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He didn't say anything about that but I don't think so as it will still have dynamax level. I think that just changing effect of a type of attack is all it will do (for charizard at least)
That would a very huge waste of aesthetics if the new forms were only meant to alter one specific type of attack. Most of the G-Max Pokemon look even bulkier than their regular forms. There would especially be no point to G-Max forms other than style if you decide to not teach them any moves of the specific type.
 
That would a very huge waste of aesthetics if the new forms were only meant to alter one specific type of attack. Most of the G-Max Pokemon look even bulkier than their regular forms. There would especially be no point to G-Max forms other than style if you decide to not teach them any moves of the specific type.
G-Max moves have been shown to share a typing with the Pokemon, and they usually have some pretty nice secondary effects (to varying degrees of course, Lapras) so I don't see why you wouldn't have a move of that specific type in most, if not all, cases.
 
I hope the condition to have G-Max will be clear in the game (or a possible data mining could explain us) because at the moment we don't have real information. In fact, I think the leaker says he didn't encounter ANY G-Max during raid so it could be that we have to do these special read online (I don't know if we need Nintendo online to play these sry)

Do we have any solid information on Stonjourner yet? I’ve seen three different typings reported for it, and nothing on its stats and abilities.
Stonjourner is a sword exclusive but the leaker have shield so we can't have info about him, flapple, zacian etc
 
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Someone was streaming Sword earlier and it got taken down, but not until after they caught a Rookidee.

Rookidee
Tiny Bird Pokemon
Type - Flying
Height - 8"
Weight - 4 lbs.

"It will bravely challenge any opponent, no matter how powerful. This Pokemon benefits from every battle - even a defeat increases its strength a bit."
 
Also I just gotta say cuz I've seen it a lot in this thread and it irritates me. Trick room is not an effective or very viable playstyle for a smogon singles team. No pokemon is going to be tiered based on how lethal they can be in trick room. Trick room is a tool with some potency in vgc, but yall nuts if you think trick room usage is going to effect smogon tiers. It's never been an effective playstyle and it probably wont be. I'd almost argue its potency in vgc is even questionable, but that's a whole nother arguement.

If a pokemon needs trick room to be viable at all, it's bad. That's all, thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Have you ever played VGC, to say this? Trick Room is one of the most viable archetypes on VGC and one that you have to prepare for on teambuilding. Amoonguss wouldn't be nearly as much used in a meta with Tapu Koko, Lele and Fini, Incineroar and whatnot if it wasn't the premier TR counter/support, even with redirection.
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That should be all for now.
"You're out of Pokeballs."
No problem, I'll get this Master Ball from my GMax Bodor.
A bit late to the discussion, but TRs are a super awesome addition to the game. I remember back when BW2 / ORAS were about to come out, one of the things I was most hyped for was the new movepool additions certain Pokemon got, specifically new ones. Having TRs from the get go is super great because the new Pokemon don't have to deal with having sub-optimal movesets during the start of the generation. ! like how they are balanced to be limited-use as well since the moves are generally much stronger than the regular TMs barring a few exception

Regarding the moves themselves, there is a lot of good stuff. Here are my thoughts on a few of the new TM / TR moves

Mystical Fire: Ghost- and Psychic-types that don't get Flamethrower / Fire Blast would likely make pretty good users for some coverage against Steel-types. Hell, I could see normal Fire-types using this move too just because a guaranteed -1 Special Attack Drop is really powerful.

Razor Shell: This move is likely to have much lower distribution that Liquidation / Waterfall, so I doubt many Pokemon would run this. Still it would be an awesome addition to some Pokemon with shells, like Crustle,

Whirpool / Sand Tomb: Trapping moves like these have fascinated me ever since they got buffed in gen 6. While I doubt these moves will see any mainstream competitive use, they'll be a nice niche option to have on certain Pokemon.

Icicle Spear / Rock Blast: Love multi-hit moves, but outside of Pokemon with skill link or technician, I doubt anything will run these moves over stronger, more reliable options. On a side note, I'm crossing my fingers that Falinks gets Skill Link and learns these moves so it can distinguish itself from other Fighting-types.

Baton Pass: Despite Baton Pass being banned under Smogon's ruleset, I see this as a pretty fun option to abuse in Battle Tower, casual battles, and possibly AG. Passing Baton Pass boost to a relatively weak Pokemon is always really fun haha. With several setup moves as TM/TR moves, I feel that Baton Pass chains will be getting a boatload of new options.

Dragon Dance: DD has been a consistently good setup move throughout the generations, so seeing it become a TR is a bit worrisome for the metagame. Makes me kind of glad Garchomp isn't in the game. I'm hoping this move is distributed to slower Pokemon like the two fossil Dragons instead of fast mons since slower mons are easier to check.

Toxic Spikes: Toxic Spikes is a pretty decent entry hazard and could give more options to certain mons like Ferrothon. Depending how prominent Heavy Duty Boots are, however, it may not be as useful as it once was.

Stored Power: Pretty gimmicky move, but its a really fun gimmick. Baton Pass Teams would likely make the best use of this move, depending on how good its distribution is.

Power Whip / Leaf Blade: Having great physical Grass-type moves have wider distribution is fantastic. I'm predicting Power Whip will be mostly locked to Grass-types while Leaf Blade will have wider distribution. Assuming something like Leafeon of Rillaboom get Power Whip, it'll be a pretty nice upgrade in power compared to Leaf Blade / Drum Beating. The only Pokemon off the top of my head that I can think of that could get Leaf Blade is Aegislash, and it doesn't really benefit from it aside from hitting Hippowdon a bit harder. Still, I'm sure they'll be a lot of other Pokemon who can make great use of this move.

Close Combat: This is a fantastic move no doubt, but I don't see it being as widely distributed as Superpower. Still, several new Pokemons like Cinderace, and Ostagoon seem like feasible candidate to receive this move and they'd make fantastic use of it.

Nasty Plot: Oh boy, I'm worried about this move potentially being a bit too powerful . I know its basically a special version of Swords Dance, which has always had wide distribution, but I felt Swords Dance being widely distributed was generally balanced due to most physical attacks being weaker than Special attacks and Physical Attackers being vulnerable to Burn. Outside of Unaware, I don't know how teams are suppose to deal with ridiculously fast Pokemon like Dragapult spamming +2 Shadow Balls (assuming it get the Nasty Plot that is), especially with Blissey gone. I may be overreacting given that the new metagame has several decent special walls like Clefable and Tyranitar, but this move might push certain Pokemon over the edge.
Off all those, I think Gyarados will get Close Combat, if the other fish is getting it. It'll make Gyara even scarier.
I'd like to see Milotic get a buff. It's a poke not many people talk about but it's been a low key fav of mine
Love Milotic but i really don't think, from a vgc perspective
 
Are there any info regarding Barraskewda moove pool / other ability beside swift swim / exclusive moove?
Because since there is pelipper in the game I really think that it would fit well in a rain team (this theme may have been already aborted so if someone could tell me which page)
 
I hope the condition to have G-Max will be clear in the game (or a possible data mining could explain us) because at the moment we don't have real information. In fact, I think the leaker says he didn't encounter ANY G-Max during raid so it could be that we have to do these special read online (I don't know if we need Nintendo online to play these sry)


Stonjourner is a sword exclusive but the leaker have shield so we can't have info about him, flapple, zacian etc

I really, really hope they aren't time-limited events. That or Gigantamax in general is disallowed in VGC, possibly excluding Charizard.
 
Good thing trading is a thing. You'll get one soon enough I'm sure. Here's hoping Sirfetch'd is better since it seems like it's the counterpart to Cursola (with Darmanitan and Rapidash being counterparts of each other)
Do players invite/call others for dynamax-raids regardless the version? If there is a wild dynamax Corsola from a Shield player that invites me, then I can get it on the natural way.
 
Do players invite/call others for dynamax-raids regardless the version? If there is a wild dynamax Corsola from a Shield player that invites me, then I can get it on the natural way.
They haven't said one way or the other but it seems very logical that is the case, yes. And higher rated raids should have the ability for it to be HA, but it isn't a guarantee. (we aren't sure if it's all ratings or just some, unless they've said something about it already)
 
Why do people assume historically banned stuff like Aegislash and Smashpass(!?!?!) are gonna be automatically unbanned this gen? I can see Aegi now with the nerfs, but smashpass (and speed+other stats passing) has been banned since gen 5. We still have a speed boosting Baton Passer, we still have a Smash Passer, and Baton Pass was still universally banned for being uncompetitive last gen and this ban will likely carry over. I’m baffled by how people see a previously banned mechanic getting visibly better and somehow assume it will be legal
 
Any more info about Centiscorch (finalized BST, etc.)? GODDAMMIT GAMEFREAK DON'T REVEAL THAT IT'S MEDIOCRE AT BEST AND HAS A GOOD GIGANTAMAX FORM WHEN THIS GIMMICK WON'T BE HERE NEXT GEN
 
Why do people assume historically banned stuff like Aegislash and Smashpass(!?!?!) are gonna be automatically unbanned this gen? I can see Aegi now with the nerfs, but smashpass (and speed+other stats passing) has been banned since gen 5. We still have a speed boosting Baton Passer, we still have a Smash Passer, and Baton Pass was still universally banned for being uncompetitive last gen and this ban will likely carry over. I’m baffled by how people see a previously banned mechanic getting visibly better and somehow assume it will be legal

I'd imagine because this gen has a huge number of changes and very few obvious ubers to test. In gen 5 at least Smogon unbanned practically everything so in the early days you had a wild west of stuff like Soul Dew Latios, Darkrai, Shaymin Sky etc in OU. It was stupid overpowered fun at a time where no one knew enough about the meta to seriously play to win.

I'm 99% sure that smashpass and Aegi will be as broken as ever but it could be fun just to start off with them around for a week or two. Who knows, maybe smashpass will be a skilled play compared to just clicking Dynamax on Gyarados. Gen 8 is going to be really weird.
 
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