Venomoth does not learn Hypnosis. I think you mean Sleep Powder. Still, that double status set is much better than Butterfree's.
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The Best Butterfly?
- Thread starter blastoiselover100
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Venomoth does not learn Hypnosis. I think you mean Sleep Powder. Still, that double status set is much better than Butterfree's.
It depends which environment you're using it in. Both Butterfree and Venomoth do pretty low damage in OU, so Butterfree is probably a bit more useful with his better support (via status). In UU, where the pokemon are weaker (and the top two special walls are weak to bug), Venomoth's superior offense is a lot more valuable. He's also a lot more viable as a Baton Passer there (in OU he's pretty outclassed). On the other hand, pokemon that are immune to Paralysis or Sleep are a lot more common in UU, so the value of Butterfree's statusing ability is lessened.
Oops yeah, sorry, I was thinking about something else while positng. Thanks for catching that.
That is true for Butterfree, but thanks to Tinted Lens and Choice Specs, it is not for Venomoth. Remember it can 2HKO Empoleon.
Well that is not saying much that a special attacker cannot scratch a special wall. But Empoleon has good special defense. That is like a SpecsMence taking on Blissey.
Well, I need my say in this.
I believe that Venomoth is the better butterfly/moth because it just has more options available to it. Butterfree is essentially a one trick pony. Yes, it has the most accurate double-powder (save Smeargle) in the game, but Venomoth can double powder as well - just not as well. Also, how I see it is that if you use Venomoth with double powder and you manage to use it without missing, then the accuracy becomes irrelevent, just a number that hereforth means nothing. There could be a day where you miss every single time with your Butterfree, yet hit every single time with your Venomoth. It's just how it works.
I believe that Venomoth is the better butterfly/moth because it just has more options available to it. Butterfree is essentially a one trick pony. Yes, it has the most accurate double-powder (save Smeargle) in the game, but Venomoth can double powder as well - just not as well. Also, how I see it is that if you use Venomoth with double powder and you manage to use it without missing, then the accuracy becomes irrelevent, just a number that hereforth means nothing. There could be a day where you miss every single time with your Butterfree, yet hit every single time with your Venomoth. It's just how it works.
Yes, it is an abysmally small possibility, but some people are just that unlucky! (
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The accuracy is irrelevant. If something kills it first, which is the most likely thing to happen, then what does it matter? With Sandstorm around so prevelantly, Focus Sash is ruined and what if it carries Sleep Talk? Or a Lum Berry? What then? It just dies.
How does it 2HKO Empoleon? Explain a little more please.
Right, but attacking is not a workset. If you're evaluating the odds of something working on a turn-by-turn basis, to use the values from the workset is to commit the gambler's fallacy.
What if it sleeps your lead, paralyzes your switch, and then U-turns to an appropriate counter?
When a Max SpA Specs Venomoth uses Bug Buzz on a Max SpDef/HP Empoleon, Empoleon loses over 53% of its health.
I see, thank you for explaining it.
That is exactly what makes it better than Butterfree.
lol junior no. The accuracy of a move or the probability of a move hitting or inflicting a status is an independent event. It does not matter whether it was successful the turn before, it has the same probability of occurring regardless. What you're saying is like since I have a 50% chance of getting heads or tails if I flip a coin, if I got heads on the first flip, I must have a 100% chance of getting tails on the second flip because 50% probability means I will get 1 heads and 1 tails out of 2 flips.
I posted ages ago and said "vote venomoth" lol...you traitor.
Uh
Yanmega ftw!
no really, I like venemoth in UU. specs+Tinted lens is awesome.
Yanmega ftw!
no really, I like venemoth in UU. specs+Tinted lens is awesome.
It's definitely a choice between Butterfree and Venomoth. Venomoth is an awesome Choice Specs user with Tinted Lens, its Bug Buzz rips through even a lot of things that resists it. It isn't walled by Hypno either, which isn't something a lot of UU special attackers can boast about. And besides being a BUTTERFREE (how fucking awesome is that?) Butterfree gets an awesome Tinted Lens Sleep Powder, which is almost a Spore, making it a usable Sash lead.
Why doesnt anyone ever mention tinted lens yanmega >_>
its so gooood
its so gooood
Heh, y'know, Mothim isn't completely outclassed. It's really the only bug there that has the chance to go completely mixed with 94/94 attacking stats. It has quite a deadly U-Turn coming off of 300+ attack, and it has a great special movepool.
The big problems with Mothim lie in the fact that it is incredibly slow and has an awful physical movepool outside of U-Turn...remember that though. Mothim is probably the best completely mixed bug there.
The big problems with Mothim lie in the fact that it is incredibly slow and has an awful physical movepool outside of U-Turn...remember that though. Mothim is probably the best completely mixed bug there.
