AG Choice Kyogre [QC 2/2] [GP 1/1] [DONE]

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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre's damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed Pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin Pulse is a secondary STAB option for use when Kyogre has been weakened by entry hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key KOs, notably missing the OHKO on Zacian-C, but it is still potent. Thunder, with its perfect accuracy under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice Beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C, and Mega Rayquaza, all of which are very common in the metagame, and deals chip damage to Primal Groudon. Choice Scarf with a Timid nature enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame. Kyogre is capable of utilizing Dynamax to break through many common Pokemon that have switched into one of its coverage moves; for example, it can use Max Hailstorm to break through Primal Groudon that switched into any of Thunder, Origin Pulse, and Water Spout, Max Lightning to break Arceus-Water that switched into any of Ice Beam, Origin Pulse, and Water Spout, or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that have switched into Ice Beam. The added bulk also lets it tank attacks like Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades, Mega Rayquaza's Dragon Ascent, and Zacian-C's Wild Charge if healthy.

Ideal teammates for Choice Scarf Kyogre are Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C that can easily deal with Primal Groudon, as well as checking Mega Rayquaza, and Pokemon such as Mega Rayquaza, Zacian-C, and Mega Gengar to remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Primal Groudon, which is a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate owing to its ability to stack Spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Primal Groudon to switch in, and its ability to Imposter proof Kyogre, even if Ditto Dynamaxes.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs Wallbreaker
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Kyogre is a fearsome wallbreaker in AG capable of OHKOing almost any Pokemon that doesn’t resist its full power Water Spout. Water Spout notably always 2HKOes Ferrothorn, even if it uses Protect once. Even if opposing Pokemon resist Water Spout, unless they are Primal Groudon, they will still likely take massive damage. Due to this, many teams are reliant on prediction to minimize losses to this set; with correct prediction, it will break through almost any team. Origin Pulse is for when Kyogre has taken sufficient damage to make it do more damage than Water Spout, but is still very powerful in general, OHKOing non-resistant support Arceus formes after Stealth Rock. This set is capable of breaking through several of the usual Kyogre checks, such as Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Chansey. Choice Specs also enables it to deal heavy damage to Primal Groudon with Ice Beam, making it incapable of switching in with Stealth Rock up. Ice Beam also allows Kyogre to severely damage or outright OHKO common Dragon-types, such as Eternatus, Mega Rayquaza, and Zygarde-C. Thunder enables Kyogre to deal heavy damage to opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, although it can usually break through them with Water Spout anyway. A Timid nature is preferred to outspeed Modest Yveltal and Xerneas before they can retaliate or, in Xerneas's case, use Geomancy and Speed tie with opposing Kyogre; however, a Modest nature can be used for the extra firepower, which is situationally helpful to break past Primal Groudon and Chansey more easily. Kyogre is able to utilize Dynamax to break through switch-ins, even if you mispredict and select the wrong coverage move. For example, Kyogre can use Max Hailstorm to break or heavily chip Primal Groudon that switches in on a Water-type move or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that switches into Ice Beam, although Dynamaxing does remove a significant amount of Kyogre's firepower. Importantly, it also gives Kyogre the bulk to tank their attacks. Dynamaxing should often be used early-game in order to break the opponent's Primal Groudon if it necessary to do so.

Ideal teammates for Choice Specs Kyogre are Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C that can easily deal with Primal Groudon and help deal with Mega Rayquaza. Zygarde-C in particular is useful for its ability to spread paralysis with Glare, making opposing teams easier prey for Kyogre. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Primal Groudon, which is a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre, while also forcing out Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate owing to its ability to stack Spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Primal Groudon to switch in. Ferrothorn also has the ability to Imposter proof Kyogre, even if Ditto Dynamaxes.

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This is my first analysis so I’m fully ready to be sent back to WIP here, but I think this may be ready for QC.
 
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[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Kyogre is a powerful offensive threat in the AG metagame owing to its strong special attack, access to water spout, and boosting weather ability. this wouldn't be the main set so you don't have to go over this type of stuff Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zygarde-50 and ice beam takes care of this Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its mediocre 70% accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogres and Kyogre-Primals not necessary to distinguish and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Owing to the threat of paralysis, it is often risky to switch pokemon that are not outright immune to Thunder in on it. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage pokemon such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame. The Choice Scarf enables Kyogre to hit an extremely high speed of 459, and overselling outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame, rendering it exceptionally difficult to revenge kill without immunities or fast scarfers overselling.

teammates should go in a new paragraph
Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking the priority users that threaten Mega Rayquaza for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Gothitelle or Mega Rayquaza, Zacian-C, and the emphasis should be on wallbreakers more than trappers, as scarf ogre isn't very strong by itself Gengar-Mega to pressure or remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily.

Kyogre’s utility is significantly hampered by the fact that it is easily checked by one of the most common pokemon in the tier, Groudon-Primal. Groudon-Primal can safely switch into any of Kyogre’s attacks, and then force it out or use it as a setup opportunity. It also struggles to break through the common defensive pokemon, Ferrothorn, as well as dynamaxed pokemon. no need to explain its checks/counters Kyogre is a suboptimal dynamax abuser, owing to the fact that it loses its choice scarf boost on dynamaxing, rendering it vulnerable to a plethora of faster pokemon, such as Eternatus, Zacian-C, and Rayquaza-Mega. idt this is true; on the contrary, dynamax helps you bulk attacks from these mons & ohko them in return

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Implement this and I'll take a second look before stamping.
 
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[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Kyogre is a powerful offensive threat in the AG metagame owing to its strong special attack, access to water spout, and boosting weather ability. this wouldn't be the main set so you don't have to go over this type of stuff Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zygarde-50 and ice beam takes care of this Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its mediocre 70% accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogres and Kyogre-Primals not necessary to distinguish and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Owing to the threat of paralysis, it is often risky to switch pokemon that are not outright immune to Thunder in on it. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage pokemon such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame. The Choice Scarf enables Kyogre to hit an extremely high speed of 459, and overselling outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame, rendering it exceptionally difficult to revenge kill without immunities or fast scarfers overselling.

teammates should go in a new paragraph
Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking the priority users that threaten Mega Rayquaza for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Gothitelle or Mega Rayquaza, Zacian-C, and the emphasis should be on wallbreakers more than trappers, as scarf ogre isn't very strong by itself Gengar-Mega to pressure or remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily.

Kyogre’s utility is significantly hampered by the fact that it is easily checked by one of the most common pokemon in the tier, Groudon-Primal. Groudon-Primal can safely switch into any of Kyogre’s attacks, and then force it out or use it as a setup opportunity. It also struggles to break through the common defensive pokemon, Ferrothorn, as well as dynamaxed pokemon. no need to explain its checks/counters Kyogre is a suboptimal dynamax abuser, owing to the fact that it loses its choice scarf boost on dynamaxing, rendering it vulnerable to a plethora of faster pokemon, such as Eternatus, Zacian-C, and Rayquaza-Mega. idt this is true; on the contrary, dynamax helps you bulk attacks from these mons & ohko them in return

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Implemented, I think. I may have missed something, though, since I was watching the match between pichus and ktut while implementing it.
 
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[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage pokemon Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame. The Choice Scarf enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame.

Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega to remove or pressure sorry about undoing my earlier change Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily.

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- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
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[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage pokemon Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame. The Choice Scarf enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame.

Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega to remove or pressure sorry about undoing my earlier change Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily.

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- Written by: [[BananaLaddersPS, 426798]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
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BananaLaddersPS said:
[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame, while chipping down Primal Groudon, especially on the switch in. It also allows Kyogre to potentially break through Primal Groudon by using Max Hailstorm. The Choice Scarf enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame. I'd potentially comment on kyogre's dynamax potential - can break through pdon so it can break the team or it can punish players even after they make the right switch inby dynamaxing and swapping to the relevant coverage move etc (hailstorm don, lightning the waterceus after a spout)

Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega to remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily. Zacian cores very well due to the fact that both can whittle down a shared check; primal groudon. Zacian also switches in comfortably and forces out Ferrothorn while kyogre does the same to ndm. Another minor benefit is that rain massively cuts ndm's healing capacity - you can attack it on the switch and then go kyogre, this will mean NDM will have sub 80% hp and so kyogre will force ndm out and if zacian comes in again it can immensely pressure - ndm no longer safetly switches in.
Additionally, Ferrothorn is a great teammate due to its ability to stack spikes (so u chip don) and improof a ditto kyogre (even after it dynamaxes). kyogre switches into hooh and with dynamax or prediction can muscle past pdon

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You should write up specs kyogre too (if you're willing to) the QC team has decided it's worth an analysis too.
Great work, QC 1.25/2 (PM me after you get specs ogre done if you do decide to and I can QC that too and someone else can finish it off)



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BananaLaddersPS said:
SET]
name: Specs Breaker
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Kyogre is a fearsome breaker in the AG metagame, capable of ohkoing almost any pokemon that doesn’t resist it with Water Spout while healthy and under rain. Even if opposing Pokemon resist Water Spout, unless they have an immunity, they will still likely take massive damage, provided that rain is intact. (Might be worth saying this:) Due to this, many teams are reliant on prediction to minimise losses to this set, and so with correct prediction it will break through almost any team. Origin Pulse is a weaker option for when Kyogre has taken sufficient damage to make it do more damage than Water Spout, but is still very powerful, KOing support arceus formes after Stealth rock dmg. This set is capable of breaking through several of the usual Kyogre checks, such as Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Chansey. The Choice Specs also enable it to deal heavy damage to Groudon-Primal with Ice Beam, making it incapable of switching in with stealth rock up. Ice Beam also allows Kyogre to severely damage or outright ohko common dragon-types, such as Eternatus, Rayquaza-Mega, and Zygarde-Complete, making them risky switchins. Thunder enables Kyogre to deal heavy damage to opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water. Kyogre is able to utilize dynamax to break through switchins, even if you misspredict by clicking the wrong coverage move, using Max Hailstorm to break weakened Groudon-Primal, or heavily chip it in order to prevent it later switching in, max lightning to KO waterceus etc or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C, although dynamaxing does remove a significant amount of Kyogre’s firepower. Dynamaxing should generally be used early to remove the main kyogre check of the team - usually primal groudon in order for kyogre to easily break through later on.

Ideal teammates for Specs Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, and can help deal with Mega Rayquaza. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal, as it’s a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre, while also forcing out ferrothorn. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate, owing to its ability to stack spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal to switch in, and its ferrothorn has the ability to improof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes.

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Great work, QC 2/2 for scarf, 1/2 for specs
 
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ice-master-523 said:
You should write up specs kyogre too (if you're willing to) the QC team has decided it's worth an analysis too.
Great work, QC 1.25/2 (PM me after you get specs ogre done if you do decide to and I can QC that too and someone else can finish it off)



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Great work, QC 2/2 for scarf, 1/2 for specs
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[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame, and dealing chip damage to Groudon-Primal. Ice beam also enable Kyogre to potentially break a weakened Groudon-Primal using max hailstorm. moved The Choice Scarf with a Timid nature enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame. Kyogre is capable of utilizing dynamax to break through many common Pokemon that may have switched into one of its coverage moves, such as using Max Hailstorm to break through Primal Groudon, max lightning to break waterceus, or using max geyser to break Zacian-C that may have switched into Ice Beam. The added bulk also lets it tank attacks like Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades, Mega Rayquaza's Dragon Ascent, and Zacian-C's Wild Charge if healthy.

Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega to remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal, as it’s a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate, owing to its ability to stack spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal to switch in, and its ability to improof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes.

[SET]
name: Specs Breaker
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Kyogre is a fearsome breaker in the AG metagame, capable of ohkoing almost any pokemon that doesn’t resist it with Water Spout while healthy and under rain. It notably always 2HKOes Ferrothorn, even if it uses Protect once. Even if opposing Pokemon resist Water Spout, unless they have an immunity are Primal Groudon, they will still likely take massive damage, provided that rain is intact it does a lot of damage to mray too. Due to this, many teams are reliant on prediction to minimise losses to this set, and so with correct prediction it will break through almost any team. Origin Pulse is a weaker option for when Kyogre has taken sufficient damage to make it do more damage than Water Spout, but is still very powerful, OHKOing non-resistant support Arceus formes after stealth rock. This set is capable of breaking through several of the usual Kyogre checks, such as Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Chansey. The Choice Specs also enable it to deal heavy damage to Groudon-Primal with Ice Beam, making it incapable of switching in with stealth rock up. Ice Beam also allows Kyogre to severely damage or outright ohko common dragon-types, such as Eternatus, Rayquaza-Mega, and Zygarde-Complete, making them risky switchins even without ice beam they're risky switchins. Thunder enables Kyogre to deal heavy damage to opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, although it can usually break through them with Water Spout anyway. A Timid nature is preferred to outspeed Modest Yveltal and Xerneas before they can retaliate or use Geomancy and to Speed tie with opposing Kyogre; however, a Modest nature can be used for the extra firepower, which is situationally helpful to break past Primal Groudon and Chansey more easily. Kyogre is able to utilize dynamax to break through switchins, even if you mispredict and select the wrong coverage move, using Max Hailstorm to break or heavily chip weakened Groudon-Primal that switches in on a Water-type move, Max Lightning to break Waterceus, or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that switches into Ice Beam, although dynamaxing does remove a significant amount of Kyogre’s firepower. Importantly, it also gives Kyogre the bulk to tank their attacks. Dynamaxing should often be used early in the game, in order to break the opponent’s Kyogre check, often will not help you break ferro Groudon-Primal if it is necessary to do so.

Ideal teammates for Specs Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, and help deal with Rayquaza-Mega. Zygarde-C, in particular, can use Glare to allow Kyogre to prey on more targets. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal, as it’s a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre, while also forcing our Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate, owing to its ability to stack spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal to switch in. Ferrothorn also has the ability to improof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes.

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[SET]
name: Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse is a secondary STAB option, for use when kyogre has been weakened by hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills, notably missing the ohko on Zacian-C, but is still potent. Thunder, with its accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C and Rayquaza-Mega, all of which are very common in the metagame, and dealing chip damage to Groudon-Primal. Ice beam also enable Kyogre to potentially break a weakened Groudon-Primal using max hailstorm. moved The Choice Scarf with a Timid nature enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame. Kyogre is capable of utilizing dynamax to break through many common Pokemon that may have switched into one of its coverage moves, such as using Max Hailstorm to break through Primal Groudon, max lightning to break waterceus, or using max geyser to break Zacian-C that may have switched into Ice Beam. The added bulk also lets it tank attacks like Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades, Mega Rayquaza's Dragon Ascent, and Zacian-C's Wild Charge if healthy.

Ideal teammates for Scarf Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre, and pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega to remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal, as it’s a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate, owing to its ability to stack spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal to switch in, and its ability to improof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes.

[SET]
name: Specs Breaker
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Kyogre is a fearsome breaker in the AG metagame, capable of ohkoing almost any pokemon that doesn’t resist it with Water Spout while healthy and under rain. It notably always 2HKOes Ferrothorn, even if it uses Protect once. Even if opposing Pokemon resist Water Spout, unless they have an immunity are Primal Groudon, they will still likely take massive damage, provided that rain is intact it does a lot of damage to mray too. Due to this, many teams are reliant on prediction to minimise losses to this set, and so with correct prediction it will break through almost any team. Origin Pulse is a weaker option for when Kyogre has taken sufficient damage to make it do more damage than Water Spout, but is still very powerful, OHKOing non-resistant support Arceus formes after stealth rock. This set is capable of breaking through several of the usual Kyogre checks, such as Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Chansey. The Choice Specs also enable it to deal heavy damage to Groudon-Primal with Ice Beam, making it incapable of switching in with stealth rock up. Ice Beam also allows Kyogre to severely damage or outright ohko common dragon-types, such as Eternatus, Rayquaza-Mega, and Zygarde-Complete, making them risky switchins even without ice beam they're risky switchins. Thunder enables Kyogre to deal heavy damage to opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, although it can usually break through them with Water Spout anyway. A Timid nature is preferred to outspeed Modest Yveltal and Xerneas before they can retaliate or use Geomancy and to Speed tie with opposing Kyogre; however, a Modest nature can be used for the extra firepower, which is situationally helpful to break past Primal Groudon and Chansey more easily. Kyogre is able to utilize dynamax to break through switchins, even if you mispredict and select the wrong coverage move, using Max Hailstorm to break or heavily chip weakened Groudon-Primal that switches in on a Water-type move, Max Lightning to break Waterceus, or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that switches into Ice Beam, although dynamaxing does remove a significant amount of Kyogre’s firepower. Importantly, it also gives Kyogre the bulk to tank their attacks. Dynamaxing should often be used early in the game, in order to break the opponent’s Kyogre check, often will not help you break ferro Groudon-Primal if it is necessary to do so.

Ideal teammates for Specs Kyogre are pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C, that can deal with Groudon-Primal easily, and help deal with Rayquaza-Mega. Zygarde-C, in particular, can use Glare to allow Kyogre to prey on more targets. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal, as it’s a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre, while also forcing our Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate, owing to its ability to stack spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal to switch in. Ferrothorn also has the ability to improof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[BananaLaddersPS, 426798]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [ice-master-523, 464176]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s Kyogre's damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon Pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse Pulse is a secondary STAB option (RC) for use when kyogre Kyogre has been weakened by entry hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills KOs, notably missing the ohko OHKO on Zacian-C, but it is still potent. Thunder, with its perfect accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam Beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C,(AC) and Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza, all of which are very common in the metagame, and dealing deals chip damage to Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon. The Choice Scarf with a timid Timid nature enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame. Kyogre is capable of utilizing dynamax Dynamax to break through many common Pokemon that may have switched into one of its coverage moves;(comma -> semicolon) such as using max hailstorm for example, it can use Max Hailstorm to break through Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, max lightning Max Lightning to break waterceus Arceus-Water, or using max geyser Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that may have switched into Ice Beam.(I'm almost certain the "switched into Ice Beam" portion only applies to Zacian-C, so you may want to clarify after both Primal Groudon and Arceus-Water what move they are switching into) The added bulk also lets it tank attacks like Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades, Mega Rayquaza's Dragon Ascent, and Zacian-C's Wild Charge if healthy.

Ideal teammates for Choice Scarf Kyogre are pokemon Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C (RC) that can easily deal with Groudon-Primal easily Primal Groudon, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre Mega Rayquaza, and pokemon Pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega and Mega Gengar to remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, as it’s which is a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate (RC) owing to its ability to stack spikes Spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon to switch in, and its ability to improof Imposter proof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes Dynamaxes.

[SET]
name: Specs Breaker Choice Specs Wallbreaker
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Kyogre is a fearsome breaker wallbreaker in the AG metagame (RC) capable of ohkoing OHKOing almost any pokemon Pokemon that doesn’t resist it with its full power Water Spout while healthy and under rain. It Water Spout notably always 2HKOes Ferrothorn, even if it uses Protect once. Even if opposing Pokemon resist Water Spout, unless they are Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, they will still likely take massive damage. Due to this, many teams are reliant on prediction to minimise minimize losses to this set;(comma -> semicolon) and so with correct prediction,(AC) it will break through almost any team. Origin Pulse is a weaker option (this seems irrelevant for the context in which you would actually use the move) for when Kyogre has taken sufficient damage to make it do more damage than Water Spout, but is still very powerful in general, OHKOing non-resistant support Arceus formes after stealth rock Stealth Rock. This set is capable of breaking through several of the usual Kyogre checks, such as Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Chansey. The Choice Specs also enable enables it to deal heavy damage to Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon with Ice Beam, making it incapable of switching in with stealth rock Stealth Rock up. Ice Beam also allows Kyogre to severely damage or outright ohko OHKO common dragon-types Dragon-types, such as Eternatus, Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza, and Zygarde-Complete Zygarde-C. Thunder enables Kyogre to deal heavy damage to opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, although it can usually break through them with Water Spout anyway. A Timid nature is preferred to outspeed Modest Yveltal and Xerneas before they can retaliate or,(AC) in Xerneas's case,(AC) use Geomancy and to Speed tie with opposing Kyogre; however, a Modest nature can be used for the extra firepower, which is situationally helpful to break past Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon and Chansey more easily. Kyogre is able to utilize dynamax Dynamax to break through switch-ins(AH), even if you mispredict and select the wrong coverage move.(comma -> period) using For example, Kyogre can use Max Hailstorm to break or heavily chip weakened Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon that switches in on a water-type Water-type move (RC) or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that switches into Ice beam Beam, although dynamaxing Dynamaxing does remove a significant amount of Kyogre’s Kyogre's firepower. Importantly, it also gives Kyogre the bulk to tank their attacks. Dynamaxing should often be used early in the game (RC) early-game in order to break the opponent’s Groudon-Primal (RC) opponent's Primal Groudon if it necessary to do so.

Ideal teammates for Choice Specs Kyogre are pokemon Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C (RC) that can easily deal with Groudon-Primal easily (RC) Primal Groudon and help deal with Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza. Zygarde-C (RC) in particular (RC) is useful for its ability to spread paralysis with glare Glare, making opposing teams easier prey for Kyogre. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, as it’s which is a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre, while also forcing our out Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate (RC) owing to its ability to stack spikes Spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon to switch in. Ferrothorn also has the ability to improof Imposter proof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes Dynamaxes.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[BananaLaddersPS, 426798]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [ice-master-523, 464176]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
overall the writing here is fine enough, but there are several careless typos that I'd like for you to avoid in the future, such as not capitalizing the names of moves, the word Pokemon, and other words like "OHKO". additionally, make sure to not use the curly apostrophe; it'll upset the smogdex if you do.

gp 1/1 when done. use the method here to properly implement the check
 
Rabia said:
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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf Cleaner
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Water Spout is the primary source of Kyogre’s Kyogre's damage output, OHKOing almost any non-Dynamaxed pokemon Pokemon that doesn’t resist it while Kyogre is healthy and rain is in effect. Origin pulse Pulse is a secondary STAB option (RC) for use when kyogre Kyogre has been weakened by entry hazards or opposing attacks. Owing to its weaker power, it is less likely to get key kills KOs, notably missing the ohko OHKO on Zacian-C, but it is still potent. Thunder, with its perfect accuracy boosted to 100% under rain, enables Kyogre to take on opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, dealing heavy damage and threatening paralysis. Ice beam Beam enables Kyogre to OHKO or heavily damage Dragon-types such as Eternatus, Zygarde-C,(AC) and Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza, all of which are very common in the metagame, and dealing deals chip damage to Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon. The Choice Scarf with a timid Timid nature enables Kyogre to outspeed almost the entire unboosted metagame. Kyogre is capable of utilizing dynamax Dynamax to break through many common Pokemon that may have switched into one of its coverage moves;(comma -> semicolon) such as using max hailstorm for example, it can use Max Hailstorm to break through Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, max lightning Max Lightning to break waterceus Arceus-Water, or using max geyser Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that may have switched into Ice Beam.(I'm almost certain the "switched into Ice Beam" portion only applies to Zacian-C, so you may want to clarify after both Primal Groudon and Arceus-Water what move they are switching into) The added bulk also lets it tank attacks like Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades, Mega Rayquaza's Dragon Ascent, and Zacian-C's Wild Charge if healthy.

Ideal teammates for Choice Scarf Kyogre are pokemon Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C (RC) that can easily deal with Groudon-Primal easily Primal Groudon, as well as checking Rayquaza-Mega for Kyogre Mega Rayquaza, and pokemon Pokemon such as Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza, Zacian-C, or Gengar-Mega and Mega Gengar to remove Ferrothorn and allow Kyogre to clean more easily. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, as it’s which is a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate (RC) owing to its ability to stack spikes Spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon to switch in, and its ability to improof Imposter proof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes Dynamaxes.

[SET]
name: Specs Breaker Choice Specs Wallbreaker
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Origin Pulse
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Drizzle
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 Spa / 4 Spd / 252 Spe 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Kyogre is a fearsome breaker wallbreaker in the AG metagame (RC) capable of ohkoing OHKOing almost any pokemon Pokemon that doesn’t resist it with its full power Water Spout while healthy and under rain. It Water Spout notably always 2HKOes Ferrothorn, even if it uses Protect once. Even if opposing Pokemon resist Water Spout, unless they are Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, they will still likely take massive damage. Due to this, many teams are reliant on prediction to minimise minimize losses to this set;(comma -> semicolon) and so with correct prediction,(AC) it will break through almost any team. Origin Pulse is a weaker option (this seems irrelevant for the context in which you would actually use the move) for when Kyogre has taken sufficient damage to make it do more damage than Water Spout, but is still very powerful in general, OHKOing non-resistant support Arceus formes after stealth rock Stealth Rock. This set is capable of breaking through several of the usual Kyogre checks, such as Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Chansey. The Choice Specs also enable enables it to deal heavy damage to Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon with Ice Beam, making it incapable of switching in with stealth rock Stealth Rock up. Ice Beam also allows Kyogre to severely damage or outright ohko OHKO common dragon-types Dragon-types, such as Eternatus, Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza, and Zygarde-Complete Zygarde-C. Thunder enables Kyogre to deal heavy damage to opposing Kyogre and Arceus-Water, although it can usually break through them with Water Spout anyway. A Timid nature is preferred to outspeed Modest Yveltal and Xerneas before they can retaliate or,(AC) in Xerneas's case,(AC) use Geomancy and to Speed tie with opposing Kyogre; however, a Modest nature can be used for the extra firepower, which is situationally helpful to break past Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon and Chansey more easily. Kyogre is able to utilize dynamax Dynamax to break through switch-ins(AH), even if you mispredict and select the wrong coverage move.(comma -> period) using For example, Kyogre can use Max Hailstorm to break or heavily chip weakened Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon that switches in on a water-type Water-type move (RC) or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that switches into Ice beam Beam, although dynamaxing Dynamaxing does remove a significant amount of Kyogre’s Kyogre's firepower. Importantly, it also gives Kyogre the bulk to tank their attacks. Dynamaxing should often be used early in the game (RC) early-game in order to break the opponent’s Groudon-Primal (RC) opponent's Primal Groudon if it necessary to do so.

Ideal teammates for Choice Specs Kyogre are pokemon Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground and defensive Zygarde-C (RC) that can easily deal with Groudon-Primal easily (RC) Primal Groudon and help deal with Rayquaza-Mega Mega Rayquaza. Zygarde-C (RC) in particular (RC) is useful for its ability to spread paralysis with glare Glare, making opposing teams easier prey for Kyogre. Zacian-C is also useful because it can wear down opposing Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon, as it’s which is a shared check between Zacian-C and Kyogre, while also forcing our out Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn is also an effective teammate (RC) owing to its ability to stack spikes Spikes, making it increasingly difficult for Groudon-Primal Primal Groudon to switch in. Ferrothorn also has the ability to improof Imposter proof Kyogre, even if Ditto dynamaxes Dynamaxes.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[BananaLaddersPS, 426798]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [ice-master-523, 464176]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
overall the writing here is fine enough, but there are several careless typos that I'd like for you to avoid in the future, such as not capitalizing the names of moves, the word Pokemon, and other words like "OHKO". additionally, make sure to not use the curly apostrophe; it'll upset the smogdex if you do.

gp 1/1 when done. use the method here to properly implement the check
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Implemented! Sorry about the curly apostrophes, that’s what happens from writing on mobile I guess. Can you take a last look at my clarification of pokemon switching into coverage moves? It feels a little clunky. Thanks!
 
BananaLaddersPS said:
Implemented! Sorry about the curly apostrophes, that’s what happens from writing on mobile I guess. Can you take a last look at my clarification of pokemon switching into coverage moves? It feels a little clunky. Thanks!
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Kyogre is capable of utilizing Dynamax to break through many common Pokemon that have switched into one of its coverage moves; for example, it can use Max Hailstorm to break through Primal Groudon that switched into any of Thunder, Origin Pulse, or and Water Spout, Max Lightning to break Arceus-Water that switched into any of Ice Beam, Origin Pulse, or and Water Spout, or Max Geyser to break Zacian-C that have switched into Ice Beam.
 
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