Gen 4 Kelypso.

[voyage]

art by momo!

INTRODUCTION.

Hello everyone. I have recently returned after a long absence.
As you can see, it is a 4 gen team since it is my favorite and it is the one that pushed me to start competitive.
This is my first RMT here so I hope to get it right. I had been thinking about whether to publish or not for days and with Dugtrio's ban I have encouraged myself to try. I have not played much lately but I think one of the most favored is Zone since not only can he remove steels he also has more freedom by not getting caught. Well, I don't want this to be too long so I'll try to be direct. My main idea was a team based on Lucario but a special offensive set with support from TSpikes, Spikes and of course SR. I wanted something different. Basically that is the strategy, press with all that with offensive mons, Substitute or Roar ~~

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TEAM PROCESS.

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-> First of all, my lead, which is Nidoqueen, since my intention is to start with the most important move in the game that damages everything that enters. I usually have a good match up and his ability is also useful if he takes a direct hit.

-> Well, now I needed something offensive and that covers weaknesses of Nidoqueen and this is where a mon top comes in for me in the tier that is Gyarados. Besides that they cover between both. It can perfectly enter Ground/Water spam and abuse Intimidate as a defense.

-> Gengar as Gyara's support since it allows to eliminate Rotom (no scarf) or Bulky Starmie among others like Cresselia that are serious threats. Also grass type like Celebi. It may not be a reliable spin block but it can do that.

-> I needed the user that would allow me to abuse both Spikes and TSpikes and also cover Gengar from dark or ghost spam or threats like Zong, Scizor, Gross, Weavile. I had in mind Skarm but it is not the same apart from that it does not learn Rapid Spin.

-> Forretress is very exposed to things like Nape or Heatran so this time Latias enters since I also see it necessary to carry a user with Roar that can be a bit annoying and also have the advantage of what the rival has.

-> Here's the star of the team and the reason why I do this too. Well there is not much to explain here basically it works well with Latias since they both have good synergy and it allows me to eliminate things like Ttar that is always present.

THE TEAM.

Nidoqueen (F) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Thunderbolt
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Nidoqueen is a great mon with good defense and good coverage. With SR he helps me to carry the fight in my favor as long as the match up is good. Maybe TBolt is almost unthinkable but I decided to add on FBlast or Protect by Gyarados mainly. I think it can be a threat. Ice Beam is a more than effective answer if you want to eliminate Flygon, Nite or even Gliscor. EQ for the only stab and because it is mandatory if you want to do something vs Jirachi, Ttar or Heatran.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Gyarados is a mon that I love to use as I find it very offensive and it fits well here. He has several resistances and a great offensive double type. The only news if it can be said is SE for other Gyara or also vs Nite, Zapdos. Waterfall because it is the reliable stab on the physical side and EQ as a cover for Empo, Jirachi etc. It is one of the pillars when pressing especially with DD.

Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Pain Split

Gengar can be a very fragile mon that barely takes a hit but he makes up for that with his dual offensive type, speed / spa, and interesting immunity to Ground and Fight. Classic set LO + PSplit that against Bliss or Clefa is very annoying. Sub is also perfect since you can take advantage of the damage of TSpikes thus wearing down each turn. SBall as the main and powerful stab for those opposing Rotom, Cress or Celebi and FBlast as a great cover for Ttar above all, Heatran / Zone.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Payback

If something has Forretress it is a great physical def and decent on the special side apart from having all the moves that imply damage when entering like Spikes, TSpikes and SR. In this case only the first two. Give good support to the team with RSpin too where Gyarados appreciates it. Maybe you have last-move syndrome between Payback, Eq, or Gyro. This time I take it with the first for Star or Rotom also taking advantage of that esp defense.

Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Roar
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover

I'm a fan of Latias I think it's great that she's back. He has a unique double type and I consider him to be a mon with a wide range of responses like Jirachi. His bulky CM + Roar set fits the team wonderfully. Sometimes it even forces an Explosion on the part of the rival as the only way out. It is a good support to fit in from Loom, Nape, Zapdos which Forre is annoying. I think it's a good version of Latias that takes full advantage of everything the set has to offer.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 124 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 Def
- Agility
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Lucario is offensively a constant threat from both the physical and special side. In this case it is its version Agility esp. I honestly thought a lot about whether to make it physical even with HP Ice since considering it is for dragons and Gliscor it is enough. But for now I am doing well like this and the truth is that it is working better than I expected. There's no particular reason why that bulk is simply to fit a few hits better and last longer.

THREAT LIST.
Soon.

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[GaryTheGengar]

hey, cool team! I'm especially a fan of your unique lucario set.

I've got a couple changes for you that I think might help you out. I think you're asking a lot from forretress: spinning for gyarados (without pursuit no less, so you have to rely on chipping any ghosts with payback), and setting both spikes/tspikes. I think you'd be better off running toxic spikes on nidoqueen over thunderbolt. Tbolt sounds like a decent idea, but gyarados has plenty of other places to set up, and uninvested thunderbolt doesn't even manage to kill 0/0 gyarados after sr most of the time. To replace the slot on forretress, I think protect is worth a shot, as the extra leftovers recovery can really go a long way towards spinning vs skarmory, as well as helping scout out scarfed rotom. To address your gyarados weakness, as well as dd dragonite weakness that you didn't mention, I'd replace gengar with scarf rotom. A scarfer not only helps revenge kill faster/set up pokemon, but can go a long way towards cleaning up late game if you're unable to set up your trademark lucario. Rotom's overheat can also offer you some valuable utility vs pokemon like scizor and jirachi that you might have some trouble with. Finally, I'd just run a spread with max speed on lucario - I think outrunning and ohkoing offensive heatran, as well as anything slower is much more valuable than the small amount of extra bulk.

Sets:

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Nidoqueen (F) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic Spikes
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Forretress @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Protect
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Payback

Rotom-Heat @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 80 HP / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 Def
- Agility
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Good luck!

 

[voyage]

hey, cool team! I'm especially a fan of your unique lucario set.

I've got a couple changes for you that I think might help you out. I think you're asking a lot from forretress: spinning for gyarados (without pursuit no less, so you have to rely on chipping any ghosts with payback), and setting both spikes/tspikes. I think you'd be better off running toxic spikes on nidoqueen over thunderbolt. Tbolt sounds like a decent idea, but gyarados has plenty of other places to set up, and uninvested thunderbolt doesn't even manage to kill 0/0 gyarados after sr most of the time. To replace the slot on forretress, I think protect is worth a shot, as the extra leftovers recovery can really go a long way towards spinning vs skarmory, as well as helping scout out scarfed rotom. To address your gyarados weakness, as well as dd dragonite weakness that you didn't mention, I'd replace gengar with scarf rotom. A scarfer not only helps revenge kill faster/set up pokemon, but can go a long way towards cleaning up late game if you're unable to set up your trademark lucario. Rotom's overheat can also offer you some valuable utility vs pokemon like scizor and jirachi that you might have some trouble with. Finally, I'd just run a spread with max speed on lucario - I think outrunning and ohkoing offensive heatran, as well as anything slower is much more valuable than the small amount of extra bulk.

Sets:

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Nidoqueen (F) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic Spikes
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Forretress @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Protect
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Payback

Rotom-Heat @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 80 HP / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 Def
- Agility
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Good luck!

Thank you very much for commenting and helping.

Yes, I am aware that Tbolt is not enough even being so effective (x4) but sometimes one focuses on innovating when it can enhance other things. You're definitely right, it sounds great but it's best to take advantage of that gap for TSpikes.

Hm, I never really thought about the Protect option in Forretress, that's how basic I am lmao. Thanks, that combination with Left can be important even for scarf or exploding things is very useful.

At the time I did think about changing Rotom for Gengar due to the weakness to Gyara or dragons like Nite but I suppose I ignored it and focused on the current strategy and the truth is that this change improves many things because I also consider Jirachi to be somewhat weak above all SpD.

It will certainly look better this way. Thanks for everything.

 

[GaryTheGengar]

Thank you very much for commenting and helping.

Yes, I am aware that Tbolt is not enough even being so effective (x4) but sometimes one focuses on innovating when it can enhance other things. You're definitely right, it sounds great but it's best to take advantage of that gap for TSpikes.

Hm, I never really thought about the Protect option in Forretress, that's how basic I am lmao. Thanks, that combination with Left can be important even for scarf or exploding things is very useful.

At the time I did think about changing Rotom for Gengar due to the weakness to Gyara or dragons like Nite but I suppose I ignored it and focused on the current strategy and the truth is that this change improves many things because I also consider Jirachi to be somewhat weak above all SpD.

It will certainly look better this way. Thanks for everything.

no problem. I just played a few games with the team and it works nicely. I did forget to suggest one or two changes - make sure to change lucario's ability to inner focus. Its much more beneficial to avoid a flinch altogether than to get a speed boost, as flinch is often paired with paralysis. Also make sure gyarados hits 247 speed, you'd like to outrun scarf base 100s (jirachi, flygon) after two dragon dances.