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NOC Shots NOC Game Thread [MAFIA WINS]
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VOTE COUNT (updated (it's always updated Caffeine you idiot))
Duskfall [5] - U-Turn Out, Haruno, Hawkie, HeaLnDeaL, Clarinet
Texas [2] - Apricity, ThunderBALLZ
ThunderBALLZ [2] - Moody, Texas
Haruno [1] - Duskfall
Cancerous [1] - Energy
Thunder~BALLZ I would like to confirm that you do in fact want to sub out before I sub in somebody.
Duskfall [5] - U-Turn Out, Haruno, Hawkie, HeaLnDeaL, Clarinet
Texas [2] - Apricity, ThunderBALLZ
ThunderBALLZ [2] - Moody, Texas
Haruno [1] - Duskfall
Cancerous [1] - Energy
Thunder~BALLZ I would like to confirm that you do in fact want to sub out before I sub in somebody.
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vote apricity
vote apricity
Imo the more appropriate time to go after idlers like thunderballz is when we are 1 or 2 mislynches away from mylo/lylo. We don't want to have too much idlers going into MYLO/LYLO but we should not go for these at D1 either.
I personally believe that during D1, the aftermath is more important than the flip itself. Having someone with little interaction with the other flipping D1 will leave us in a very rough start for D2, since It's more likely that the nightkill wouldn't provide much for us to work with.
At best we get one floating scum lynched with not much info to follow up.
At worst, we get one idler town lynched with not much to go follow up.
for the record I do think thunderballz's wagon move and his activity elsewhere on the forums are scummy.
I personally believe that during D1, the aftermath is more important than the flip itself. Having someone with little interaction with the other flipping D1 will leave us in a very rough start for D2, since It's more likely that the nightkill wouldn't provide much for us to work with.
At best we get one floating scum lynched with not much info to follow up.
At worst, we get one idler town lynched with not much to go follow up.
for the record I do think thunderballz's wagon move and his activity elsewhere on the forums are scummy.
The only scumlean I have right now is thunderballz. Unsure if lynching is a good idea for reasons above.
duskfall is complicated. I disagreed with his reasoning earlier and got some scum vibe off that. His later interactions got better. Not really feeling the lynch but It seems others disagree. Then again my reads on dusk in past had pretty low accuracy. I'm just gonna let things play out.
duskfall is complicated. I disagreed with his reasoning earlier and got some scum vibe off that. His later interactions got better. Not really feeling the lynch but It seems others disagree. Then again my reads on dusk in past had pretty low accuracy. I'm just gonna let things play out.
What's your final read on Clarinet? Gun to head.
oh no I was just trying to be cryptic I can be active after this day phase
can you put some effort into being active now
besides wouldn’t want someone to sub into a slot that is being lynched anyway that’s just dickery
Texas Cloverleaf has no reason to lynch Hal and is scum that’s my read before I go back and read everything else lol
When a lot of people play scum, there's a certain level of "i'm contributing reads" without actually being apart of main progression/conflicts.
Moody is probably town. There is some level of inquisitiveness and push in his town games that precedes his scumgames (or rather, what I envision his scumgames to be based on last game/hope+1). If you check how he interacts with slots this game/new world/later days of white flag, then it tends to line up fairly well? There's always expectations for this slot in later days, but town moody tends to match them with flying colors.
This is a pretty good tell for multiple people.
I think you can sort of apply this to players like Clarinet and Texas, the former which I will probably never have a confident read on due to being on different wavelengths and the latter who sucked before he had a strong continuation past page 40. But I think Clarinet's presence is more there. It's less scared than last game, and I think most people in the thread seem to agree. And I'm fine with it too.
There are certain posts Texas makes which would be like, a huge fucking step up from his game with Hal. There is inherent pushes/thoughts that remind me of Matrix 12(december 2018)'s inclusive lead of thought as opposed to the recent Matrix 14's sideline, bounce-back between a partner at hand. So I don't really know why the people that I think would agree do not. I do agree that the earlygame was a little off and it was a tad annoying having to push the gears for it to work but since then I've been like, fine?
I don't really see myself voting them, especially not today.
I think there's a dilemma with Dusk/Texas/Hal that I don't exactly see them taking the route they do if more than one of them is scum together. Especially between Hal/Dusk but this is more than obvious. These players(dusk, maybe hal specifically) get more excited at rolling scum with one another and wouldn't take these disruptive actions towards each other slots; which is why I said there was a gamestate split going forward.
apricity I think your reads are pretty good for the most part. I have no fucking idea how we differ so hard on Texas right now and that the biggest thing that worries me? There were a couple signaling things you did that I didn't understand(a few posts you liked). But we obviously had "aha" moments so lol. I guess this game you also seem more confident than I am. Connected with you earlier on though which is absolutely great but also cannot fathom your Texas read at this current point of time.
UTO: Strong logic, good analysis even if I don't particularly think some of it applies.(idt tommy even uses meta beyond his own experiences lmfao) Is probably only scum with hal, which isn't even like a nonzero world but not something I really want to believe in honestly. Notably disconnected super hard meta wise (his first (scum) game he kind of stood back and dispensed reads without a plan, his second (town)game he didn't do too much d1 but picked it up later). He's either getting coached by hal or not at all, so it's one of the things I was entertaining but something I don't like mega feel confident in believing in. Like some of hal's posts feel both extremely towny and natural from what I expect. I like both slots but UTO is either with hal or not red at all. And I don't really want to believe the former since it means I've been baited the entire game lmfao.
Hawkie: I hated his logic on Duskfall/Clarinet earlygame. There was a certain level of feist and pinpoint connect the dots (scum interaction between tommy and clarinet) that I didn't find myself vibing with just because it felt tacked onto an already stacked wagon. Maybe I was just bothered by the fact that most reads felt like it flowed with the thread. Regardless this slot is towny based on literal pure emotion but kind of whatever content wise. Wish the slot was more active but I can definitely see why they aren't lol. I can also see where they're going on Cancerous but for different reasons, but Hawkie what is your current dusk read? current clarinet read? do you not feel as strong on dusk anymore?
Energy: Probably should have voted this slot earlier to see the reaction but I don't think it works at all at this point of time. The last time this slot made literal 0 effort was lovers dance because of time reasons, but everything since that game since had like, some contribution to the game on D1. I've seen this slot do things elsewhere offsite (on discord) during this but their literal last thing onsite was their last post on the thread into insta logoff. Dunno.
Cancerous: Looked back, lowposting is natural for this slot, but intriguingly has not really committed to many reads/points of pressure as they generally do? Can't really discern if it's me just not "getting" the slot or if there's an actual nitpick here. The idler logic here is kinda wack and hasn't really vocalized pressure unlike in his previous 2 NOCs. So it's not really because of "bread and butter" but I just don't see what I think I'd see here.
TBZ: I expect a little bit more from this slot, apparently played league like 25 hours ago + is playing league right now + and has been active offsite (on discord) as well. Obviously not very super active as town either but has a little more confidence and feist in their reads as well as general presence? "he hasn't done anything though!!!!" that's the fucking point lmao check last game.
Haruno: Lol
Heal: Feistiness resembles what I'd otherwise expect from his towngame. His last scumgame I've seen (lose yo village) kind of had him hiding behind walls and tonally absent, albeit that part could be because of the playerlist this game (and in addition my fault lmao). I'm kind of fine with this slot; I actually think the earlier tell I described matches. 1. more frustration this game than usual (which is most definitely due to me) 2. have not seen scumgame live are my other notes but not that noteworthy enough to consider.
Duskfall: This one is kind of hard. I have only played with scumtommy twice and the first wasn't a real NOC and the second he agreed with DS that they wouldnt post (prolly cuz i'd beat his ass) lmao. I didn't really like his early pages. It felt extra because he tends to flail a lot as scum and his read on clarinet felt kind of garbo. Then his reads on everybody on his wagon felt kind of eh. Didn't like his reaction to being super close to L-1 as well.
Have no idea how to feel about the static wagon atp.
I'm not defending this slot. I just have no idea what to do about it and I have no like, very strong leads. I kind of just want to see a flip and move on from there but I also wish I had a better contribution than just rambling about it. I do actually think if tommy flips red he's the strongest player on his team.
I have no idea what I typed up instead of just thoughts and ramblings. Not very confident. Enjoy.
Moody is probably town. There is some level of inquisitiveness and push in his town games that precedes his scumgames (or rather, what I envision his scumgames to be based on last game/hope+1). If you check how he interacts with slots this game/new world/later days of white flag, then it tends to line up fairly well? There's always expectations for this slot in later days, but town moody tends to match them with flying colors.
This is a pretty good tell for multiple people.
I think you can sort of apply this to players like Clarinet and Texas, the former which I will probably never have a confident read on due to being on different wavelengths and the latter who sucked before he had a strong continuation past page 40. But I think Clarinet's presence is more there. It's less scared than last game, and I think most people in the thread seem to agree. And I'm fine with it too.
There are certain posts Texas makes which would be like, a huge fucking step up from his game with Hal. There is inherent pushes/thoughts that remind me of Matrix 12(december 2018)'s inclusive lead of thought as opposed to the recent Matrix 14's sideline, bounce-back between a partner at hand. So I don't really know why the people that I think would agree do not. I do agree that the earlygame was a little off and it was a tad annoying having to push the gears for it to work but since then I've been like, fine?
I don't really see myself voting them, especially not today.
I think there's a dilemma with Dusk/Texas/Hal that I don't exactly see them taking the route they do if more than one of them is scum together. Especially between Hal/Dusk but this is more than obvious. These players(dusk, maybe hal specifically) get more excited at rolling scum with one another and wouldn't take these disruptive actions towards each other slots; which is why I said there was a gamestate split going forward.
apricity I think your reads are pretty good for the most part. I have no fucking idea how we differ so hard on Texas right now and that the biggest thing that worries me? There were a couple signaling things you did that I didn't understand(a few posts you liked). But we obviously had "aha" moments so lol. I guess this game you also seem more confident than I am. Connected with you earlier on though which is absolutely great but also cannot fathom your Texas read at this current point of time.
UTO: Strong logic, good analysis even if I don't particularly think some of it applies.(idt tommy even uses meta beyond his own experiences lmfao) Is probably only scum with hal, which isn't even like a nonzero world but not something I really want to believe in honestly. Notably disconnected super hard meta wise (his first (scum) game he kind of stood back and dispensed reads without a plan, his second (town)game he didn't do too much d1 but picked it up later). He's either getting coached by hal or not at all, so it's one of the things I was entertaining but something I don't like mega feel confident in believing in. Like some of hal's posts feel both extremely towny and natural from what I expect. I like both slots but UTO is either with hal or not red at all. And I don't really want to believe the former since it means I've been baited the entire game lmfao.
Hawkie: I hated his logic on Duskfall/Clarinet earlygame. There was a certain level of feist and pinpoint connect the dots (scum interaction between tommy and clarinet) that I didn't find myself vibing with just because it felt tacked onto an already stacked wagon. Maybe I was just bothered by the fact that most reads felt like it flowed with the thread. Regardless this slot is towny based on literal pure emotion but kind of whatever content wise. Wish the slot was more active but I can definitely see why they aren't lol. I can also see where they're going on Cancerous but for different reasons, but Hawkie what is your current dusk read? current clarinet read? do you not feel as strong on dusk anymore?
Energy: Probably should have voted this slot earlier to see the reaction but I don't think it works at all at this point of time. The last time this slot made literal 0 effort was lovers dance because of time reasons, but everything since that game since had like, some contribution to the game on D1. I've seen this slot do things elsewhere offsite (on discord) during this but their literal last thing onsite was their last post on the thread into insta logoff. Dunno.
Cancerous: Looked back, lowposting is natural for this slot, but intriguingly has not really committed to many reads/points of pressure as they generally do? Can't really discern if it's me just not "getting" the slot or if there's an actual nitpick here. The idler logic here is kinda wack and hasn't really vocalized pressure unlike in his previous 2 NOCs. So it's not really because of "bread and butter" but I just don't see what I think I'd see here.
TBZ: I expect a little bit more from this slot, apparently played league like 25 hours ago + is playing league right now + and has been active offsite (on discord) as well. Obviously not very super active as town either but has a little more confidence and feist in their reads as well as general presence? "he hasn't done anything though!!!!" that's the fucking point lmao check last game.
Haruno: Lol
Heal: Feistiness resembles what I'd otherwise expect from his towngame. His last scumgame I've seen (lose yo village) kind of had him hiding behind walls and tonally absent, albeit that part could be because of the playerlist this game (and in addition my fault lmao). I'm kind of fine with this slot; I actually think the earlier tell I described matches. 1. more frustration this game than usual (which is most definitely due to me) 2. have not seen scumgame live are my other notes but not that noteworthy enough to consider.
Duskfall: This one is kind of hard. I have only played with scumtommy twice and the first wasn't a real NOC and the second he agreed with DS that they wouldnt post (prolly cuz i'd beat his ass) lmao. I didn't really like his early pages. It felt extra because he tends to flail a lot as scum and his read on clarinet felt kind of garbo. Then his reads on everybody on his wagon felt kind of eh. Didn't like his reaction to being super close to L-1 as well.
Have no idea how to feel about the static wagon atp.
I'm not defending this slot. I just have no idea what to do about it and I have no like, very strong leads. I kind of just want to see a flip and move on from there but I also wish I had a better contribution than just rambling about it. I do actually think if tommy flips red he's the strongest player on his team.
I have no idea what I typed up instead of just thoughts and ramblings. Not very confident. Enjoy.
Thunder~BALLZ lmk how that aram game goes brother
don't worry about it
we can disagree on texas. it's fine. i hope i'm wrong. tbz is probably scum here and i'm going to guess that the day will end in a tbz lynch. which is fine, but i prefer going for the head of mafia teams before people who i think pose less of a threat to my win condition
texas is one of those reads where, like i said, once i start the wagon it's very hard for me to get off of it because i know that texas' play as scum varies on how he is perceived by people who he thinks have the ability to lead the lynch. so i've done zero reevaluation because i'm viewing everything that he's done so far thru the lens of "texas is scum, and he thinks hal and eli have some expectation of his game and therefore he is trying to get out of this hole that he is now in" and all his actions so far make me think "hm. this makes sense coming from scum texas in this worldview. scum texas is capable of making these posts". to be fair, a lot of actions would make me think this, and it would take a lot (like i remember reinforcements, i think) to get me off this read and honestly at this point it's just not going to happen in this game anymore barring mechanics
i can lynch tommy before texas and reevaluate at that point, but right now i am telling you that texas is scum.
how do i respond with a rolling eyes emoji
i'll be real with you this game is like the strangest game i've played in a while so i'm a little less set in a lot of things right now
what is wrong with you lmfao