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Charizard Circlejerk Thread
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Talk about how godlike this lizard with wings is, and play it up as much as possible.
I'm gonna name my kids after Charizard. Watch me.
Back in Gen 5, Smogon wrote negative analyses on Charizard because they were jealous jerks. Charizard responded with 2 Mega Evolutions the next generation.
Also, it's 5'7". That's peak height imo.
Back in Gen 5, Smogon wrote negative analyses on Charizard because they were jealous jerks. Charizard responded with 2 Mega Evolutions the next generation.
Also, it's 5'7". That's peak height imo.
Charizard rose up against the Smogon oligarchy and established itself as the definitive Pokemon once again. Nobody can tie this beast down.
i prefer the golem thread
In "American Boy" by Estelle ft. Kanye West, Estelle says "I just met this five foot seven guy who's just my type." CLEARLY she's talking about Charizard and her type is Fire/Flying. The song won a Grammy which basically means Charizard has a Grammy. Can YOUR fav Pokemon say that? Short kings rise up.
(PS: Don't forget to get a Charizard mug for your buddy Julia)
4? 4 isn't enough! Arceus and Silvally can have one for every type, why can't Charizard?! This is an injustice if anything, friend!
I CAN’T believe that Gamefreak had the AUDACITY to give all the Kanto starters a Gmax form! Bringing the chad that is Charizard down to the levels of Blastoise or Venusaur in this way is truly humiliating. Clearly, Gamefreak does not value Charizard, since if they did, they would have at least given him a second Gmax! Smh.
I loathe Charizard. I've always hated it. The design is just completely boring while somehow still being hideous and unappealing. People will criticize me for hating on this thing just to be contrarian and backlashing against its popularity because of how much it's been continuously milked since the XY era, but believe me I loathed this thing since back in gen 5 and earlier when it was treated as a more forgotten relic by Game Freak, something that the fans were starved for more of before they got mercilessly overstuffed by the following nostalgia-baiting modern era.
Look at how fucking imbalanced and fucked-up its body proportions are. This fat piece of shit lizard lugging around King K. Rool's oversized gut but without any of the posture or personality to even own it. That long, awkward giraffe neck that just looks like it's in the way of almost any position it tries to to hold itself in. Like come on, look at this fucking render and tell me straight to my face that this neck looks even remotely okay and not like he's choking himself on the developers attempt to balance out its awful proportions into a pose that just maybe won't look completely stupid. It's like its squished-up line of action is an insult to the entire concept of art itself.
Then you've got its tiny t-rex arms and its short stubby legs like these limbs would be even remotely capable of accomplishing anything in a fight. It doesn't look like a powerful beast, it looks like it's got the danger factor of a Barney character while it's stupid angry face desperately tries to make it look cool despite how badly the whole thing fits together like a bunch of puzzle pieces jammed together at random instead of looking for what fits.
I'm sure this is an overdone talking point with regards ton a ton of gen 1, but Charizard isn't even interesting. It's a fucking generic European dragon just jammed into the fantasy monsters game straight-up. Just a lizard with wings. They stuck some fire on its tail, big whoop. I can forgive tons of visually unappealing designs if there's some semblance of creativity behind them, some hint of a soul where the creators had a really cool idea and wanted to bring to life. But nope, here's a regular dragon and it's fucking ugly at that. I can sing tons and tons of praises about the other two dragons of gen 1. Gyarados, despite being a fairly generic Chinese-style dragon, still has a source of interesting inspiration behind it with the mythological story of a carp pulling off of the impossible task of swimming up a waterfall and becoming a dragon when it succeeds, the idea of taking the weakest Pokémon in the game and having it evolve into an absolute beast through hard work. It also has way more personality to it, leaning all the way into the enternally pissed-off angry monster ready to lash out and destroy at any moment instead of Charizard's half-assed generic mad expression that comparatively looks like complete shit. Or Dragonite, another similarly generic "it's just a dragon" concept but with way better execution, leaning heavily into the cute and friendly aesthetic and having a coherent concept behind the tone its design goes for, its cutesy nonthreatening look contrasting the fact that it's the original pseudo-legendary with ridiculously high stats meant to absolutely destroy the game. Charizard is significantly more generic, half-assed, and uninteresting even by gen 1's often criticized low standards in this regard.
Now, believe it or not, I'm not some obsessive Charizard-hating monster who came here solely to shit on the things that everyone loves. This is my honest opinion, and I can happily give credit where credit's due. Charizard-Y did what I previously thought was impossible and fixed Charizard. It's an absolutely awesome design.
Look at this sleek motherfucker. The more serpentine design really leans way more heavily behind the whole lizard concept behind "Lizardon", having lost a lot of that extra weight it was lugging around and the yellow underbelly going from head to tail instead of looking like a wannabe Snorlax helping to make it look just a lot less pathetic in general. The yellow jaw also helps to bring some nice contrast to its face, highlighting its new jawline that replaces its old awkward flapping lower hinge that just kinda hung there looking stupid as a part of its dumb generic angry face. And the new smug/confident look really brings it home, having some actual personality to it instead of just looking like its in the middle of shouting at nothing. The legs now have a powerful jointed look to them instead of the old paw-like cylinder stubs stuck onto the old one, and the wings on its hands are a nice touch to help make them look a little less pointless and incompetent. Its actual wings are also way better, being much larger to better-sell the possibility of this thing actually being able to fly, and the pattern standing out as a lot more interesting with something of a more ancient feel. Charizard-Y is awesome, it just fixes all of the issues with the old design's hideous body structure, leans more heavily into an interesting sleek and serpentine lizard concept, and just adds some actual personality to make it actually look cool for once instead of like an idiot.
But man, they just COULDN'T be happy with actually accomplishing something good for once. They just had to get greedy and sour the entire thing. Charizard-X is a monstrosity of a design, somehow pulling off what I'd have also deemed impossible at the time and made Charizard significantly worse. Charizard-X is like they started redesigning Charizard, but then they never stopped. They just kept on adding the dumbest shit to it in an attempt to make it stereotypically cool while doing nothing to actually improve it. Let's keep the oversized gut and stubby legs, but we'll add these awkward protuding spikes to its shoulders that look like shit and exist for no reason because spikes are awesome! Let's keep the boring unexpressive angry face, but it has fire teeth now since that totally looks so cool and not stupid! Lets take its wings and fucking cut chunks out of them with a razor blade in order to make them spike-shaped, 'cause we think that looks way cooler even though it just ruins them! Let's tack on an edgy dark color scheme to the whole thing just because we don't have any actual good ideas for this and are gonna change things for the sake of it! I don't like the original Charizard, but at least it was a lot cleaner and more cohesive than this, instead of an overdesigned busy edgy spike-covered mess that still maintains all of the exact same problems as the original design but piling on even more issues to it. It's just really, truly an awful design and considering that it was the second one they made after the honest brilliance of the first mega I don't even know what they were thinking when they created this monstrosity. I can always give the original Charizard credit for its place in pop culture as one of the original starters and the influence it's had on countless kids who loved it and the series as a whole, but Charizard-X is something that I feel genuinely does not even deserve to exist and only makes the franchise ever-so-slightly worse by being a part of it.
I don't care about Gmax Charizard and don't plan on ranting about it. This was the point where new Charizards stopped being an exciting unexpected development and started being a trend, something that very obviously lacks any kind of creative soul behind it and is just another cog in the nostalgia cashout machine, something that everyone has already criticized what it represents and where its place in the world has already vastly overshadowed anything good or bad that could be said about how it looks. It's fun to hate something that's a part of a creative vision that you think is hilariously blind, it's easy and boring to hate something that just exists as part of a calculated corporate decision that everyone else is already criticizing plenty. I don't hate Charizard nearly enough to give any shits about where it exists in the landscape of this franchise now, I'm beyond caring about anything that they really do with it at this point.
Charizard's a bad design. I think think that everything about it is bad, and it gets too much credit for playing it safe and being seemingly inoffensive. It's a dragon, dragons are cool so people will like it for that despite its complete lack of interesting spins on the idea. It's one of the original starters, it's automatically an iconic part of pop culture that lots of people grew up with and will unconditionally worship. It's ugly and uncool in every way I can think of, but it's really not blatantly ugly enough in an obvious way that would drive people away from it when they already like every safe and uninteresting design and concept choice made for it. I don't get why people like it, but I do get why people indifferent to it can just not care about it instead of hating it like I do, because of how safe and generic it is and not everyone will be necessarily bothered by that. I think just about everything about it is worth criticizing, but it's become such a juggernaut of representing favoritism and nostalgia-baiting that I feel any discussion about it nowadays, whether positive or negative, feels inherently loaded and like it carries a lot of baggage as the fanbase has split into "teams" of the loud genwunners and the loud anti-genwunners rambling about "overrated" and "hate it because it's popular". It's true that I don't like how Game Freak is treating this thing and how they've been treating their series since XY, but I also straight-up just didn't like this thing to begin with and its ever-changing place towards the forefront of the franchise hasn't changed that.
Look at how fucking imbalanced and fucked-up its body proportions are. This fat piece of shit lizard lugging around King K. Rool's oversized gut but without any of the posture or personality to even own it. That long, awkward giraffe neck that just looks like it's in the way of almost any position it tries to to hold itself in. Like come on, look at this fucking render and tell me straight to my face that this neck looks even remotely okay and not like he's choking himself on the developers attempt to balance out its awful proportions into a pose that just maybe won't look completely stupid. It's like its squished-up line of action is an insult to the entire concept of art itself.
Then you've got its tiny t-rex arms and its short stubby legs like these limbs would be even remotely capable of accomplishing anything in a fight. It doesn't look like a powerful beast, it looks like it's got the danger factor of a Barney character while it's stupid angry face desperately tries to make it look cool despite how badly the whole thing fits together like a bunch of puzzle pieces jammed together at random instead of looking for what fits.
I'm sure this is an overdone talking point with regards ton a ton of gen 1, but Charizard isn't even interesting. It's a fucking generic European dragon just jammed into the fantasy monsters game straight-up. Just a lizard with wings. They stuck some fire on its tail, big whoop. I can forgive tons of visually unappealing designs if there's some semblance of creativity behind them, some hint of a soul where the creators had a really cool idea and wanted to bring to life. But nope, here's a regular dragon and it's fucking ugly at that. I can sing tons and tons of praises about the other two dragons of gen 1. Gyarados, despite being a fairly generic Chinese-style dragon, still has a source of interesting inspiration behind it with the mythological story of a carp pulling off of the impossible task of swimming up a waterfall and becoming a dragon when it succeeds, the idea of taking the weakest Pokémon in the game and having it evolve into an absolute beast through hard work. It also has way more personality to it, leaning all the way into the enternally pissed-off angry monster ready to lash out and destroy at any moment instead of Charizard's half-assed generic mad expression that comparatively looks like complete shit. Or Dragonite, another similarly generic "it's just a dragon" concept but with way better execution, leaning heavily into the cute and friendly aesthetic and having a coherent concept behind the tone its design goes for, its cutesy nonthreatening look contrasting the fact that it's the original pseudo-legendary with ridiculously high stats meant to absolutely destroy the game. Charizard is significantly more generic, half-assed, and uninteresting even by gen 1's often criticized low standards in this regard.
Now, believe it or not, I'm not some obsessive Charizard-hating monster who came here solely to shit on the things that everyone loves. This is my honest opinion, and I can happily give credit where credit's due. Charizard-Y did what I previously thought was impossible and fixed Charizard. It's an absolutely awesome design.
Look at this sleek motherfucker. The more serpentine design really leans way more heavily behind the whole lizard concept behind "Lizardon", having lost a lot of that extra weight it was lugging around and the yellow underbelly going from head to tail instead of looking like a wannabe Snorlax helping to make it look just a lot less pathetic in general. The yellow jaw also helps to bring some nice contrast to its face, highlighting its new jawline that replaces its old awkward flapping lower hinge that just kinda hung there looking stupid as a part of its dumb generic angry face. And the new smug/confident look really brings it home, having some actual personality to it instead of just looking like its in the middle of shouting at nothing. The legs now have a powerful jointed look to them instead of the old paw-like cylinder stubs stuck onto the old one, and the wings on its hands are a nice touch to help make them look a little less pointless and incompetent. Its actual wings are also way better, being much larger to better-sell the possibility of this thing actually being able to fly, and the pattern standing out as a lot more interesting with something of a more ancient feel. Charizard-Y is awesome, it just fixes all of the issues with the old design's hideous body structure, leans more heavily into an interesting sleek and serpentine lizard concept, and just adds some actual personality to make it actually look cool for once instead of like an idiot.
But man, they just COULDN'T be happy with actually accomplishing something good for once. They just had to get greedy and sour the entire thing. Charizard-X is a monstrosity of a design, somehow pulling off what I'd have also deemed impossible at the time and made Charizard significantly worse. Charizard-X is like they started redesigning Charizard, but then they never stopped. They just kept on adding the dumbest shit to it in an attempt to make it stereotypically cool while doing nothing to actually improve it. Let's keep the oversized gut and stubby legs, but we'll add these awkward protuding spikes to its shoulders that look like shit and exist for no reason because spikes are awesome! Let's keep the boring unexpressive angry face, but it has fire teeth now since that totally looks so cool and not stupid! Lets take its wings and fucking cut chunks out of them with a razor blade in order to make them spike-shaped, 'cause we think that looks way cooler even though it just ruins them! Let's tack on an edgy dark color scheme to the whole thing just because we don't have any actual good ideas for this and are gonna change things for the sake of it! I don't like the original Charizard, but at least it was a lot cleaner and more cohesive than this, instead of an overdesigned busy edgy spike-covered mess that still maintains all of the exact same problems as the original design but piling on even more issues to it. It's just really, truly an awful design and considering that it was the second one they made after the honest brilliance of the first mega I don't even know what they were thinking when they created this monstrosity. I can always give the original Charizard credit for its place in pop culture as one of the original starters and the influence it's had on countless kids who loved it and the series as a whole, but Charizard-X is something that I feel genuinely does not even deserve to exist and only makes the franchise ever-so-slightly worse by being a part of it.
I don't care about Gmax Charizard and don't plan on ranting about it. This was the point where new Charizards stopped being an exciting unexpected development and started being a trend, something that very obviously lacks any kind of creative soul behind it and is just another cog in the nostalgia cashout machine, something that everyone has already criticized what it represents and where its place in the world has already vastly overshadowed anything good or bad that could be said about how it looks. It's fun to hate something that's a part of a creative vision that you think is hilariously blind, it's easy and boring to hate something that just exists as part of a calculated corporate decision that everyone else is already criticizing plenty. I don't hate Charizard nearly enough to give any shits about where it exists in the landscape of this franchise now, I'm beyond caring about anything that they really do with it at this point.
Charizard's a bad design. I think think that everything about it is bad, and it gets too much credit for playing it safe and being seemingly inoffensive. It's a dragon, dragons are cool so people will like it for that despite its complete lack of interesting spins on the idea. It's one of the original starters, it's automatically an iconic part of pop culture that lots of people grew up with and will unconditionally worship. It's ugly and uncool in every way I can think of, but it's really not blatantly ugly enough in an obvious way that would drive people away from it when they already like every safe and uninteresting design and concept choice made for it. I don't get why people like it, but I do get why people indifferent to it can just not care about it instead of hating it like I do, because of how safe and generic it is and not everyone will be necessarily bothered by that. I think just about everything about it is worth criticizing, but it's become such a juggernaut of representing favoritism and nostalgia-baiting that I feel any discussion about it nowadays, whether positive or negative, feels inherently loaded and like it carries a lot of baggage as the fanbase has split into "teams" of the loud genwunners and the loud anti-genwunners rambling about "overrated" and "hate it because it's popular". It's true that I don't like how Game Freak is treating this thing and how they've been treating their series since XY, but I also straight-up just didn't like this thing to begin with and its ever-changing place towards the forefront of the franchise hasn't changed that.
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haha blast burn go boooshI loathe Charizard. I've always hated it. The design is just completely boring while somehow still being hideous and unappealing. People will criticize me for hating on this thing just to be contrarian and backlashing against its popularity because of how much it's been continuously milked since the XY era, but believe me I loathed this thing since back in gen 5 and earlier when it was treated as a more forgotten relic by Game Freak, something that the fans were starved for more of before they got mercilessly overstuffed by the following nostalgia-baiting modern era.
Look at how fucking imbalanced and fucked-up its body proportions are. This fat piece of shit lizard lugging around King K. Rool's oversized gut but without any of the posture or personality to even own it. That long, awkward giraffe neck that just looks like it's in the way of almost any position it tries to to hold itself in. Like come on, look at this fucking render and tell me straight to my face that this neck looks even remotely okay and not like he's chocking himself on the developers attempt to balance out its awful proportions into a pose that just maybe won't look completely stupid. It's like its squished-up line of action is an insult to the entire concept of art itself.
Then you've got its tiny t-rex arms and its short stubby legs like these limbs would be even remotely capable of accomplishing anything in a fight. It doesn't look like a powerful beast, it looks like it's got the danger factor of a Barney character while it's stupid angry face desperately tries to make it look cool despite how badly the whole thing fits together like a bunch of puzzle pieces jammed together at random instead of looking for what fits.
I'm sure this is an overdone talking point with regards ton a ton of gen 1, but Charizard isn't even interesting. It's a fucking generic European dragon just jammed into the fantasy monsters game straight-up. Just a lizard with wings. They stuck some fire on its tail, big whoop. I can forgive tons of visually unappealing designs if there's some semblance of creativity behind them, some hint of a soul where the creators had a really cool idea and wanted to bring to life. But nope, here's a regular dragon and it's fucking ugly at that. I can sing tons and tons of praises about the other two dragons of gen 1. Gyarados, despite being a fairly generic Chinese-style dragon, still has a source of interesting inspiration behind it with the mythological story of a carp pulling off of the impossible task of swimming up a waterfall and becoming a dragon when it succeeds, the idea of taking the weakest Pokémon in the game and having it evolve into an absolute beast through hard work. It also has way more personality to it, leaning all the way into the enternally pissed-off angry monster ready to lash out and destroy at any moment instead of Charizard's half-assed generic mad expression that comparatively looks like complete shit. Or Dragonite, another similarly generic "it's just a dragon" concept but with way better execution, leaning heavily into the cute and friendly aesthetic and having a coherent concept behind the tone its design goes for, its cutesy nonthreatening look contrasting the fact that it's the original pseudo-legendary with ridiculously high stats meant to absolutely destroy the game. Charizard is significantly more generic, half-assed, and uninteresting even by gen 1's often criticized low standards in this regard.
Now, believe it or not, I'm not some obsessive Charizard-hating monster who came here solely to shit on the things that everyone loves. This is my honest opinion, and I can happily give credit where credit's due. Charizard-Y did what I previously thought was impossible and fixed Charizard. It's an absolutely awesome design.
Look at this sleek motherfucker. The more serpentine design really leans way more heavily behind the whole lizard concept behind "Lizardon", having lost a lot of that extra weight it was lugging around and the yellow underbelly going from head to tail instead of looking like a wannabe Snorlax helping to make it look just a lot less pathetic in general. The yellow jaw also helps to bring some nice contrast to its face, highlighting its new jawline that replaces its old awkward flapping lower hinge that just kinda hung there looking stupid as a part of its dumb generic angry face. And the new smug/confident look really brings it home, having some actual personality to it instead of just looking like its in the middle of shouting at nothing. The legs now have a powerful jointed look to them instead of the old paw-like cylinder stubs stuck onto the old one, and the wings on its hands are a nice touch to help make them look a little less pointless and incompetent. Its actual wings are also way better, being much larger to better-sell the possibility of this thing actually being able to fly, and the pattern standing out as a lot more interesting with something of a more ancient feel. Charizard-Y is awesome, it just fixes all of the issues with the old design's hideous body structure, leans more heavily into an interesting sleek and serpentine lizard concept, and just adds some actual personality to make it actually look cool for once instead of like an idiot.
But man, they just COULDN'T be happy with actually accomplishing something good for once. They just had to get greedy and sour the entire thing. Charizard-X is a monstrosity of a design, somehow pulling off what I'd have also deemed impossible at the time and made Charizard significantly worse. Charizard-X is like they started redesigning Charizard, but then they never stopped. They just kept on adding the dumbest shit to it in an attempt to make it stereotypically cool while doing nothing to actually improve it. Let's keep the oversized gut and stubby legs, but we'll add these awkward protuding spikes to its shoulders that look like shit and exist for no reason because spikes are awesome! Let's keep the boring unexpressive angry face, but it has fire teeth now since that totally looks so cool and not stupid! Lets take its wings and fucking cut chunks out of them with a razor blade in order to make them spike-shaped, 'cause we think that looks way cooler even though it just ruins them! Let's tack on an edgy dark color scheme to the whole thing just because we don't have any actual good ideas for this and are gonna change things for the sake of it! I don't like the original Charizard, but at least it was a lot cleaner and more cohesive than this, instead of an overdesigned busy edgy spike-covered mess that still maintains all of the exact same problems as the original design but piling on even more issues to it. It's just really, truly an awful design and considering that it was the second one they made after the honest brilliance of the first mega I don't even know what they were thinking when they created this monstrosity. I can always give the original Charizard credit for its place in pop culture as one of the original starters and the influence it's had on countless kids who loved it and the series as a whole, but Charizard-X is something that I feel genuinely does not even deserve to exist and only makes the franchise ever-so-slightly worse by being a part of it.
I don't care about Gmax Charizard and don't plan on ranting about it. This was the point where new Charizards stopped being an exciting unexpected development and started being a trend, something that very obviously lacks any kind of creative soul behind it and is just another cog in the nostalgia cashout machine, something that everyone has already criticized what it represents and where its place in the world has already vastly overshadowed anything good or bad that could be said about how it looks. It's fun to hate something that's a part of a creative vision that you think is hilariously blind, it's easy and boring to hate something that just exists as part of a calculated corporate decision that everyone else is already criticizing plenty. I don't hate Charizard nearly enough to give any shits about where it exists in the landscape of this franchise now, I'm beyond caring about anything that they really do with it at this point.
Charizard's a bad design. I think think that everything about it is bad, and it gets too much credit for playing it safe and being seemingly inoffensive. It's a dragon, dragons are cool so people will like it for that despite its complete lack of interesting spins on the idea. It's one of the original starters, it's automatically an iconic part of pop culture that lots of people grew up with and will unconditionally worship. It's ugly and uncool in every way I can think of, but it's really not blatantly ugly enough in an obvious way that would drive people away from it when they already like every safe and uninteresting design and concept choice made for it. I don't get why people like it, but I do get why people indifferent to it can just not care about it instead of hating it like I do, because of how safe and generic it is and not everyone will be necessarily bothered by that. I think just about everything about it is worth criticizing, but it's become such a juggernaut of representing favoritism and nostalgia-baiting that I feel any discussion about it nowadays, whether positive or negative, feels inherently loaded and like it carries a lot of baggage as the fanbase has split into "teams" of the loud genwunners and the loud anti-genwunners rambling about "overrated" and "hate it because it's popular". It's true that I don't like how Game Freak is treating this thing and how they've been treating their series since XY, but I also straight-up just didn't like this thing to begin with and its ever-changing place towards the forefront of the franchise hasn't changed that.
Just a reminder that Ash's Bayleef defeated Charizard, back when she was a wild Chikorita. Sure, she collapsed shortly after causing Charizard to hit himself and fainted, but you can't deny that she defeated Charizard (and Bulbasaur before that)...
Sure, it started out like this:
But then...
Imaginary referee: "Charizard is defeated, Chikorita is the winner!"
Sure, Chikorita collapsed right after Charizard fainted, but by Pokemon anime rules, this makes Chikorita the winner of the battle.
Pictures are from a Serebii episode summary.
Sure, it started out like this:
But then...
Imaginary referee: "Charizard is defeated, Chikorita is the winner!"
Sure, Chikorita collapsed right after Charizard fainted, but by Pokemon anime rules, this makes Chikorita the winner of the battle.
Pictures are from a Serebii episode summary.
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Guys you all need to realize the true reason Charizard is the best starter of all time:
It learns Fly, so now you can backtrack alongside your edgy fire-breathing dragon while doing it at the greatest efficiency of any of the starters. (Pikachu doesn't count because it only got Fly from events)
It learns Fly, so now you can backtrack alongside your edgy fire-breathing dragon while doing it at the greatest efficiency of any of the starters. (Pikachu doesn't count because it only got Fly from events)
Never happened, false, untrue, fake, something about Charizard fans being oppressed by the Game Freak bourgeoisie