Manectric [QC: 0/2]

[BulbaBrain]

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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Volt Switch
move 3: Overheat / Flamethrower
move 4: Switcheroo
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Lightning Rod
nature: Timid Nature
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Manectric is one of the best speed controlling Pokemon in PU due to its high speed and decent special attack. However, it faces other competition from other scarfers like Mr. Mime, Thwackey, Mr. Rime, because these have a more wide-range movepool, a more offensive typing or a synergetic ability in Grassy Terrain at their disposal. Either one of Flamethrower or Overheat is run on Manectric, where Overheat is preferred mainly because it has a higher base power, although Overheat's special attack drop makes it inconsistent, especially in the endgame and unspammable, contrast to Flamethrower. Switcheroo allows Manectric to give slow, defensive Pokemon such as Throh or Stunfisk a Choice Scarf, which hinders their ability to stay in and click various buttons. Manectric can also use Switcheroo on defensive eviolite users such as Type: Null and Dusclops to take away much of their boosted bulk.

Manectric baits out Lightning Rod users such as the opposing Manectric, Raichu and Pincurchin, as they can help absorb Manectric's Volt Switch. All Ground types are checks to all of the Lightning Rod users, whereas counters for Raichu and Manectric are Pokemon such as Roselia and Vibrava respectively. Manectric also brings in Ground types, Dragon types, and specially bulky Pokemon such as Palpitoad, Fraxure, and Throh. The prior two can be dealt with easily by Freeze-Dry users such as Glaceon, Mr. Rime, or Mr. Mime-Galar. Specially Defensive Pokemon are usually dealt with threatening physical wallbreakers such as Silvally and Fraxure. Voltturn with Manectric is definitely appreciated on any team, so a U-turn user such as Vespiquen, Silvally or Farfetch'd is a preferable partner for Manectric.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Volt Switch
move 3: Flamethrower / Overheat
move 4: Switcheroo / Hyper Voice
item: Choice Specs
ability: Lightning Rod
nature: Timid Nature
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
The Choice Specs Manectric set takes advantage of its high Special Attack stat and turns Manectric into one of the most powerful and threatening special wallbreakers in the tier. The set also takes advantage of Manectric's great speed tier which makes it a fearsome wallbreaker and one of the best revenge killers in the current meta. Flamethrower or Overheat is run as Manectric's specially offensive coverage move. Usually, Overheat is opted over Flamethrower as it hits incredibly hard with Choice Specs, although it does encourage Manectric to be functioned as a hit and run type Pokemon. Switcheroo allows Manectric to give some support Pokemon such as Dusclops and Type: Null a Choice Specs, which they do not really appreciate. Hyper Voice allows Manectric to 3HKO Palpitoad - which resists its Electric-Fire coverage - and even 2HKO Palpitoad once it gets chipped down to 75%.

Specs Manectric works extremely well alongside slow u-turners/volt switchers/teleporters such as Vespiquen, Vibrava and Beheeyem as they can give Manectric nice momentum and a good amount of chances to get kills or wallbreak. Manectric also heavily beats out the Water, Grass and Bug types because of its coverage. This means that Ground, Psychic and Rock types benefit quite heavily from Manectric's removal of these Pokemon. Stunfisk, Beheeyem and Stonjourner are just some mentions of these Pokemon. Manectric, Teleport Beheeyem and scarfed Stonjourner especially can make a great core as they cover each other's weaknesses really well, and Beheeyem is one of the best pivots into the tier which can switch into two extremely hard hitters in this core. Specs Manectric, however, needs help dealing with Ground types, especially Palpitoad. This makes Grass types such as Roselia or Gourgeist quite good partners. Dragon types that resist its dual stab such as Vibrava are hard for Manectric to deal with without considerable chip damage, so Ice types are quite good partners. Freeze Dry users for Palpitoad help as well. These Pokemon are pokemon like Lapras, Glaceon, Mr. Rime or Mr. Mime-G. Manectric is also vulnerable to faster Pokemon - namely Rapidash-G and Raichu. Scarfed Stonjourner can deal with all non-scarfed variants of these two Pokemon on a free switch-in. Roselia and Shiinotic are good Raichu answers.

[SET]
name: Offensive Support - Toxtect
move 1: Thunderbolt/Volt Switch
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Flamethrower
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Lightning Rod
nature: Timid Nature
evs: 252 SpA/ 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
This Mane set that lets you cripple what would otherwise be extremely safe and consistent switch-ins to Manectric, such as Palpitoad, Seaking or Vibrava, while still functioning as a fast revenge killer that provides an electric immunity and generates momentum as well. Protect also allows the player to scout out coverage from obscure switchins that the opponent makes, which is helpful as it can uncover different sets and whether or not an opposing Pokemon is an unexpected threat to one of the player's Pokemon.

Manectric pairs nicely with strong Pokemon that benefit from the crippling of the opposing team. Pokemon such as G-Rapidash, Stonjourner, Golurk, Mr. Rime, Glaceon and Heatmor fit into these categories. The reason for this is because they are wallbreakers that often require some chip damage on the opposing team in order to sweep and kill, Toxic damage and the occasional Thunderbolt/Flamethrower is usually enough damage for the above Pokemon to break through most walls in the tier. These said Pokemon can also benefit from the fast pivoting of Manectric if one decides to run Volt Switch. Manectric loses to other fast scarfers or wallbreakers such as Stonjourner on the free switch and Mr. Mime. Physically Defensive Vibrava and Palpitoad are some switchins to Stonjourner, while Type: Null and Support Mr. Rime are some Mr. Mime switchins.

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[rien]

hi, consider putting this analysis back into wip. as of now, most portions are either extremely basic or flat out wrong, and it's not ready for a qc check just yet. since this is your very first analysis and i know you're highly motivated, i do want to give you the chance to improve upon what's here, so i will point the most glaring issues with it. in addition to going over these comments, make sure to give the C&C Guide To Writing a very thorough read, particulaly the basic things to consider, overview, moves, set details, and team options sections.

we have also decided that choice specs will not recieve a dedicated analysis, so make sure to remove it. therefore, the majority of my comments will focus on the scarf and toxtect sets.

Manectric is a one of the fastest Pokemon in the tier with a high special attack stat. This set makes perfect use of this speed, being arguably the best speed controlling Pokemon in PU. Being fully speed invested means that it outspeeds all of the fast threats, even if they are scarfed, except Scarfed Raichu, and Rapidash-G, which comes down to a speed tie. This speed means that it can reliably click volt switch and deal chip damage to the whole opposing team without getting damaged, and reliably pivot into another Pokemon.

this starts off fine, specifying right away that mane is fast and decently powerful, but then the part about it being "the best speed controlling Pokemon in PU" is not only not true as it faces tons of competition from other choice scarf users and priority users, but even if it was true i'd generally refrain from making such definitive comments about a pokemon because the meta is so volatile and this can prove to be completely false in a month. the next part about being fully speed invested is like, yeah duh? it's a choice scarf user of course it's going to be fully speed invested at all times. the last sentence here is by far the most problematic, as it's just flat out wrong; there are just so many mons that can switch into predicted volt very safely during the match, like paliptoad, bibrava, stunfisk, seaking, pincurchin, and even raichu and opposing mane. saying it presses volt for free and and does it very reliably is just flat out misleading.

it's also not only about what's here, but also about what's missing; what actually makes mane a viable choice scarf user besides just its base stats, which aren't always the best indicator of a mon being viable? why aren't there any parallels drawn to its main competition in raichu, and why it's specifically a better choice scarf user? what are mane's limitations and drawbacks? what should i not expect it to do?

Thunderbolt is just the most powerful STAB attack that isn't a unreliable Thunder. Flamethrower is the best coverage option except for Overheat, but as scarfed variants of Manectric tend to stay in, it is preferred that the special attack stat is not dropped. Switcheroo allows Manectric to cripple Pokemon with a reliance on their items, especially eviolite users.

this section tells me very little that's actually useful about mane's moveset. thunderbolt is one of those things that are just extremely obvious and need no explanation whatsoever, there's no explanation at all as to what overheat/flamethrower hit and in what scenarios you would prefer either (also, overheat is generally preferred as it really needs the extra power and it doesn't really stay in for more than two turns at a time, during which overheat does more collateral damage than flamethrower anyway), and the point about switcheroo gets completely lost bc there are no explanation whatsoever as to how you should use it; what kind of eviolite users am i trying to use it against? is it dragon dance fraxure, hex drakloak, or something else entirely? would i only want to use it against eviolite users or some other important targets too?

Manectric surprisingly does not have to always work as a glass cannon. It can have a bit of support with Toxic Protect, chipping away at the opponent while revealing different sets. Thunderbolt and Flamethrower spam can work very well late game, but Thunderbolt can be replaced with Volt Switch if one wants to pivot around mid-game.

this overview completely misses out on explaining why you would ever want to use toxtect mane, and frankly, it makes me question if you've ever used this set to begin with. the idea behind toxtect mane is that it lets you cripple what would otherwise be extremely safe and consistent switch-ins, such as palpitoad, seaking, vibrava, etc while still doing many of the things that mane usually does, such as providing an electric immunity, generating momentum, and situationally revenge killing stuff.

Manectric baits out Lightning Rod users (Manectric and Raichu) as they can help absorb the constant Volt Switching. Type: Null and Palpitoad benefit a lot from this as they usually switch in quite safely to at least one of the two.

Manectric reliably beats most Water types, and threatens many Grass types because of flamethrower. Ground and Rock Types like Stonjourner, Silvally-Rock and Golurk benefit from this.

Manectric pairs nicely with strong Pokemon that benefit from the crippling of the opposing team. Pokemon such as G-Rapidash, Stonjourner, Golurk, Mr. Rime, Glaceon and Heatmor fit into these categories.

Manectric loses to most scarfers as it tends to lose a bit of its offense with this set. This means that slow walls such as Type: Null, Throh and Vespiquen are some nice Pokemon that Manectric can have on its team so that Manectric can switch out relatively unharmed by these fast threats.

i'm not going to do a full rundown on team options this time, but here are a few examples from both sets of points that are either way too general (for example, saying that toxtect loses to scafers and claiming partners can deal with "these fast threats" without mentioning once who these threats are. another example), or just wrong (type: null and palpitoad are extremely bad raichu switch-ins, and gourgeist is a fairly shoddy one too since specs raichu can 2hko it after slight chip damage). don't write these by your gut feelings only, make sure to double check every example you give in the damage calculator to see if said partner is actually effective at doing what you're claiming it to do. also, make sure that you keep all partner recommendations to actually viable pokemon (mentioning charjabug as a partner for specs mane is very questionable).

sorry if all of this seems harsh, but i wouldn't go through all of this effort if i didn't believe in your ability to improve upon what's here. i'd like to look over this again once you get to fix these issues. let me know if you have any questions.

 

[BulbaBrain]

I've tried to address all the points to at least a good degree, so I'm going to be putting this back into Quality Control phase. Hope its much better this time around. Thx for the feedback royesk btw. Appreciate it.

Maybe Offensive Joke (read if you want)

i wouldn't go through all of this effort if i didn't believe in your ability to improve upon what's here.

You sound like my mom royesk

 

[MZ]

Talked about this on discord but this big check focuses mostly on the way things are written more than informational stuff (although not entirely). Implement it, I'll want to look at this again just because there's a lot of writing stuff, and after that it can get stamped. My goal here is to not force feed actual sentences to copy paste wholesale (in fact generally don't just copy in what a qc member says), more critique where the writing isn't the way we'd want it to upload on-site and suggest how it could be fixed.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Volt Switch
move 3: Overheat / Flamethrower
move 4: Switcheroo
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Lightning Rod
nature: Timid Nature
evs: 252 SpA/ 4 SpD / 252 Spe whenever there's a / always put a space on either side. this should be "252 SpA / 4 SpD". small, but breaks the upload format

[SET COMMENTS]
Manectric is a one of the fastest Pokemon in the tier with a high special attack stat. This set makes perfect use of this speed as scarfed Manectric is one of the best speed controlling Pokemon in PU. so these first 2 sentences are a great example of the right info but weird writing. You don't need two sentences and very formalistic writing to just state the overall set purpose, "Manectric is good speed control because it's fast" Obviously obviously is a bad word to use in analyses for the most part since who knows what's obvious it faces other competition from other scarfers like Mr. Mime, Thwackey, Mr. Rime and more why? good place to give a brief reason why other scarfers might be better. Thunderbolt is its STAB for a very basic move like tbolt where all you can say is "because it's stab", you simply don't write anything. only write about things if they require some mild explanation, Volt Switch gives it the ability to pivot around same here, volt is simple enough to not need a mention, and Flamethrower or Overheat is Manectric's coverage option this clause is also wholly unnecessary. obviously they're coverage. the only thing you need to explain is why you might use one or the other Overheat is preferred mainly because it has a higher base power, and the fact that Manectric's speed leaves it vulnearble to revenge kills from priority users, which means that it is often forced to switch out, leaving the backlash from Overheat practically negligible the whole "backlash" bit is entirely unnecessary, dropping stats is still dropping stats. this just needs to be higher base power vs less consistency to stay in and hit random fire-weak mons that won't be OHKOd by Overheat but get pressured by flame . Flamethrower is also a viable option so that there is no backlash for Manectric in the endgame in that scenario. Switcheroo allows Manectric to cripple Pokemon with a reliance on their items, especially eviolite users such as Dragon Dance Fraxure, WispHex Drakloak, or Type: Null no it's most specifically and applicably good for crippling defensive mons, not Eviolite users. Drakloak and fraxure are entirely off-base examples that you don't especially need/want to trick compared to, say, Musharna.

Manectric baits out Lightning Rod users (Opposing Manectric, Raichu and Pincurchin) don't do examples in parentheses, "like" and "such as" are your best bets normally as they can help absorb the constant Volt Switching. Roselia and Shiinotic are two good Raichu counters. Type: Null and Palpitoad are good Manectric counters, and Pincurchin can be beaten easily by Palpitoad, Golurk, Roselia and Gourgeist instead of two sentences breaking down varying stops to the specific mons, just go with a few general Electric checks. Multiple sentences of ways to check each electric specifically gets more confusing and unnecessary. Manectric also brings in Ground types, Dragon types, and specially bulky Pokemon such as Palpitoad, Vibrava, DD Fraxure you never want to abbreviate moves like Dragon Dance to DD or Stealth Rock to rocks in an analysis. You also don't need to specify the set if any set does the same thing, non-DD fraxure works just as well as DD here so you'd just say Fraxure, and Throh. The prior three this is very confusing. you only list 3 types of things that annoy Manectric, but 4 examples. so presumably the "prior 3" means the specific examples when you actually want to be focusing on the archetypes. naming checks to ground types >>> naming checks to only palpitoad can be dealt with easily by Freeze-Dry users such as Glaceon, Mr. Rime, or Mr. Mime-Galar. Throh can be dealt with by using Psychic-type Pokemon, preferably one of Musharna or Beheeyem as they provide good bulk and power. that also makes these examples poor. sure, psychic-types check throh, but they don't check all "specially bulky pokemon" which is the actual category of manectric checks you're talking about here

this also feels a bit short, at least a mention of things that volt-turn with manec would be nice

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Volt Switch
move 3: Flamethrower/Overheat
move 4: Switcheroo where did hyper voice go? could've sworn it was on here
item: Choice Specs
ability: Lightning Rod
nature: Timid Nature
evs: 252 SpA/ 4 SpD / 252 Spe same slash thing here

[SET COMMENTS]
The specs again abbreviation just Is Not Done, it should be "Choice Specs" not "specs" Manectric set is quite similar to the Choice Scarf set, but instead, it takes advantage of its high Special Attack stat and turns Manectric into one of the most powerful and threatening special wallbreakers in the tier don't bother mentioning the previous set, just talk about specs on its own merits. It also takes use of the fact that Manectric has one of the best speed tiers in PU, allowing it to hit hard, at the same time as outspeeding the opponent, allowing it to be one of the best revenge killers in the current meta talking about speed = good. but the writing is very very awkward, commas segment up the whole sentence and the point is muddled. I try not to give exact sentences because then people copy paste them without doing the work, but compare that to something as simple as "Manectric's excellent Speed tier allows it to both wallbreak and revenge kill". Thunderbolt is its STAB move; Volt Switch is its fast pivoting move; Flamethrower or Overheat is its specially offensive coverage same stuff here, but with the added issue that you should NEVER copy the exact same stuff from set to set. even if you're making similar points, having the writing be the exact same just defeats the purpose of doing writing at all. examples and sentences should be changed, there is always new information to provide. Overheat encourages Manectric to be functioned as a hit and run type Pokemon, but it hits incredibly hard with Choice Specs. Switcheroo allows Manectric to give a little bit of support to cripple eviolite users.

Specs Manectric works extremely well alongside slow u-turners/volt switchers/teleporters, as they can give Manectric nice momentum and a good amount of chances to get kills or wallbreak. These Pokemon include Vespiquen, Vibrava and Beheeyem. true but again just written awkwardly, there's no reason for the examples to get segmented off into their own list of a sentence. a relatively small nitpick but still Manectric also heavily beats out the Water, Grass and Bug types because of its coverage. This means that Ground, Psychic and Rock types benefit quite heavily from Manectric's removal of these Pokemon. Beheeyem, Golurk and Stonjourner are just some mentions of these Pokemon. this is very heavily simplified, and maybe it can work but the writing isn't doing it any favors. also if you list the mons in a specific order ("ground psychic and rock") then always give the examples in the same order (Golurk beheeyem and stonjourner) Manectric, Teleport Beheeyem and scarfed Stonjourner especially can make a great core as they cover each other's weaknesses really well, and Beheeyem is one of the best pivots into the tier which can switch into two extremely hard hitters in this core. another writing quirk, much better to specifically mention these pokemon as good partners rather than as a core together. they're not really a core, particularly all three of them, just something with good synergy. and it also mucks up the writing a bit because you just mentioned beheeyem and stonjourner and now they're examples again, it's a bit redundant. there are a lot of ways to fix this Specs Manectric, however, needs help dealing with Ground types, especially Palpitoad. This makes Grass types such as Roselia or Gourgeist quite good partners. Dragon types that resist its dual stab such as Vibrava are hard for Manectric to deal with without considerable chip damage, so Ice types are quite good partners. Freeze Dry users for Palpitoad help as well again specifying freeze dry feels weird, all ices mess with palp and freeze dry itself is attached to those ices. These Pokemon are pokemon like I would reread the last 5 words for a good example of what I mean by clunky writing that im trying to fix before this gets uploaded Lapras, Glaceon, Mr. Rime or Mr. Mime-G. Manectric is also vulnerable to faster Pokemon - namely Rapidash-G and Raichu. Scarfed Stonjourner can deal with all non-scarfed variants of these two Pokemon on a free switch-in. Roselia and Shiinotic are good Raichu answers. obv this needs reworking since the bans, as do previous Golurk mentions. the same lightningrod stuff from last time can apply here, but you'd need to be able to differentiate it from above

[SET]
name: Offensive Support - Toxtect just call the set "Toxic + Protect"
move 1: Thunderbolt/Volt Switch same here with slashes
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Flamethrower
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Lightning Rod
nature: Timid Nature
evs: 252 SpA/ 4 SpD / 252 Spe and here

[SET COMMENTS]
This Manectric set that lets you cripple what would otherwise be extremely safe and consistent switch-ins to Manectric, such as Palpitoad, Seaking or Vibrava, while still functioning as a fast revenge killer that provides an electric immunity and generates momentum as well good info but this sentence really gets run on. Protect also allows the player to scout out coverage from obscure switchins I don't know what "obscure switchins" is supposed to mean, "scout coverage" on its own is a fine point that the opponent makes, which is helpful as it can uncover different sets and whether or not an opposing Pokemon is an unexpected threat to one of the player's Pokemon. yeah the rest of the sentence just makes the point a bit more confusing too. also worth mentioning is protection from First Impression, since that's pretty popular currently

Manectric pairs nicely with strong Pokemon that benefit from the crippling of the opposing team true but too generic to be of a ton of use, at least go with something like "wallbreakers that appreciate their checks crippled by toxic" or something. Pokemon such as G-Rapidash, Stonjourner, Golurk, Mr. Rime, Glaceon and Heatmor fit into these categories generally I wouldn't include so many examples, just gets a bit too much. fortunately at least 2 of them have been banned. The reason for this is because they are wallbreakers that often require some chip damage on the opposing team in order to sweep and kill, Toxic damage and the occasional Thunderbolt/Flamethrower is usually enough damage for the above Pokemon to break through most walls in the tier yeah this doesn't really need explanation though, "their checks are toxic'd" should be good enough. These said Pokemon can also benefit from the fast pivoting of Manectric if one decides "one decides"? idk practically anything could go here, I'm partial to "it opts" to run Volt Switch. Manectric loses to other fast scarfers another example of abbreviation, say "Choice Scarf users" or wallbreakers such as Stonjourner on the free switch I don't know what "on the free switch" means here and Mr. Mime. Physically Defensive Vibrava and Palpitoad are some switchins to Stonjourner, while Type: Null and Support Mr. Rime are some Mr. Mime switchins. very clunky way of giving examples, simply going "here are some switchins to this and here are some switchins to this". not the worst but it adds up over the whole analysis

best way to expand this would be to simply talk more about what benefits from Manectric doing annoying things

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- Written by: [[BulbaBrain, 477336]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
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