Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Body press uses the Defense stat and boosts (or SpD boosts under Wonder Room), but other effects still apply as if it was the Attack stat, so you'd need to use e.g. a Choice Band to boost it further.
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Sword & Shield Battle Mechanics Research
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Do we have a list of moves that Metronome can’t call in gen 8?
It seems to be based on flag 18 in the move data (scroll right). Note that snapped moves are also uncallable in general.
Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...5seF8ohDfhOiitp2q6IHXQUIc/edit#gid=1129058739
Gamefreak apparently started to mark all the new moves around the end as false.
| Counter |
| Mimic |
| Metronome |
| Mirror Move |
| Transform |
| Struggle |
| Sketch |
| Thief |
| Snore |
| Protect |
| Destiny Bond |
| Detect |
| Endure |
| Sleep Talk |
| Mirror Coat |
| Focus Punch |
| Follow Me |
| Nature Power |
| Helping Hand |
| Trick |
| Assist |
| Snatch |
| Covet |
| Feint |
| Me First |
| Copycat |
| Switcheroo |
| Chatter |
| Wide Guard |
| Rage Powder |
| After You |
| Quick Guard |
| Quash |
| Bestow |
| Techno Blast |
| Relic Song |
| Secret Sword |
| Freeze Shock |
| Ice Burn |
| Snarl |
| V-create |
| Mat Block |
| Belch |
| Crafty Shield |
| King’s Shield |
| Diamond Storm |
| Steam Eruption |
| Hyperspace Hole |
| Spiky Shield |
| Celebrate |
| Hold Hands |
| Thousand Arrows |
| Thousand Waves |
| Light of Ruin |
| Origin Pulse |
| Precipice Blades |
| Dragon Ascent |
| Hyperspace Fury |
| Breakneck Blitz |
| Breakneck Blitz |
| All-Out Pummeling |
| All-Out Pummeling |
| Supersonic Skystrike |
| Supersonic Skystrike |
| Acid Downpour |
| Acid Downpour |
| Tectonic Rage |
| Tectonic Rage |
| Continental Crush |
| Continental Crush |
| Savage Spin-Out |
| Savage Spin-Out |
| Never-Ending Nightmare |
| Never-Ending Nightmare |
| Corkscrew Crash |
| Corkscrew Crash |
| Inferno Overdrive |
| Inferno Overdrive |
| Hydro Vortex |
| Hydro Vortex |
| Bloom Doom |
| Bloom Doom |
| Gigavolt Havoc |
| Gigavolt Havoc |
| Shattered Psyche |
| Shattered Psyche |
| Subzero Slammer |
| Subzero Slammer |
| Devastating Drake |
| Devastating Drake |
| Black Hole Eclipse |
| Black Hole Eclipse |
| Twinkle Tackle |
| Twinkle Tackle |
| Catastropika |
| Baneful Bunker |
| Spotlight |
| Instruct |
| Beak Blast |
| Sinister Arrow Raid |
| Malicious Moonsault |
| Oceanic Operetta |
| Guardian of Alola |
| Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike |
| Stoked Sparksurfer |
| Pulverizing Pancake |
| Extreme Evoboost |
| Genesis Supernova |
| Shell Trap |
| Fleur Cannon |
| Spectral Thief |
| Sunsteel Strike |
| Moongeist Beam |
| Nature’s Madness |
| 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt |
| Mind Blown |
| Plasma Fists |
| Photon Geyser |
| Light That Burns the Sky |
| Searing Sunraze Smash |
| Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom |
| Let’s Snuggle Forever |
| Splintered Stormshards |
| Clangorous Soulblaze |
| Zippy Zap |
| Splishy Splash |
| Floaty Fall |
| Pika Papow |
| Bouncy Bubble |
| Buzzy Buzz |
| Sizzly Slide |
| Glitzy Glow |
| Baddy Bad |
| Sappy Seed |
| Freezy Frost |
| Sparkly Swirl |
| Veevee Volley |
| Double Iron Bash |
| Max Guard |
| Dynamax Cannon |
| Max Flare |
| Max Flutterby |
| Max Lightning |
| Max Strike |
| Max Knuckle |
| Max Phantasm |
| Max Hailstorm |
| Max Ooze |
| Max Geyser |
| Max Airstream |
| Max Starfall |
| Max Wyrmwind |
| Max Mindstorm |
| Max Rockfall |
| Max Quake |
| Max Darkness |
| Max Overgrowth |
| Max Steelspike |
| Clangorous Soul |
| Body Press |
| Decorate |
| Drum Beating |
| Snap Trap |
| Pyro Ball |
| Behemoth Blade |
| Behemoth Bash |
| Aura Wheel |
| Breaking Swipe |
| Branch Poke |
| Overdrive |
| Apple Acid |
| Grav Apple |
| Spirit Break |
| Strange Steam |
| Life Dew |
| Obstruct |
| False Surrender |
| Meteor Assault |
| Eternabeam |
| Steel Beam |
Speaking of Metronome, Bulbapedia says Snipe Shot fails when called because of targeting the self. Anyone seen it happen?
Ok, so in regards to the above stuff, here’s a list of moves that have no native learners, but CAN be called by Metronome and aren’t “snapped” according to Serebii.
-Core Enforcer
-Tail Glow
-Dragon Hammer
-Roar of Time
-Spacial Rend
-Geomancy
-Fiery Dance
-Oblivion Wing
-Magma Storm
-Aeroblast
-Shadow Force
-Shadow Bone
-Seed Flare
-Bonemerang
-Land’s Wraith
-Shore Up
-Ice Hammer
-Crush Grip
-Head Charge
-Hold Back
-Milk Drink
-Revelation Dance
-Toxic Thread
-Lunar Dance
-Heart Swap
-Mist Ball
-Luster Purge
-Psycho Boost
-Accelerock (has animation)
Other than Accelerock, these move need to be tested to see if they have animations or not. We don’t know if these moves pull a 1.1.0 Fairy Lock and crash the game with animations on or not, so do your thing, researchers!
And no, I haven’t seen this happen.
-Core Enforcer
-Tail Glow
-Dragon Hammer
-Roar of Time
-Spacial Rend
-Geomancy
-Fiery Dance
-Oblivion Wing
-Magma Storm
-Aeroblast
-Shadow Force
-Shadow Bone
-Seed Flare
-Bonemerang
-Land’s Wraith
-Shore Up
-Ice Hammer
-Crush Grip
-Head Charge
-Hold Back
-Milk Drink
-Revelation Dance
-Toxic Thread
-Lunar Dance
-Heart Swap
-Mist Ball
-Luster Purge
-Psycho Boost
-Accelerock (has animation)
Other than Accelerock, these move need to be tested to see if they have animations or not. We don’t know if these moves pull a 1.1.0 Fairy Lock and crash the game with animations on or not, so do your thing, researchers!
Judging by the Instruct shenanigan a bit further back on this thread, they probably did this to prevent random self damage.
And no, I haven’t seen this happen.
Sleep Talk Snipe Shot fails in doubles, which I imagine is what Bulbapedia is referring to since it's another example of a move that calls another move. Sleep Talk Snipe Shot works just fine in singles.
I've seen it in a YouTube video, but I watch a lot of SwSh metronome battles on YouTube, so I couldn't point you to the specific one.
I made a fatal mistake in my breeding thanks to Showdown's implemented mechanics... When a Liquid Voice Primarina with Hyper Voice Dynamaxes, it stays as Max Strike because Max Strike is not a sound move.
Meanwhile, Showdown has Hyper Voice turn into Max Geyser. (I don't use Hyper Voice itself in the replay but it's the only sound or Water move on the set)
oh no
This needs a fixin'!
Meanwhile, Showdown has Hyper Voice turn into Max Geyser. (I don't use Hyper Voice itself in the replay but it's the only sound or Water move on the set)
oh no
This needs a fixin'!
Liquid Voice only affects sound based moves, making it different to Pixilate in a way. This, since Max Strike isn’t a sound move, Liquid Voice doesn’t change it to Water. However, Pixilate turns Max Strike into Max Starfall, due to Max Strike being Normal in type. However, Max Strike is always displayed on cart, as the displayed Max Move is based on he original type of the move(in this case Normal) Multi Attack and Weather Ball work similarly, displaying as Max Strike, but changing type to match the user’s held memory or the weather.
This begs a new question, however. What about other sound based moves, like Disarming Voice, Bug Buzz, Clanging Scales, Overdrive, and Snarl? Are they changed to Max Geyser, or stay as their base move?
There's actually 2 sets of moves that have been removed. The more known one is where the description was changed, but there are also several moves that still have their original description but is still disabled (except for Powder (by breading), all of these moves can't be learned by any Pokémon that can be transferred). The full list is here, which happens to be nearly every move you mentioned: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/new-datamine-list-of-movepool-changes.3656151/post-8283722
The only move that is missing is Accelerock, so that move need to be seen if it can be called or not.
But then again, why does Weather Ball change Max Strike into Max Geyser in the rain? I guess Weather Ball changes type before it gets changed into Max Strike, but the other type-changing effects happen afterwards or something? What happens to Silvally's Multi-Attack? If G-max Charizard uses Max Weather Ball in Sun, does it change into G-max Wildfire? If you use Electrify on G-max Toxapex does its move change into G-max Stun Shock?
I presume the game checks which damage type the move is going to deal before applying the appropriate Max Move.
So Liquid Voice does not work, unlike Pixilate, because no Max Move has the "sound" flag. If someone hacked the move data to turn them into sound moves, they should properly turn into Max Geyser.
About Electrify... that's a good question.
That's actually not quite correct. Z-Moves were not affected by passive type-changing Abilities like Pixilate, either; in the case of Max Moves, Liquid Voice still doesn't work because none of them are sound-based, but Pixilate and its ilk do. While it's dummied out and isn't actually usable, I believe we also know that Hidden Power becomes the correct Max Move and not Max Strike, which is different from Z-Moves. And beyond that, we also know from another post in this thread that Electrify turns Max Strike into Max Lightning - with Z-Moves, it would become an Electric-type Breakneck Blitz, not a Gigavolt Havoc. These are pretty minor edge cases, obviously, but I don't agree that it's "safe to assume" that the code itself is exactly the same; there aren't that many possible cases for type-changing effects like this to come up anyway, so for it to differ in three of them suggests that it was just redone entirely; what makes you think it's the same as Z-Moves at all?
Probably the fact i did not know of the hidden power and electrify interactions until 2 minutes ago :v
Max Weather Ball from G-Max Charizard in the Sun does turn into G-Max Wildfire, and Plasma Fists from Zeraora turns Toxitricity's Max Boomburst into G-Max Stun Shock. Silvally's Multi-Attack shows Max Strike in the move selection screen, but will change to its corresponding type based on Memory upon usage of the attack. So a Psychic Memory Silvally's Max Multi-Attack will be Max Mindstorm.
Teleport is -6 priority.
Magic Bounce never interacted with draining moves in the first place????
Various abilities got buffed to provide an immunity to Intimidate. If you read the OP of the thread you'd know this.
Stench works and no it won't activate on a Dynamaxed Pokemon because Dynamaxed Pokemon cannot flinch.
Read the OP.
Matleo
Banned deucer.
could some of them changed effects? Magnet pull? or others?
I asked if someone noticed something else... I red OP and only check if everything is added on it.
Those abilities and skills were tecnically already present in the game.
The only thing that changed is that they became *legally* obtainable with Home.
I have some queries re the interaction of the metronome item that boosts each conservative use of a move by 20% and Max moves:
1) Does the metronome boost apply to consecutive uses of Max moves
2) Does the "chain" of using the move carry over e.g. 3 x max rockfall, followed by a stone edge. Would the stone edge have a 60% boost or 0% boost?
1) Does the metronome boost apply to consecutive uses of Max moves
2) Does the "chain" of using the move carry over e.g. 3 x max rockfall, followed by a stone edge. Would the stone edge have a 60% boost or 0% boost?
Sorry I have seen conflicting answers online, does Shadow Force go through Max Guard? https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8nationaldexag-1077440745
Serebii says "This move acts similar to Protect and Detect but with a few changes. It does not receive reduced damage from Max Moves but blocks them entirely. It resists moves that would bypass Protect such as Phantom Force and Shadow Force. Feint damages beyond the Max Guard but does not break the guard for future uses "
Serebii says "This move acts similar to Protect and Detect but with a few changes. It does not receive reduced damage from Max Moves but blocks them entirely. It resists moves that would bypass Protect such as Phantom Force and Shadow Force. Feint damages beyond the Max Guard but does not break the guard for future uses "
Shadow Force is a snapped move, so it's impossible to know for sure with that, but Phantom Force does get blocked by Max Guard.
1) Yes
2) No
Do you think it's appropriate for National Dex to mirror the Phantom Force mechanic?
Sure, they mirror the Hidden Power Max Move implementation to things like Max Weather Ball, and I would see Phantom Force and Shadow Force as essentially identical. However, I'm not a National Dex format representative, so my opinion there is fairly irrelevant. This thread is for mechanics in the actual games, not a fan-mod.
Forgive me if this has been answered. Right now I believe on Showdown if an unburden mon loses their Item, then gains an item via Thief for example, they lose the speed boost. Is this mechanic correct?