'LE' Smogn invttonl Gam Thred (Mafia Wins)

That’s gonna take some time

Only things I’d like to add are that I read the iso for Josh in one of his town games (I didn’t know which account was his in the other) and I swear that I remember him in invitational getting mad at a bad townread but went and looked and couldn’t find it. Wouldn’t be shocked if I were combining players in my head. Gonna read a scum game later today

Unvote for now
 
Your case on me is that I’m not playing optimally, isn’t it?

No it's that it seems like you are disinvolving yourself from potential blame in the future, also seems like you are trying buddy Josh a lot. I have no problem with talking with friends but the whole, "Josh you're so good you can have my vote" makes me sick lol.
 
ok. let's get started. im taking the fucking reins this game. move the fuck over Josh Texas Cloverleaf because idk how you even remotely tr this slot

the thing about metal sonic is that a very large portion of his entire game is either filler or focused on myself. he didnt really start trying until
page 24-27. he is set to prove that i am scum. his read on me flows exceptionally well with the current gamestate because the majority of the game has me in their poe. nobody in the game has even remotely townread me.

it's why i dont buy his overall progression in regards to his read on me; or, honestly? anybody else in the game.

METAL SONIC'S READS:

MS's first sets of reads in the game are posts #411, #412

he denotes that yeti is an "idk" for him(notably flipping this read for no reason throughout the game) and om is his biggest scumread.

instead of voting, or pressuring OM room or the other people on the list its just a random readlist that doesnt give him anything other than displaying his "thoughts". he is voting with josh instead of caring about pushing people atp early on.

his first tunnel on me is on page 24. he questions and disagrees with the comments on my posts on the next page. the questions on #608 and #619 feel like busy work and dont actually link up to anything regarding his own analysis of what he feels i should be doing. he then votes me on post #630 for completely unrelated LAMIST reasons; almost making the last page of questioning sort of pointless on his overall thought process on me?

he then literally goes back to filler for his next 20 posts or so until #848 where he interacts with texas asking for his scumreads.
he dodges questions asked by me or yeti and only seems to interact with his townreads

his next tunnel on me is page 43 to whatever the fuck the game is at now. notable posts:

#1082: if he actually read my posts all game, i have used meta a few times as a basis for reads just based on the familiarity i have had with the playerlist.
#1089: grasping reason that automatically assumes my position is lying: a bit too quick to confbias yourself on something too early?
#1098: at this point he believes i am scum. this is important for later
#1102: also a misrep- theres a lot of implication here that im using meta to fake my reads on people and i havent yet been shown evidence of this yet(or ever)
#1104: (buddying FH btw and not elaborating on his sr on OM)
#1106-1107: he doesnt even know my progression on my scumreads; implying that he hasnt been reading my posts the whole game. but he was literally there on
page 24 when i called DLE my biggest ping.
#1109: more confbias/tunnel pushing
#1111: valid point on his end, i dont remember distinctly stating my reasoning outside of my pings on page 24.
#1117-1118: ok im confused here. you say my reasoning here is based on meta, which is apparently fake reasoning; but i've proven that some
reasonings behind my reads are actually meta reads itg? it's not fake. metal sonic is trying to push this agenda that my reads are fake this whole game
because it's lowcost for him. hes able to get away with this because im not a slot most people itg care about.
#1126-1127:ok lets cut this down. 1127 was probably written sometime near that time
1. sure i'll take it. lack of explanation is in fact not all that protown and i think it's a resonable case
2. why does the bolded need to have meta?
3. "asek's push" should be "the push on asek former hope had last game" so the first part doesnt mean anything, really.
the latter part of 3 is trash too; there is similar content that did ping me and i brought it up in the thread once or twice earlier at this point.
4. why are we going back to meta again? why is that your primary focus when it comes to developing my read on someone? this comes up later
5. you have not developed your read on me or on anybody throughout this entire game; and how the hell do you think of yourself or former hope as an easy
mislynch compared to me? if anything, the wagon you're pushing on me is easy considering most people itg have me in their poe.

so out of this post; the only real suggestion i can grab out of here is 1. the rest of these feel very fabricated to me especially considering how aggro
metal sonic's slot is at this point. there is very little town motivation in here at all. it's a case; but he really doesnt seem to have put all that much
effort in sorting my slot nor pushing a wagon on me so that i could become more readable to him. instead he maintains this read the whole game by shading me
through saying ive been "scummy" and then opening this tunnel on me now. also, this "case" was probably written in like 10 minutes based on timestamps.
i dont actually think he put much thought in this

#1158: but. i have used meta. you seem to claim the fact that i use meta as a fake crutch.... so you saying i dont use it to help me read people is....
#1174-1176: probably the worst posts. what are you exactly saying: i shouldn't be using anything else besides meta to read people? how does this at all correlate to the fact that i am not using meta? but you say later on i use meta as a fake reasoning behind my reads??? what about the other ways i've read people???
#1183: ah "cherrypicking defense" lol. this comes up later in the META SONIC section.
#1200: the latter part of 1200 is intentionally manipulative. like actually read that and think about how it was carefully worded to function as. it's
implying as if i'm straight up attacking duskfall. nuxl is the bad, abrasive guy here.
#1223: again implies that im scum here

#1261, #1263: as if metal sonic didnt already think i was LOCKSCUM, he has to actually go out of his way to reiterate to texas that i am scum. good
job either confbiasing this or pushing your agenda on this heavily with positive feedback considering everybody else in the game thinks i'm scummy

#1351: IMPORTANT POST! MS SAYS I AM FAKING READS! it's not fake. it's proven not fake if you actually went back and looked at my prior posts in this game. i have had reasoning. is my coinage of meta of how i read people fake? what's fake about my reads?

he walked into the game, assumed i was scum, and continues to think so. he has no concern over wavering on this. even people like vooper and texas had to think about my posts in certain scenarios throughout the game even though they maintained the read overall.

honestly just look at the way he paints me when he interacts with texas and dusk on pages 52-53 and 55-56.

side note, i do not think he's directly interacted with anybody else in the game besides dusk, me, yeti, texas, and josh. check his iso

see the funny part about all of this is that metal sonic has locked himself on this tunnel on me. he has to keep spouting this bullshit or else he will
have his push fade and wavering on this read will reflect badly on him; so he has to "scumhunt"... except he is not.
he does not give attention to most of the other slots in the game and his reads throughout the game on e.g yeti and OM room feel as if they're adapting to josh and texas's. he only seems to care about other slots if they are brought up to them ala dusk's moody suggestion on page 24-27 and texas bringing up OM room on page 52. his attention is directed towards me because if he is scum it's incredibly lowcost to push a slot that's already getting pressured by the rest of the game.

he is also not even voting me right now because he is trying to convince the rest of the game(such as duskfall on page 24-27 and page 55
and texas(from pages 52-53) that im lockscum. he may succeed. but i do request that everyone instantly turboes him tomorrow assuming he does.

i guess what i am trying to say is: what has he been doing all game otherwise? idk. calling me a bad player, and being obnoxious?

"omg nuxl is cherrypicking posts and attacking metal sonic scummy!!!" im just prefacing this for funsies. more importantly? read the first 3 posts of
metal sonic on page 48 and imagine how the fuck he believes what he says here.

META SONIC:

Hope+1(town): seemingly a disengaged towngame. his early reads are interesting- he nails the scumteam early and defends duskfall98 a townie that seemed to be getting unnecessary pressure. he calls out texas for bullshit reasoning because of duskfall's new status. this is definitely a lot more upfront in terms of read determination and kneejerk analysis; he also tries here on the early pages but disappears.
compared he has been acting this game; where his reads mimic josh and texas' for the most part this game.

Invitationalv2(scum): really, the main part you should be getting out of this is his tunnel on josh because i found it strikingly similar to what's happening this game. notable posts: #398, #401, #550, page 23-24, mainly his whole reaction towards josh. he isnt skirting on this read here. most of his attention is towards josh, and he even comments on posts that scumread josh because it fits his scum agenda. 64-65 also #1583 "cherrypicking" hmm sounds familiar #1590 "ur obv lying" hmm. he's maintained this read towards josh the entire game and it's scary how much it echoes the overall pushes metal sonic has on me this game.

Invitationalv1(town): the first thing you should note is how quickly he scumreads texas and spouts his reads. it's the same with hope+1. most importantly? he has actual fucking progression in his reads instead of locking them in. he intiially scumreads texas and then swaps him to a townread a few pages later. he thinks asek's posts got better throughout the game. he prephases how he wants to be town with yeti and hawkie instead of seemingly knowing who he's town with ala josh and texas this game.. he has actual dissenting reads; such as his read on hitmonleet due to actual meta from bards college. he also generally has less activity but more focus in this game than he does in this one and his scum game(more activity, less focus) above insinuating that there's a slight difference.

(of course, all of the above seem to be from a year ago; which is why i asked for more recent games)

in this playerlist i felt that the three hardest people for me to read would be josh, metal sonic, and yeti just based on how unfamiliar i am with them. it is entirely probable that i am, wrong, even! but i believe in this and i think there are distinct differences with his previous games that line up here.

honestly if i'm right about this i'll be taking that invitational ticket. unvote vote metal sonic
 
lol so basically tiggers case is mainly NAI crap, and stuff that has to first assume he is town first (Metal sonic’s behavior towards me is scummy). Worst is how most if not all of his arguments are also ignoring in-thread context because it’s obvious he just did an ISO of me and then wanted to just point out everything he didn’t like or could comment negatively on because, guess what, I’m the only one pushing him and giving him trouble. Talk about an agenda, lmao

reading the whole thing with it’s logical flaws gave me a mental aneurysm. I’ll debunk them later at a computer but seriously people shouldn’t just eat it up just because of length (see: jalmont’s theory examples)

Duskfall made better and valid points against me with less time and way more concise

That is what a town should do^
 
i honestly dont know how long metal sonic will take to respond or w/e but it's almost 4 am here
well I just posted the short version. If you want the long one you’re shit outta luck, wait a few hours, that wall probably took you at least 2 hours to write. A for effort. I can see how you 11-1’d smogon now
 
lol so basically tiggers case is mainly NAI crap, and stuff that has to first assume he is town first (Metal sonic’s behavior towards me is scummy). Worst is how most if not all of his arguments are also ignoring in-thread context because it’s obvious he just did an ISO of me and then wanted to just point out everything he didn’t like or could comment negatively on because, guess what, I’m the only one pushing him and giving him trouble. Talk about an agenda, lmao

you are not the only one who's been putting pressure on me this entire game but Alright, feel free to believe i scumread you because of that. what a stretch

go point out how it's NAI- there are distinct meta differences here and you're quite literally stretching for incredibly bullshit reasons to push me kind of like your josh push in invitational 1? go point out a read you've even remotely had some progression on this entire fucking game.
 
Tigger just realize the logical foundation* against your case falls apart if people can find evidence that my read on you is original (your main complaint being my read being “not organic” and “following the gamestate”)

Because, if I recall, Texas quoted evidence that my scumread on you was very early and “prophetic”

*whether the other players on smogon understand and listen to logical foundation is another matter
 
you are not the only one who's been putting pressure on me this entire game but Alright, feel free to believe i scumread you because of that. what a stretch

go point out how it's NAI- there are distinct meta differences here and you're quite literally stretching for incredibly bullshit reasons to push me kind of like your josh push in invitational 1? go point out a read you've even remotely had some progression on this entire fucking game.
“Pressure”

If I recall I was the only one who cased you, engaged you, and actually pushed you
 
Tigger just realize the logical foundation* against your case falls apart if people can find evidence that my read on you is original (your main complaint being my read being “not organic” and “following the gamestate”)

Because, if I recall, Texas quoted evidence that my scumread on you was very early and “prophetic”

yep. your scumread on me was early. did i discredit that? it doesnt mean it can't forced or adapted to a game state; afaik your vote was after josh and texas already voted me in the first few pages itg
 
you are not the only one who's been putting pressure on me this entire game but Alright, feel free to believe i scumread you because of that. what a stretch

go point out how it's NAI- there are distinct meta differences here and you're quite literally stretching for incredibly bullshit reasons to push me kind of like your josh push in invitational 1? go point out a read you've even remotely had some progression on this entire fucking game.
Sorry, I push players like that all the time. Quoting a similarity in my scum play just to confbias your point is just inaccurate if not dishonest. It’s down to playstyle. For every 1 “similarity” you quote from my scum game I can quote 10 things similar to my town game here

Fuck, you call anyone who scumreads you for a valid reason “stretching”, including Texas
 
Sorry, I push players like that all the time. Quoting a similarity in my scum play just to confbias your point is just inaccurate if not dishonest. It’s down to playstyle. For every 1 “similarity” you quote from my scum game I can quote 10 things similar to my town game here

Fuck, you call anyone who scumreads you for a valid reason “stretching”, including Texas

it's not dishonest because it's the current interpretation of the way you pushed people from the games i've read......... such as.......... your............ scum game........ you tunnelled josh in.........

ok please feel free to do so. coerce me. post some more games that have better indicators of your meta.

you think texas's wording thing was a good reason?
 
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