVERVIEW]

While Silvally's decent Attack in tandem with its access to Swords Dance and decently powerful STAB moves make it seem threatening, there isn't much reason to use it over other Normal-types. Stoutland and Kangaskhan more easily and consistently threaten balance and offense, respectively, due to their better coverage in moves like Superpower and Earthquake, their access to Scrappy, and the latter even possessing priority in Fake Out. Although they are frailer than it, Dodrio, Zangoose, and Alolan Raticate also outclass Silvally as Normal-type setup sweepers because of their secondary typings, their actually useful abilities, their more immediate power, their access to priority moves, and the former two's better Speed tiers.

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Double-Edge
move 3: Parting Shot
move 4: Shadow Claw
item: Normalium Z
ability: RKS System
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set tries to use Silvally's powerful Breakneck Blitz, good coverage options, and Parting Shot to make it a threatening setup sweeper that can break through bulky Pokemon as well as potentially pivot. While Double-Edge is powerful, it wears Silvally down and cuts into its good bulk. Furthermore, Silvally is overly reliant on setting up to wallbreak due to its Attack stat only being decent. Other Normal-type wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Stoutland, Dodrio, and Alolan Raticate are more reliable and consistently put more pressure on opposing teams, meaning that there is little reason to consider Silvally before any of them.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[allstarapology, 400292]]
- Quality checked by: [[tondas, 442732], [Megazard, 202117]]
- Grammar checked by: [[A Cake Wearing A Hat, 388157]

 

[tondas]

[OVERVIEW]

While Silvally's decent Attack in tandem with its access to Swords Dance and a staggering 200 Base Power Breakneck Blitz make it seem threatening, there isn't much reason to use it over other Normal-types. Stoutland and Kangaskhan more easily and consistently threaten balance and offense, respectively, due to their higher Attack stats (kanga ties tho), better coverage (probably worth specifying bc vally is kinda hopeless versus fat steels/rocks), access to Scrappy, and even access to priority in the latter's case. Although they are frailer than it, Dodrio, Zangoose, and Alolan Raticate also outclass Silvally as a Normal-type setup sweeper because of their secondary typings, actually useful abilities, more immediate power, and access to priority moves (former two are also faster).

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Double-Edge
move 3: Explosion
move 4: Crunch (idt this secures many significant koes over +2 shadow claw, also would hate to face smth like colbur wisp jelli and just get fucked by it) / Shadow Claw / Parting Shot
item: Normalium Z
ability: RKS System
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set tries to use Silvally's powerful Breakneck Blitz, good coverage options, and Parting Shot to make it a threatening setup sweeper that can break through typical Normal checks (can probably say bulky mons instead because "typical normal checks" in the eyes of scrappy stoutland and kangashkan would comprise of like, regirock and shuca aggron which vally absolutely cannot break through) as well as potentially pivot. While Silvally's STAB moves are powerful, they either wear it down and cut into its good bulk or sacrifice it. Furthermore, Silvally is overly reliant on setting up to break due to its Attack stat only being decent. Other Normal-type wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Stoutland, Dodrio, and Alolan Raticate are more reliable and consistently put more pressure on opposing teams, meaning that there is little reason to consider Silvally before any of them.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[allstarapology, 400292]]
- Quality checked by: [[<username1>, <userid1>], [<username2>, <userid2>]]
- Grammar checked by: [[<username1>, <userid1>]]

qc 1/2

 

[Oglemi]

Does Z-Double-Edge actually miss many KOes that Z-Explosion gets? I get that STAB Z-Explosion is Silvally's "thing", but like the difference between the two is pretty minuscule:

vs: Tangela:
+2 Z-Double-Edge 65.5 - 77.2%
+2 Z-Explosion 68.5 - 81.1%

vs Type: Null :
+2 Z-Double-Edge 88.3 - 103.8%
+2 Z-Explosion 92.3 - 109.1%
(both guaranteed after SR)

vs Weezing:
+2 Z-Double-Edge 96.4 - 114%
+2 Z-Explosion 101.7 - 120.3%

From what I could find after punching in a bunch of calcs, the only major difference I could find is the guarantee on Weezing.

Basically, imo, another coverage move or simply giving Parting Shot a moveslot is probably more warranted. I think Z-Explosion is more warranted if you were running Return tho, which would probably be easiest to edit the set to reflect, since running a recoil move when you have no passive recovery, take every hazard, and will likely switch a couple times if ur running Parting Shot is probably not the greatest idea? idk just something I felt worth bringing up, ignore me if you want 9.9

Edit: unless there's merit to the double nuke option, which I hadn't considered until just now. Although you'd think a +2 D-E is plenty threatening in its own right but I can see where having a +2 straight explosion is appealing if using silvally as a wall breaker, I was operating under the impression of using it as a sweeper originally

 

[MZ]

i agree with oglemi, would change the coverage and remove mentions of having the 200BP nuke. everything else is good, so do that and it's 2/2

 

[A Cake Wearing A Hat]

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[OVERVIEW]

While Silvally's decent Attack in tandem with its access to Swords Dance and decently powerful STAB moves make it seem threatening, there isn't much reason to use it over other Normal-types. Stoutland and Kangaskhan more easily and consistently threaten balance and offense, respectively, due to their better coverage in moves like Superpower and Earthquake, their access to Scrappy, and the latter even possessing priority in Fake Out. Although they are frailer than it, Dodrio, Zangoose, and Alolan Raticate also outclass Silvally as a Normal-type setup sweeper sweepers because of their secondary typings, their actually useful abilities, their more immediate power, their access to priority moves, and the former two's better Speed tiers.

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Double-Edge
move 3: Parting Shot
move 4: Shadow Claw
item: Normalium Z
ability: RKS System
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set tries to use Silvally's powerful Breakneck Blitz, good coverage options, and Parting Shot to make it a threatening setup sweeper that can break through bulky Pokemon as well as potentially pivot. While Double-Edge is powerful, it either wear wears Silvally down and cut cuts into its good bulk. Furthermore, Silvally is overly reliant on setting up to break wallbreak due to its Attack stat only being decent. Other Normal-type wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Stoutland, Dodrio, and Alolan Raticate are more reliable and consistently put more pressure on opposing teams, meaning that there is little reason to consider Silvally before any of them.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[allstarapology, 400292]]
- Quality checked by: [[tondas, 442732], [Megazard, 202117]]
- Grammar checked by: [[A Cake Wearing A Hat, 388157]]

GP 1/1