'LE' Smogn invttonl Gam Thred (Mafia Wins)

Vote Count

OM Room (3): Former Hope (#931), 3p1k (#1334), Texas Cloverleaf (#1818)
Metal Sonic (3): nuxl (#1406), Duskfall98 (#1704), Josh (#2073)
Former Hope (2): OM Room (#166), Metal Sonic (#1755)
Yeti (1): MoodyCloud (#250)
MoodyCloud (1): Yeti (#1708)

Not Voting: Da Letter El, Jalmont, Vooper

highly likely to be vinal vc as i have a twenty first some time away from computer access and will be calling dl via mobile most likely

the spectators have my blessing to do vc's but do not expect them.
 
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texas continues to be town it's shia labeouf. not that this is news but way too comfy to be scum here

If people are solely scumreading OM off of tone I think that's silly. It felt like his annoyance was genuine; whether that's because he hates rolling scum or hates being voted, or hates how fucking cold it is, I couldn't tell you, but it felt like a lot of momentum on pages 30-33 were like "om is talking funny" when I don't think any of his tone was AI there.

OM room said:
Here I'll try to do something better for you Duskfall98

Texas Cloverleaf:
Has been working towards solving the game and garnering reads on everyone, sufficient town read
Da Letter El: Original vote on him seemed like bullshit from my eyes and that coloured my view on him wrongly, his progression so far seems natural, especially if he's playing drunk at times. The attempts at pushing Josh's buttons for the sake of it is kinda NAI because on one hand he looks like he is trying to get reads on Josh but on the other hand he might have just copped out on a full argument with him. I think it's a townlean though.
Former Hope: Scumread, OMGUS vote and the double down on that was sketch enough, but I feel like they are coasting the game and just pushing something every so often without much thought or effort into the scumhunting itself.
Josh: same with Texas but originally I had him lumped in with Metal Sonic because of how similar they felt but the argument with josh I just had felt extremely town tonally.
JALMONT: He is on another fucking level of thinking but all he has said is NAI at best. Neutral
nuxl: He's said a lot, and thoughts are there but he seems to be passively scumhunting instead of actively scumhunting which is why a lot of people are pinging on him. I kinda wanna see his reactions to everything when he comes back but for now I'll lean scum.
moodycloud: The cloud in the wind, moving everywhere, doing nothing: Scumlean, would like to see a lot more from him.
Metal Sonic: Neutral leaning town, seems to be trolling and reminds me of myself last matrix
duskfall98: I appreciate the talk, but I gotta ISO you first to see.
yeti - Similar to my posts, like too similar in our stances. The double down on the "you guys post a lot" felt really weird, and overall I'm not sure if it's a play at me or what.
3p1k - He's done nothing lol neutral leaning town because he would try something as scum.
vooper - Townread. Comments have felt natural, he's consistent in his arguments, Only issue I have with him is the passive vs. active scumhunting bit.
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But then posts like this, he's hedging a ton. I'm much more used to OM being more settled in his reads. While I don't think of OM as a particularly pushy player, I do think of him as one where in like the last matrix, he was more like "this dude's probably scum" instead of being Yung Lean.
 
Metal Sonic said:
I’m terrible at this game
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Metal Sonic said:
I’m the worst player in the game that’s why I’m sheeping josh because letting him catch scum is better than me lynching town
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I have a hard time believing scum MS calls himself bad because he'd probably be too hyped up off rolling S

how does duskfall end up posting so much in 30-35 and do like nothing ai outside of pushing someone largely afk and fielding softball questions for om, which is just as indicative of "this is just my hunch"/nai as it is "i'm pushing someone guys look!!!"/scum. If OM flips scum I look at dusk first.
 
i'm not lynching jalmont today

I feel like more people would be MAD if he had partners and he was subjecting them to this, because I have a hard time believing most of team scum would be cool with a dude posting walls of OSI noc game meta analysis
Josh said:
In an ideal world with 13 great players, a higher post count is better for town always. If scum posts garbage to clutter the thread, they would get called out on it. Of course, this isn't an ideal world and there aren't 13 great players here, and it almost never works out that way. But there's a reason that when you get playerlists of all even pretty good players, town wins more often than not (read: team mafia, where town won 4 and almost 5 games- actually, WF was the only one they lost).

But f off with this theory shit, go make a theory thread. Texas. There's more relevant stuff to talk about. Don't feed the troll.
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I really dislike the latter part because it's fairly obvious this won't derail thread; jalmont's shown no inclination to banter back and forth on meta, he's just been dropping bombs on your moms. just feels cheap to throw in as if you feel town!josh would be obligated to keep things focused instead of responding when there's actually a problem.
3P1K said:
Fh doesnt leave this townbloc without my permission! Probably. This is all pending. Walk me through the change of mind tex?
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I really like this tone. rad was super nervous in matrix and throwing in !'s feels much more like rad's just doing coasting town than he is nervous "oh fuck what do I say" scum that he was in the last game.
 
oh I never said anything about where I ended up with yeti

I'm not voting yeti today p sure this is town yeti. I don't know how to describe it and i'm willing to reevaluate later but i've just got this hunch idk the bants felt right
 
Duskfall98 said:
Tbh kinda down for om or FH lynch at this point I agree that there's probably one scum in them. Probably would prefer om. It's really bothering me how this has gone so long, usually a two way tunnel this hard would fizzle out if it is tvt and this just hasnt.
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dusk when's the last game you've calmly sheeped in a noc, and what's convinced you or had you convinced of OM/FH being not TvT?
 
oh I should sort of clarify my question to dusk since you give some justification: I mean moreso like what in the content itself rather than the duration (or was it just the duration)
 
Da Letter El said:
dusk when's the last game you've calmly sheeped in a noc, and what's convinced you or had you convinced of OM/FH being not TvT?
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I haven't sheeped, all my reads I have given independent reasoning which as far as I can see hasn't even mirrored other players reasoning. Just because I have concluded the same people are scummy as other town players doesn't mean I am sheeping. However, to answer your question I have never really sheeped, at least not excessively. The reason Fh/OM isn't TvT is because OM is excessively scummy to me, and at one point I even made a point to OM to which he responded "ok yeah I can see why people are scumreading me" so I really don't think my judgement is flawed here.
 
Da Letter El said:
oh I should sort of clarify my question to dusk since you give some justification: I mean moreso like what in the content itself rather than the duration (or was it just the duration)
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You probably haven't got that far but atm FH isn't my scummiest read, I am close to null on him. OM is probably scum because he has done nothing but tunnel fh and town reads everyone who is active posting. The unwillingness to make even a real scum lean just makes it seem like he doesn't want to be held accountable to me. Also he has had pretty much no progression on FH at all despite focusing on him solely since the very start which is p bad to me.
 
Duskfall98 said:
I haven't sheeped, all my reads I have given independent reasoning which as far as I can see hasn't even mirrored other players reasoning. Just because I have concluded the same people are scummy as other town players doesn't mean I am sheeping. However, to answer your question I have never really sheeped, at least not excessively. The reason Fh/OM isn't TvT is because OM is excessively scummy to me, and at one point I even made a point to OM to which he responded "ok yeah I can see why people are scumreading me" so I really don't think my judgement is flawed here.
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Ok you can be town for today.

you arriving at TvT felt a lot like in reading that you were just sheeping josh's throwaway of "this isn't TvT" since I hadn't seen much analysis on it and it felt really out of character. I like you just straight refusing it was a sheep job because I think scum!dusk would attempt to justify that rather than push back.

Duskfall98 said:
You probably haven't got that far but atm FH isn't my scummiest read, I am close to null on him. OM is probably scum because he has done nothing but tunnel fh and town reads everyone who is active posting. The unwillingness to make even a real scum lean just makes it seem like he doesn't want to be held accountable to me. Also he has had pretty much no progression on FH at all despite focusing on him solely since the very start which is p bad to me.
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you probably develop this more later but you do say around that point that you like an OM vote over an FH one and that FH is more null than scum so I caught that part.
 
Da Letter El said:
Ok you can be town for today.

you arriving at TvT felt a lot like in reading that you were just sheeping josh's throwaway of "this isn't TvT" since I hadn't seen much analysis on it and it felt really out of character. I like you just straight refusing it was a sheep job because I think scum!dusk would attempt to justify that rather than push back.


you probably develop this more later but you do say around that point that you like an OM vote over an FH one and that FH is more null than scum so I caught that part.
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What page are you on right now?
 
Da Letter El said:
i'm not lynching jalmont today

I feel like more people would be MAD if he had partners and he was subjecting them to this, because I have a hard time believing most of team scum would be cool with a dude posting walls of OSI noc game meta analysis

I really dislike the latter part because it's fairly obvious this won't derail thread; jalmont's shown no inclination to banter back and forth on meta, he's just been dropping bombs on your moms. just feels cheap to throw in as if you feel town!josh would be obligated to keep things focused instead of responding when there's actually a problem.

I really like this tone. rad was super nervous in matrix and throwing in !'s feels much more like rad's just doing coasting town than he is nervous "oh fuck what do I say" scum that he was in the last game.
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lol you're retarded
 
Well ms was hard tunneling nuxl for like 2 days straight and then instantly turned to "actually nuxl is the towniest player, nuxl if I am lynched you will get lynched tomorrow since people are saying we are tvs". Which looks to me like he is trying to pocket nuxl, however I don't think a lot of people agree with me here. I am not really sure why other people are scumreading josh, but I just don't like how he has tried pocket josh early then he failed now he did an instant u-turn that is greatest scum read was his greatest town read (with absolutely no progression) and it just doesn't make sense to me how someone trying to game solve could u-turn so quick.
 
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