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:glastrier:
Glastrier @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Chilling Neigh
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Icicle Crash
- Close Combat
- High Horsepower
- Swords Dance

Dance first:
+1 252 Atk Dragonite Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 162-192 (40.1 - 47.6%) -- approx. 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 107-126 (26.5 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
+1 252 Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 134-158 (33.2 - 39.2%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO

Attack first:
252 Atk Dragonite Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 108-128 (26.7 - 31.7%) -- approx. 4HKO
252 Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 72-85 (17.8 - 21%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 90-106 (22.3 - 26.3%) -- 10.1% chance to 4HKO

Glastrier:
252+ Atk Glastrier Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 344-408 (106.5 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
:sm/moltres:

Moltres @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Defog
- Flamethrower
- Roost
- Scorching Sands

0 SpA Moltres Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Glastrier: 218-258 (63.9 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Glastrier Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Moltres: 127-151 (33 - 39.3%) -- 10.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Moltres be like that
 
:ss/stratagem:
Stratagem @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Paleo Wave
- Dazzling Gleam
- Flamethrower
- Toxic

0 SpA Moltres Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Stratagem: 78-93 (24.2 - 28.8%) -- 98.9% chance to 4HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Paleo Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Moltres: 858-1014 (223.4 - 264%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Credit to SlowAndBruh for the set, just replaced power gem with flamethrower
 
:ss/stratagem:
Stratagem @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Paleo Wave
- Dazzling Gleam
- Flamethrower
- Toxic

0 SpA Moltres Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Stratagem: 78-93 (24.2 - 28.8%) -- 98.9% chance to 4HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Paleo Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Moltres: 858-1014 (223.4 - 264%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Credit to SlowAndBruh for the set, just replaced power gem with flamethrower
Thanks for borrowing the set but I would recommend switching Flamethrower for Power Gem, Flamethrower doesn't do THAT much damage plus Power Gem is STAB and also does this:
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Moltres: 801-951 (208.5 - 247.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Thanks for borrowing the set but I would recommend switching Flamethrower for Power Gem, Flamethrower doesn't do THAT much damage plus Power Gem is STAB and also does this:
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Moltres: 801-951 (208.5 - 247.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Paleo Wave just does more damage and seems unnecessary to have more STAB
 
Paleo Wave just does more damage and seems unnecessary to have more STAB
Alright, let it be that way. Anyways, for the Stratagem Counter:
:swsh/naviathan:
Naviathan @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Iron Head
- Slack Off

252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Paleo Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 133-157 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 83-99 (20.2 - 24.1%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after burn damage
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 188-222 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO after burn damage

252+ Atk Guts Naviathan Waterfall vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Stratagem: 542-642 (168.3 - 199.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Guts Naviathan Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Stratagem: 542-642 (168.3 - 199.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Alright, let it be that way. Anyways, for the Stratagem Counter:
:swsh/naviathan:
Naviathan @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Iron Head
- Slack Off

252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Paleo Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 133-157 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 83-99 (20.2 - 24.1%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after burn damage
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 125-148 (30.4 - 36%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage

252+ Atk Guts Naviathan Waterfall vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Stratagem: 542-642 (168.3 - 199.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Guts Naviathan Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Stratagem: 542-642 (168.3 - 199.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Flamethrower being there instead of Power Gem is a tad unfortunate considering this calc:
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 188-222 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO after burn damage
Forgot the mention that Flamethrower helps a bit with Cawm, Libra, Excadrill, Magearna, Kartana, yeah, flamethrower is great
 
Flamethrower being there instead of Power Gem is a tad unfortunate considering this calc:
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 188-222 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO after burn damage
Oh fudge, I will update it! Thanks for noticing.
 
I didn’t want to do this but I realized that walling Stratagem is nigh impossible otherwise

:revenankh:
Revenankh @ Leftovers
Ability: Triage
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Drain Punch
- Glare
- Toxic
- Moonlight

Enter unviable specially bulky wall
There’s this weird joke I have with my sister about calc rabbit. Who knows where it came from.

Against Revenankh:
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Revenankh: 161-190 (41.9 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Revenankh: 90-107 (23.4 - 27.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Stratagem Paleo Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Revenankh: 62-74 (16.1 - 19.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Against Stratagem:
0 Atk Triage Revenankh Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Stratagem: 240-284 (74.5 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Revenankh will always heal more than Stratagem can deal, and 2HKOes. It even has Moonlight if you mess up somehow

This should be relatively easy to counter, so let’s see some interesting Pokemon
 
Yeah, I was thinking about the fact that Stratagem was very impossible to counter.
Anyways...
:swsh/kitsunoh:
Kitsunoh @ Life Orb
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Hone Claws
- Shadow Claw
- Play Rough
- Protect

Revenankh can't hit it

252 Atk Life Orb Kitsunoh Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Revenankh: 276-328 (71.8 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Kitsunoh Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Revenankh: 237-281 (61.7 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
The reason why this is a counter is that if you click Shadow Claw and Revenankh goes for Moonlight, it will possibly not have enough HP to recover, thus giving Kitsunoh the win here
 

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Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 72 Def / 188 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower

252 Atk Life Orb Kitsunoh Shadow Claw vs. 248 HP / 72+ Def Celesteela: 105-125 (26.4 - 31.4%) -- 17.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Kitsunoh Shadow Claw vs. 248 HP / 72+ Def Celesteela: 156-185 (39.2 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Celesteela Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kitsunoh: 166-196 (54.9 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
:swsh/cyclohm:
Cyclohm @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Static
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Thunder
- Protect
- Slack Off
0 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cyclohm: 57-67 (15.9 - 18.7%) -- possible 6HKO
0 SpA Celesteela Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cyclohm: 46-54 (12.8 - 15%) -- possible 7HKO

252+ SpA Cyclohm Discharge vs. 248 HP / 188 SpD Celesteela: 216-254 (54.4 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Cyclohm Thunder vs. 248 HP / 188 SpD Celesteela: 296-350 (74.5 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Cyclohm chips damage from Celesteela, and in case of Seed or other things, we use Slack Off. Static just to prevent it from getting a KO on Cyclohm.
 

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Garchomp @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Scale Shot

I think we don't need any calcs here.
 
:ss/tapu-bulu:
Tapu Bulu @ Life Orb
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wood Hammer / Horn Leech
- High Horsepower
- Stone Edge
- Megahorn

252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu in Grassy Terrain: 47-56 (16.7 - 19.9%) -- possible 7HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu: 126-149 (44.8 - 53%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

252 Atk Life Orb Tapu Bulu Horn Leech vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp in Grassy Terrain: 218-257 (61 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp in Grassy Terrain: 347-409 (97.1 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Please tell me if Wood Hammer doesn't work
 
Holla holla get dollar, hahaha!

:swsh/cawmodore:
Cawmodore @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Detect
- Drill Peck
- Knock Off

252 Atk Life Orb Tapu Bulu Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Cawmodore: 95-112 (39.2 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
INTIMIDATE: -1 252 Atk Life Orb Tapu Bulu Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Cawmodore: 62-74 (25.6 - 30.5%) -- 1.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
INTIMIDATE + KNOCK OFF: -1 252 Atk Tapu Bulu Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Cawmodore: 48-57 (19.8 - 23.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Tapu Bulu Megahorn vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Cawmodore: 27-32 (11.1 - 13.2%) -- possibly the worst move ever (not displaying those calcs)

252+ Atk Cawmodore Drill Peck vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu: 204-240 (72.5 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery (knock off 9HKOs but we only need to do it once)
BELLY DRUM: +6 252+ Atk Cawmodore Drill Peck vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu: 804-948 (286.1 - 337.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO (idk if it's +4 or +6)

We use knock off to make the Tapu Bulu lose its item, then we just Belly Drum and then Drill Peck. We are one point off from outspeeding bulu though :(
 

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Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast

252+ Atk Cawmodore Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus-Therian: 123-145 (41.1 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Cawmodore Drill Peck vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus-Therian: 76-90 (25.4 - 30.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cawmodore: 408-480 (168.5 - 198.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Thundurus outspeeds Cawm so that Cawm can't attack it if it use Belly Drum.
 
:ss/golurk:
Golurk @ Lum Berry
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 164 Atk / 92 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Earthquake
- Dynamic Punch
- Poltergeist

+4 252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 92 SpD Golurk: 90-106 (28.2 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

164+ Atk Golurk Poltergeist (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus-Therian: 238-282 (79.5 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 

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:ss/mandibuzz:
Mandibuzz (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Impish Nature
- Foul Play
- Roost
- Defog
- U-turn

164+ Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Golurk: 372-440 (116.6 - 137.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

164+ Atk Golurk Dynamic Punch vs. 248 HP / 196+ Def Mandibuzz: 79-94 (18.6 - 22.2%) -- possible 5HKO

Mandibuzz eats Golurk's STABs and doesn't mind Dynamic Punch much at all, and this Mandi OHKOs in return with Foul Play, making it a very effective counter barring any extreme confusion hax.
 
:dp/Clefable:

Clefable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Moonblast
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Soft-Boiled

0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 45-53 (11.4 - 13.4%) -- possible 8HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 44 SpD Mandibuzz: 354-421 (83.6 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Clefable go brrrrr
 
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Heatran @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Toxic

252+ SpA Life Orb Clefable Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 108-127 (33.4 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Life Orb Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 408-484 (103.5 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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:swsh/pelipper:
Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Surf
- Defog
- Substitute
252 SpA Life Orb Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Pelipper: 83-99 (31.8 - 37.9%) -- 92.3% chance to 3HKO after toxic damage
252 SpA Life Orb Heatran Magma Storm vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Pelipper in Rain: 52-62 (19.9 - 23.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after toxic damage and trapping damage

252+ SpA Pelipper Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran in Rain: 452-534 (139.9 - 165.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Pelipper Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran in Rain: 372-440 (115.1 - 136.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
At worst Heatran just 4HKOs. Meanwhile Pelipper OHKOs, enough to set up a sub and defog. 252 SpD Just to live to this thing.
 

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Plasmanta @ Life Orb
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Wave
- Aura Sphere
- Magnet Rise

Yeah
 
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Azelf @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psyshock
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Dazzling Gleam

Note that Plasmanta will always use Magnet Rise on the known switch fearing a x4 ground move.

Azelf:
252+ SpA Azelf Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Plasmanta: 240-284 (91.9 - 108.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Plasmanta:
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 172-203 (59.1 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 181-214 (62.1 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 51-60 (17.5 - 20.6%) -- possible 5HKO

Since Plasmanta uses Magnet Rise on the switch, and Azelf outspeeds the Plasmanta (by 1 speed stat), and either OHKO Plasmanta on the first turn, or tank a hit from Plasmanta and then OHKO it.
 

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Azelf @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psyshock
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Dazzling Gleam

Note that Plasmanta will always use Magnet Rise on the known switch fearing a x4 ground move.

Azelf:
252+ SpA Azelf Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Plasmanta: 240-284 (91.9 - 108.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Plasmanta:
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 172-203 (59.1 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 181-214 (62.1 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 51-60 (17.5 - 20.6%) -- possible 5HKO

Since Plasmanta uses Magnet Rise on the switch, and Azelf outspeeds the Plasmanta (by 1 speed stat), and either OHKO Plasmanta on the first turn, or tank a hit from Plasmanta and then OHKO it.
Perfect prediction implies that the Pokémon will always do the best move against you. Here, it means that Plasm will attack Azelf in the switch with Thunderbolt or Sludge Wave (because they 2HKO it). Yet the LO damage just secures an OHKO on Plasmanta, so Azelf wins.
 
:swsh/rotom-heat:
Rotom-Heat @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Toxic
- Overheat
- Protect

252+ SpA Azelf Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Heat: 106-126 (43.9 - 52.2%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO
Everything else is a possible 6HKO. Ask the calcs.

4+ SpA Life Orb Rotom-Heat Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 153-182 (52.5 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4+ SpA Life Orb Rotom-Heat Overheat over 2 turns vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azelf: 281-330 (96.5 - 113.4%) -- 75% chance to 2HKO

You're probably wondering about this set a bit and why I gave it 252 in Defense. This is so Rotom-Heat doesn't die to Azelf too early, and noting of its movepool I decided to take this approach.
 
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